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Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

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    #842
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,938 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Maybe you should actually try reading....So it seems you can have a semiautomatic hunting/sport rifle in different calibers

    Where does it say that?


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    #843
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Sorry folks. I went a bit too far. I need to be more vague like you are. Nobody here supports the shooter, but did he do anything wrong?

    Did he do anything wrong ?
    Are you serious? , has anyone even remotely hinted that they think what he did wasn't a vile vile cowardly act!

    F*ck him, and f*ck his manifesto - and f*ck people still watching the video and fb hosting it - it's what the c*nt wants!

    I am surprised I need to be clear on my stance here.

    That doesn't mean I agree with some media outlets blaming all white Australians or broadcasting the call to prayer in an otherwise secular country.


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    #844
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    He shot men women and children at point blank range. Do you think he did anything wrong?

    I do. I’m not the one trying to talk about any other killing. I’m not the one defending websites that promote the shooters ideology.


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    #845
    [Deleted User]
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    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    I do. I’m not the one trying to talk about any other killing. I’m not the one defending websites that promote the shooters ideology.

    :rolleyes:


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    #846
    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭1641


    Its a riled up world :

    https://news.sky.com/story/birmingham-mosques-attacked-with-sledgehammers-11671537


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    #847
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Did he do anything wrong ?
    Are you serious? , has anyone even remotely hinted that they think what he did wasn't a vile vile cowardly act!

    F*ck him, and f*ck his manifesto - and f*ck people still watching the video and fb hosting it - it's what the c*nt wants!

    I am surprised I need to be clear on my stance here.

    That doesn't mean I agree with some media outlets blaming all white Australians or broadcasting the call to prayer in an otherwise secular country.

    To be fair. If the same thing happened here, and it turned out to be you. I wouldn’t be surprised. You repeat the same stuff. Complaining about Muslims is your entire personality.

    I’m not saying you would do it, but you definitely interact with someone who would and should probably have an eye kept on.


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    #848
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Sardonicat wrote: »
    He shot men women and children at point blank range. Do you think he did anything wrong?

    I do. I’m not the one trying to talk about any other killing. I’m not the one defending websites that promote the shooters ideology.
    Perhaps you should be clear as to who you are addressing your posts to.


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    #849
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Wibbs wrote: »
    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Sorry folks. I went a bit too far. I need to be more vague like you are. Nobody here supports the shooter, but did he do anything wrong?
    Keep digging...
    Ah W. I believe he's referencing the large cohort of numpties that gurgle out tropes on this very forum that can found in that manifesto.


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    #850
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,641 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Sorry folks. I went a bit too far. I need to be more vague like you are. Nobody here supports the shooter, but did he do anything wrong?

    God but your really jerking yourself off now.


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    #851
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Perhaps you should be clear as to who you are addressing your posts to.

    They know themselves. They get overly defensive when you skip past their bull****.


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    #852
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Ah W. I believe he's referencing the large cohort of numpties that gurgle out tropes on this very forum that can found in that manifesto.

    Bingo!

    Nothing from his manifesto was new, I’ve heard it all here before from the same people.


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    #853
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Perhaps you should be clear as to who you are addressing your posts to.

    They know themselves. They get overly defensive when you skip past their bull****.
    "They" might.


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    #854
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Boggles wrote: »
    Where does it say that?

    What semi-automatic firearms are affected by today’s changes?

    Two types of firearms are now defined as MSSAs:

    A semi-automatic firearm capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges
    A semi-automatic shotgun capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges.

    Semi-automatic .22 calibre rimfire firearms with a magazine which holds no more than 10 rounds
    Semi-automatic and pump action shotguns with a non-detachable tubular magazine which holds no more than five rounds

    No mention of caliber restrictions. So a semiautomatic firearm chambered for say .308 with a five round magazine is still legal. A lever action chambered for the same round doesn't get a mention. Ditto for bolt action. No mention of pump or lever action firearms other than shotguns. It's all focused on one type because "semiautomatic" are the "dangerous" weapons. Clueless.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #855
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    I do. I’m not the one trying to talk about any other killing. I’m not the one defending websites that promote the shooters ideology.

    Who did this and what website ?
    Can you link me and ill see if I have a different interpretation ...


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    #856
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    To be fair. If the same thing happened here, and it turned out to be you. I wouldn’t be surprised. You repeat the same stuff. Complaining about Muslims is your entire personality.

    I’m not saying you would do it, but you definitely interact with someone who would and should probably have an eye kept on.
    Holy fucking christ, you've a neck as hard as a jockey's bollocks to make such a shabby accusation and character assignation like that.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #857
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Who did this and what website ?
    Can you link me and ill see if I have a different interpretation ...


    Zorya I think. Might have mixed up the names. They were talking about Nigeria.

    Breitbart. I’m sure it’s just a normal center website to you. All the comments are from people who are just concerned about mass immigration.


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    #858
    [Deleted User]
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    They are classifying as MSSA any semi-auto rifle capable of being used with a detachable >5 round magazine. (except .22 or smaller rimfire)

    And similarly any semi-auto shotgun capable of being used with a detachable >5 round magazine.

    Because of the term capable, my interpretation is that almost anything large calibre usable with a detachable magazine is now banned. Only old-fashioned semi-auto rifles with integral tube magazines (5 rounds or less) are still allowed.

    https://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms-and-safety/changes-firearms
    (link to actual order here)


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    #859
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I find that it would be foolish to take any news source as gospel these days. Breitbart have an agenda, in much the same way as any other news agency. The BBC, CNN, Fox et al are all different cheeks of the same ****ty arse.

    Just because Breitbard lean a different way than you lean, doesn't make them pond scum. CNN, MSNBC and other outlets that would be more along your way of thinking are equally egregious when it comes to unbiased reporting

    I think it may be me he was talking about. This apparently is "defending" Breitbart.


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    #860
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,938 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Wibbs wrote: »
    What semi-automatic firearms are affected by today’s changes?

    Two types of firearms are now defined as MSSAs:

    A semi-automatic firearm capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges
    A semi-automatic shotgun capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges.

    Semi-automatic .22 calibre rimfire firearms with a magazine which holds no more than 10 rounds
    Semi-automatic and pump action shotguns with a non-detachable tubular magazine which holds no more than five rounds

    No mention of caliber restrictions. So a semiautomatic firearm chambered for say .308 with a five round magazine is still legal. A lever action chambered for the same round doesn't get a mention. Ditto for bolt action. No mention of pump or lever action firearms other than shotguns. It's all focused on one type because "semiautomatic" are the "dangerous" weapons. Clueless.

    From what I read it states all semi automatic rifles are now banned.

    Backed up my the PM.
    "Six days after this attack, we are announcing a ban on all military style semi-automatics (MSSA) and assault rifles in New Zealand,"...Related parts used to convert these guns into MSSAs are also being banned, along with all high-capacity magazines


    Apart from

    Semi-automatic .22 calibre rimfire firearms with a magazine which holds no more than 10 rounds

    The legislation hasn't been published AFAIK, but it would seem this is not an optics exercise.


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    #861
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Zorya I think. Might have mixed up the names. They were talking about Nigeria.

    Breitbart. I’m sure it’s just a normal center website to you. All the comments are from people who are just concerned about mass immigration.

    Just to be CRYSTAL CLEAR - I have NEVER gone to Breitbart website, ever. I saw the story on the Christian Post, or something with that kind of name. Mad Christians.


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    #862
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Who did this and what website ?
    Can you link me and ill see if I have a different interpretation ...


    Zorya I think. Might have mixed up the names. They were talking about Nigeria.

    Breitbart. I’m sure it’s just a normal center website to you. All the comments are from people who are just concerned about mass immigration.
    Zorya? ! Go back and read her post.


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    #863
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,641 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Holy fucking christ, you've a neck as hard as a jockey's bollocks to make such a shabby accusation and character assignation like that.

    The main thing for Baby Cheeses is that he is having lots of fun on boards.ie off the back of all the murder.


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    #864
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,938 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They are classifying as MSSA any semi-auto rifle capable of being used with a detachable >5 round magazine. (except .22 or smaller rimfire)

    And similarly any semi-auto shotgun capable of being used with a detachable >5 round magazine.

    Because of the term capable, my interpretation is that almost anything large calibre usable with a detachable magazine is now banned. Only old-fashioned semi-auto rifles with integral tube magazines (5 rounds or less) are still allowed.

    https://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms-and-safety/changes-firearms
    (link to actual order here)
    Certain semi-automatic firearms declared to be military style semi-automatic firearms
    For the purposes of the Arms Act 1983, the following firearms are declared to be military style semi-automatic firearms:
    (a)
    a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or less rimfire cartridges) that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges:
    (b)
    a semi-automatic firearm that is a shotgun and that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges.

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2019/0055/latest/LMS173647.html?search=ts_act%40bill%40regulation%40deemedreg_arms+order_resel_25_a&p=1


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    #865
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Zorya I think. Might have mixed up the names. They were talking about Nigeria.

    Breitbart. I’m sure it’s just a normal center website to you. All the comments are from people who are just concerned about mass immigration.

    Still sniping even after I made my position clear.

    I don't trust Breitbart, they would be too far to the right - even for an evil nazi like me ... :rolleyes:


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    #866
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    To be fair. If the same thing happened here, and it turned out to be you. I wouldn’t be surprised. You repeat the same stuff. Complaining about Muslims is your entire personality.

    I’m not saying you would do it, but you definitely interact with someone who would and should probably have an eye kept on..

    Wow!

    Just.
    F*cking W0W!!


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    #867
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,938 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Zorya wrote: »
    I saw the story on the Christian Post

    Oh yeah, that bastion of sanity.

    :)


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    #868
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,641 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Still sniping even after I made my position clear.

    I don't trust Breitbart, they would be too far to the right - even for an evil nazi like me ... :rolleyes:

    Amusingly, Baby Cheeses for all his everyone is a Nazi views has views on Jews that often veer in to outright antisemitism.


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    #869
    [Deleted User]
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Oh yeah, that bastion of sanity.

    :)

    In fairness, going to a Christian website to read about murders of christians isn't really a strange thing to do.


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    #870
    ArrBee
    Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭ArrBee


    tuxy wrote: »
    No, there is only one place that he could go legally and that is extradition to Australia. Massive headache legally and would make New Zealand look bad for not taking care of its responsibility. I don't know if Australia could punish him for a crime that happened elsewhere.
    He would be safe in solitary, the chances of staff causing him harm would be very slim.


    interestingly, Australia has made a show of sending "bad New Zealanders" back to NZ in recent years.
    Any reciprocal action by NZ could be based on the same "understanding". :)


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    #871
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Perhaps you should be clear as to who you are addressing your posts to.

    Wow!

    Just.
    F*cking W0W!!
    Excuse me?


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