Madeleine McCann

cnocbui · 20-03-2019 05:46PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Does it matter as Gerry and Kate refused to take part, that's well documented.

The Police could have staged a reconstruction while they were still in Portugal, but they didn't, they waited until almost a year later before suggesting one. Can you link to the McCann's refusal - All I have found is that negotiation with the Tapas 7 broke down?

Portuguese asked the group to return to the scene to run through their movements on the night of May 3, 2007.

But negotiations with the witnesses allegedly stalled because of disagreements over how it would be managed by investigators.

The reconstruction had been planned for May 2008, six months after Kate and Gerry had been declared arguidos, or official suspects.

Plumbthedepths · 20-03-2019 05:50PM

Daily Mail 28 th May 2008, I can't link off my phone. The McCanns refused to take part according to the report carried by the paper, stating what was the value over a year after the event. They then took part in a reconstruction in 2013, 6 years after the event.....

micks_address · 20-03-2019 05:54PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

cnocbui wrote:

When did the PJ first request or suggest a reconstruction?

Does it matter as Gerry and Kate refused to take part, that's well documented.

According to documentary they were memos saying they would make themselves available for reconstruction

yourdeadwright · 20-03-2019 06:00PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

To clear up about the dogs,

The dogs react to cadavers just because they are then not found by testing does not mean they where not there,

Dogs can react to smells that can not be tested ,

That's why they are used for finding drugs and other things, there noses are ahead of technology but because there is no technology to confirm it , it can not be used in the law ,

No one is ever convicted on the dog barks they are just used to lead the Police to where to look . sometimes the test are negative sometimes they are positive,

I think the McCanns reaction to the dogs tells the story its self, I'd want to know what the hell they where smelling, It could help with finding Maddy they just wanted the dogs dismissed ,

weldoninhio · 20-03-2019 06:51PM

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cnocbui wrote: »

Have you watched the videos of the dogs? They go right past the car and Grimes has to signal to them which is the right car to bark at.

Absolutely laughable. An English dog handler, recommended by Scotland Yard, who has worked extensively with police forces around the world, risked his entire career and credibility to frame the McCanns, even though EVEN HE didn’t know who owned what car??

That’s up there with aliens and a hitman on the conspiracy scale.

weldoninhio · 20-03-2019 06:53PM

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cnocbui wrote: »

Have you watched the videos of the dogs? They go right past the car and Grimes has to signal to them which is the right car to bark at.

Absolutely laughable. An English dog handler, recommended by Scotland Yard, who has worked extensively with police forces around the world, risked his entire career and credibility to frame the McCanns, even though EVEN HE didn’t know who owned what car??

That’s up there with aliens and a hitman on the conspiracy scale.

weldoninhio · 20-03-2019 06:59PM

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Boom_Bap wrote: »

all the cars were put in an underground car park well spaced out from each other. The dog just indicated on the McCann's rental.

But, the suspicious thing is that the handler, who normally stands back waiting for a bark, approached the car and tapped on it.

Not sure about the apartments.

The handler who stated quite clearly that he runs his finger along where he wants the blood dog to sniff normally stands back?? How long are his fingers??

gozunda · 20-03-2019 08:22PM

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weldoninhio wrote: »

Absolutely laughable. An English dog handler, recommended by Scotland Yard, who has worked extensively with police forces around the world, risked his entire career and credibility to frame the McCanns, even though EVEN HE didn’t know who owned what car??

That’s up there with aliens and a hitman on the conspiracy scale.

I posted this previously but I reckon it remains relevant regarding the cadaver and blood detection dogs

In his book Gonçalo Amaral details that in July following Madelines disappearance and working in conjunction with the British police

We officially request the help of the best experts in criminology and forensics but also the specialist dog team from the English police. A few days later, we welcome Mark Harrison, a specialist in murder, and the search for missing persons and victims of natural disasters. National advisor to the British police, he is well known for his exceptional professional experience. He has already participated in dozens of international criminal investigations.

.Harrison also suggests that we use the skills of two totally remarkable dogs: the first an EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog), achieves outstanding performance in the detection of human cadaver odour; the second, a CSI dog (Crime Scene Investigation) is capable of smelling the tiniest trace of blood, knowing how to recognise its human origin.

To convince us of their capability and the extraordinary work carried out by these very special detectives in the course of over 200 investigations, he screens a video for us, showing their training and their intervention on the ground.

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/2009/06/chapter-16.html?m=1

I find it curious that there are small number of highly vociferous critics of the dogs considering that the dogs job was to detect specific indicators whether the child had been hurt or died close to where she disappeared regardless whether the perpetrator was a stranger or otherwise.

It appears almost that the use of these dogs is somehow an insult to the parents. I really dont get that...

Plumbthedepths · 20-03-2019 08:32PM

gozunda wrote:

It appears almost that the use of these dogs is somehow an insult to the parents. I really dont get that...

It's the same as saying Martin Smith claims he saw G McCann around 10pm on the 3rd May, it gets a sneering response. Not sure why.

dark crystal · 20-03-2019 08:50PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's the same as saying Martin Smith claims he saw G McCann around 10pm on the 3rd May, it gets a sneering response. Not sure why.

It's been explained why numerous times, as you well know.

Wombatman · 20-03-2019 08:58PM

Maybe Smith recognised Gerry's horrendous 3/4 length shorts.

Plumbthedepths · 20-03-2019 09:05PM

dark crystal wrote:

It's been explained why numerous times, as you well know.

So you believe Smith is wrong as is his family. Do you believe J Tanner is more credible?

dark crystal · 20-03-2019 09:17PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you believe Smith is wrong as is his family. Do you believe J Tanner is more credible?

This is the last time I'll point out the obvious - Gerry McCann was at the Ocean Club at 10pm, as witnessed by various independent witnesses. The Smith sighting was at 10pm. Can you see the problem there?

Now, you say do I believe Smith is wrong? Yes. For the reason mention above. Again.

His family never declared that they believed the man to be Gerry McCann.

What Jane Tanner sighting are you referring to?

SteM · 20-03-2019 09:18PM

Read the Smith statement. Its as generic as they come. He passed a person, the description he gave could match hundreds of men in the lacal area. The person walked normally and didn't look like a tourist according to Smith. The lighting was poor. He wouldn't recognise the individual in a photograph.

Yet 5 months later he would recognise McCann as he walked down a flight of stairs from a plane. It'd be funny if the circumstances weren't so tragic.

Calltocall · 20-03-2019 09:20PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's the same as saying Martin Smith claims he saw G McCann around 10pm on the 3rd May, it gets a sneering response. Not sure why.

It’s not that it’s sneered at but one has to look at it objectively and remove feelings of wanting it to be g McCann, 3 family members initially (and this is the key identification as there was no possible bias involved it was a straight up I saw this man and this is what he looked like) id the man as being 5 7 to 5 9 that’s quite a different height to Gerry who is 6 1, also Months later the man ids him now as 80% Gerry but in between this time mccann is now named as a suspect, planting seeds of doubt entirely on g & k mccann that can have an unintended influence, also why then later if you are 80% sure it was g McCann would you sit down with investigators hired by the very g mccann to draw up a photofit and the e fit produces two faces that look completely different, to me it shows the man wasn’t sure and it could be this guy or that guy, I don’t think there was any intentful deceit there just it’s very difficult to get a definite description of someones face just passing on a darkened street hence the changes in height and different faces in the e fits, there’s not enough in it to say yes that was g mccann.

I obviously cannot say for certain that it wasn’t g mccann and I accept that it’s possible albeit very unlikely it was him given the timeline but I would be far surer that the little girl was indeed Madeleine Mccann and that points to abduction as this individual whoever he was has never ever come forward.

limnam · 20-03-2019 10:09PM

dark crystal wrote: »

He wasn't a known paedophile until 2016, so let's not paint the picture you're attempting to paint there. The McCann's weren't psychic.

They publicly denounced him when the allegations were public.

What's that got to do with her coming across happy the dogs couldn't be used in evidence?

dark crystal · 20-03-2019 10:11PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

What's that got to do with her coming across happy the dogs couldn't be used in evidence?

Ah here, stop will ya?

You know very well what part of your comment I was referring to.

limnam · 20-03-2019 10:22PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Have you watched the videos of the dogs? They go right past the car and Grimes has to signal to them which is the right car to bark at.

One of the most successful dog trainers in the _world_ now hired by the FBI on camera made the dogs bark to frame the McCanns?

HeeHee.

You're not serious?

limnam · 20-03-2019 10:23PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Ah here, stop will ya?

You know very well what part of your comment I was referring to.

Yes, you ignored the important part as usual.

limnam · 20-03-2019 10:25PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Absolutely laughable. An English dog handler, recommended by Scotland Yard, who has worked extensively with police forces around the world, risked his entire career and credibility to frame the McCanns, even though EVEN HE didn’t know who owned what car??

That’s up there with aliens and a hitman on the conspiracy scale.

You couldn't make it up.

yourdeadwright · 20-03-2019 10:27PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

The Kenedy fella and his son are jokers , Also his son looks rough as fu×k
The two of them thought they where James Bond amd getting rinsed of there money by the private investagtor , hes so good he lets the son tag along, give over you jokers

dark crystal · 20-03-2019 10:29PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Yes, you ignored the important part as usual.

Happy Kate, no dog evidence Vs drinking Brandy with 'known' Paedophiles....

It's hard to know just what's more important between those two brilliant nuggets of information, but sure you judge limnam, I'm always ignoring the important parts!

SteM · 20-03-2019 10:30PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The Kenedy fella and his son are jokers , Also his son looks rough as fu×k
The two of them thought they where James Bond amd getting rinsed of there money by the private investagtor , hes so good he lets the son tag along, give over you jokers

Yeah, thought the young lad came across as a twat. Playing at being a private investigator.

limnam · 20-03-2019 10:35PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Happy Kate, no dog evidence Vs drinking Brandy with 'known' Paedophiles....

It's hard to know just what's more important between those two brilliant nuggets of information, but sure you judge limnam, I'm always ignoring the important parts!

Your daughters missing.
One of the best dog trainers in the world is on your case.
Your happy that the fact the dogs wouldn't be able to be used in court.

Why.

You go on to discredit the dog trainer.

Why.

Why oh why oh why is there so much wrong with them.

Why.

TallGlass · 20-03-2019 10:37PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

If Maddie was abducted, why did they take her and not the twins or why not all three?

Another thought after another episode was, did the police rule out all the hotel staff/people who interacted with the kids? What if the kids where drugged, prior to been released to the parents. In saying that it occurred to me that at least one of the parents would have been concerned.

dark crystal · 20-03-2019 10:39PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TallGlass wrote: »

If Maddie was abducted, why did they take her and not the twins or why not all three?

Easier to carry one child than three would be the simplest answer.

TallGlass · 20-03-2019 10:45PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

Easier to carry one child than three would be the simplest answer.

True, I know it's not a nice thing to say and very dark, however are the twins not considered more valuable to what ever sicko would be paying.

I still however think the Police where always seeming playing catch up with events or always on the back foot of how things where progressing. I don't blame them, they looked awfully under resourced and this awful incident grew bigger and bigger and the pressure grew on them.

I didn't fancy having the argument on mobile yesterday, I don't expect the entire place to be put on lock down for some drunk person, but however you would expect a bit of a more systematic approach on a missing three year old child due to a possible abduction. I do hope, that systems are in place now in all jurisdictions for missing children.

dark crystal · 20-03-2019 10:47PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Your daughters missing.
One of the best dog trainers in the world is on your case.
Your happy that the fact the dogs wouldn't be able to be used in court.

Why.

You go on to discredit the dog trainer.

Why.

Why oh why oh why is there so much wrong with them.

Why.

Where did I do that now?

limnam · 20-03-2019 10:47PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Where did I do that now?

Not you.

The McCanns.

dark crystal · 20-03-2019 10:50PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Not you.

The McCanns.

Ah, apologies. I misunderstood.

Madeleine McCann

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