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Madeleine McCann

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  • #3482
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No pain or punishment is worse than losing a child.

    If the child is gone and not coming back (and they know it because they witnessed it) think it's understandable that they could attempt a cover-up to not lose their remaining children, jobs and lifestyle.

    Why rot in prison if they don't have to?


  • #3483
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭micks_address


    scamalert wrote: »
    where in documentary or which episode was it even mentioned the email you speak of ?


    was it acted on to check the places it originated and was sent to as well ? seems pretty big thing to miss.

    Can't remember the episode.. I binge watched it . Probably episode 5 or 6 when Scotland yard got involved

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/8668285/madeleine-mccann-documentary-claims-toddler-was-snatched-to-order-and-sold-to-a-vile-belgian-paedophile-ring/amp/


  • #3484
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    If the child is gone and not coming back I think it's understandable that they could attempt a cover-up to not lose their remaining children, jobs and lifestyle.

    Why rot in prison if they don't have to?

    That would involve them being methodical, calculated organized criminals which isn’t the impression I get from them.


  • #3485
    mazwell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 150 ✭✭mazwell


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    mazwell wrote: »
    What's this D notice you keep mentioning

    According to Google they are used for items of national security. I just can't see how national security would apply in this case in any way


  • #3486
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    scamalert wrote: »
    where in documentary or which episode was it even mentioned the email you speak of ?


    was it acted on to check the places it originated and was sent to as well ? seems pretty big thing to miss.

    I think it was around episode 5 or so. They looked into it as a line of enquiry but couldn’t trace the gang involved.
    It’s scary to think emails like that even get sent, regardless of whether it’s to do with Madeleine or not.


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  • #3487
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    SusieBlue wrote:
    You can be a warm, loving person, and make a stupid choice. Why is that so hard to understand?


    If the 3rd of May was just one stupid choice you might get understanding but it was one of several stupid choices as you put it.


  • #3488
    Sunflower 27
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    That would involve them being methodical, calculated organized criminals which isn’t the impression I get from them.

    Not at all. Saving themselves from prison doesn't necessarily make them any of those things.


  • #3489
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    There have been lots of children lost and missing over the last eleven years.

    But in my experience none like Madeleine Mc Cann at all. She and her family had every support from Government, UK police, Ambassadors, PR people like Clarence Mitchell, and a humungous fund provided by ordinary donations. And many more too.

    They have also been protected, and have been able through donations to have enough mula to take actions against anyone who speaks anything against them.

    They have lost a few, but have won some also.

    The child seems to have been forgotten in the frenzy of protection and law suits though. Wonder who they are trying to protect.

    Unique case because of the supports they have from the UK Establishment and funds too.

    Hope they have invested the spoils of all these court cases wisely now. Sorry cannot help but be cynical.

    It is not like an ordinary family at all really IMV regarding the publicity and funds and supports is it?


  • #3490
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If the 3rd of May was just one stupid choice you might get understanding but it was one of several stupid choices as you put it.

    Ok I’ll reword, even though this has been done to death a hundred times, and no one disputed leaving the kids alone was a bad call, so this is purely for your benefit.

    ‘You can be a warm, loving person and still make the stupid choice to leave your children alone in bed while having dinner. ‘

    Is that better?


  • #3491
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The uniqueness of her eye would never escape the notice of those around her given the publicity it attracted.

    The publicity that her parents attracted to it, after being warned against it.


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  • #3492
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    SusieBlue wrote:
    Ok I’ll reword, even though this has been done to death a hundred times, and no one disputed leaving the kids alone was a bad call, so this is purely for your benefit.


    My point was they were left alone on multiple occasions, the 3rd of May was not an isolated event and they were just unlucky.


  • #3493
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Ok I’ll reword, even though this has been done to death a hundred times, and no one disputed leaving the kids alone was a bad call, so this is purely for your benefit.

    ‘You can be a warm, loving person and still make the stupid choice to leave your children alone in bed while having dinner. ‘

    Is that better?

    Bad call. It was absolutely outrageous.

    Didn't Madeleine cry the night before on waking and her parents not being there? This was a repeated act of blatant neglect.


  • #3494
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Decidedly odd reply to that question . Most people would attempt some answer no matter how inane.

    And surely mention of “that night” wouldn’t elicit a gurning smile and the hard sell.


  • #3495
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭micks_address


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Ok I’ll reword, even though this has been done to death a hundred times, and no one disputed leaving the kids alone was a bad call, so this is purely for your benefit.

    ‘You can be a warm, loving person and still make the stupid choice to leave your children alone in bed while having dinner. ‘

    Is that better?

    Is it worse than getting very drunk with kids asleep in the same house? Something goes wrong and your unable to drive or take care of them?


  • #3496
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    My point was they were left alone on multiple occasions, the 3rd of May was not an isolated event and they were just unlucky.

    Yes, they were left alone every evening while the parents went for dinner. This was a bad choice and a stupid thing to do.
    No one is refuting that, least of all me, yet you are still picking my post apart.


  • #3497
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    Bad call. It was absolutely outrageous.

    Didn't Madeleine cry the night before on waking and her parents not being there? This was a repeated act of blatant neglect.

    In the documentary yes they say she asked why they didn't come when she cried out the previous night


  • #3498
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    Bad call. It was absolutely outrageous.

    Didn't Madeleine cry the night before on waking and her parents not being there? This was a repeated act of blatant neglect.

    Yes it was a very bad choice. Awful. A terrible decision they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

    No one is disputing that but please, let’s keep repeating it anyway. It isn’t a bit tedious or repetitive.


  • #3499
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No, I’m just basing off my personal experience of being in a relationship.
    If my partner murdered my child I wouldn’t protect them for 11 minutes, never mind 11 years.
    Add to that the media intrusion, the nasty, abhorrent comments that have been made about their family, the grief, the trauma they have gone through, I’m pretty sure if one of them was responsible the other would have cracked by now.

    I haven’t seen the Late Late show clip so can’t comment on that.

    You are one of the only posters in this entire thread pushing any kind of murder angle.


  • #3500
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    micks_address wrote: »
    Is it worse than getting very drunk with kids asleep in the same house? Something goes wrong and your unable to drive or take care of them?

    999 or 112


  • #3501
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No pain or punishment is worse than losing a child.

    What about losing 3 children? Because that’s what would have happened if it was an accidental death that they were both complicit in.


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  • #3502
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    You are one of the only posters in this entire thread pushing any kind of murder angle.

    Plenty of people here think they killed her intentionally. Only this morning people were posting that they intentionally went on that holiday to kill her because it would be less suspicious.

    Someone else said they chose Portugal so that they could easily sell her to human traffickers. I’m only repeating what others have posted.


  • #3503
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Yes it was a very bad choice. Awful. A terrible decision they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

    No one is disputing that but please, let’s keep repeating it anyway. It isn’t a bit tedious or repetitive.

    Why do you keep quoting it and minimising it as a bad call or stupid thing to do? Expect people to pull you up on it. And they do because as parents we have responsibility to look after and care for our children. Not leave them, repeatedly, to come to harm.


  • #3504
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    What about losing 3 children? Because that’s what would have happened if it was an accidental death that they were both complicit in.

    If it was an accidental death they must be criminal masterminds to come up with such an excellent cover up that got them completely off the hook, with a very limited amount of time to work with and under immense pressure and stress after the unexpected death of their child.


  • #3505
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Plenty of people here think they killed her intentionally. Only this morning people were posting that they intentionally went on that holiday to kill her because it would be less suspicious.

    Someone else said they chose Portugal so that they could easily sell her to human traffickers. I’m only repeating what others have posted.

    How many posters out of the hundreds on here have suggested these things?

    There will always be some 'out there' theories, most of us are not taking them seriously. Read and move on.


  • #3506
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Plenty of people here think they killed her intentionally. Only this morning people were posting that they intentionally went on that holiday to kill her because it would be less suspicious.

    Someone else said they chose Portugal so that they could easily sell her to human traffickers. I’m only repeating what others have posted.

    That’s one or two posters who pop in with crazy theories. If I search the thread for the word murder, I’m guessing you will be leader by a long shot.


  • #3507
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Plenty of people here think they killed her intentionally. Only this morning people were posting that they intentionally went on that holiday to kill her because it would be less suspicious.

    Someone else said they chose Portugal so that they could easily sell her to human traffickers. I’m only repeating what others have posted.

    Jesus, I know you said you are repeating, but please don't that is awful.

    Neglect is what I believe. Which led to something else. I think that the little kid woke and wandered out and something happened to her and she was disposed of.

    When it was discovered that M was missing, parents knew they had been wrong leaving them alone so the Abduction word was key. And then they had the support of the Establishment, media, funds, etc.

    And here we are.

    All theories are valid now. Since there is no evidence of any abduction at all.


  • #3508
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    Why do you keep quoting it and minimising it as a bad call or stupid thing to do? Expect people to pull you up on it. And they do because as parents we have responsibility to look after and care for our children. Not leave them, repeatedly, to come to harm.

    That’s extremely unfair and disengeneous, not once have I minimized or downplayed what they have done.

    I have said repeatedly, ad nauseum throughout the thread that they made a terrible, bad, awful decision in leaving those kids alone.
    I haven’t defended that choice once.

    So no, I don’t expect to be pulled up on it. Not least of all by someone who isn’t a mod.

    Every time I make a point someone brings up the fact that they left the kids alone as some sort of trump card as proof of their guilt.

    We can all agree that they should never have left those kids, I’m not disputing it and neither is anyone else.
    It was a stupid thing to do.
    I don’t see what repeating that fact every 10 posts does except derail the thread.


  • #3509
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Yes it was a very bad choice. Awful. A terrible decision they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

    No one is disputing that but please, let’s keep repeating it anyway. It isn’t a bit tedious or repetitive.

    At least they get to live their lives while their little girl may have endured a worse fate than death, and all because they choose their friends company over that of their duty to their tiny children.


  • #3510
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    How many posters out of the hundreds on here have suggested these things?

    There will always be some 'out there' theories, most of us are not taking them seriously. Read and move on.

    You aren’t a moderator, you are in no position to be telling me to read and move on.


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  • #3511
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    If it was an accidental death they must be criminal masterminds to come up with such an excellent cover up that got them completely off the hook, with a very limited amount of time to work with and under immense pressure and stress after the unexpected death of their child.

    You don’t have to be a criminal mastermind to cover up a murder and get away with it. How many people have disappeared/been murdered in Dublin/Wicklow without a trace in recent years, Trevor Deely, Annie McCarrick, JoJo Dullard and Rainoid Murphy all spring to mind, along with lots of others. The place must be crawling with criminal masterminds. And none of them have cracked yet.


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