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Madeleine McCann

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    #3452
    Plumbthedepths
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    Spanish Eyes wrote:
    Verging on a bit of madness here


    Not at all, I'm sure your average abductor has a host of medical specialists on call for just such eventualities.


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    #3453
    Spanish Eyes
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I think releasing the uniqueness of her eye was done in good faith but it was a bad move.

    It made her extremely identifyable, dangerously so, to the point that it made keeping her even riskier for whoever took her (if she was taken, just for you SpanishEyes).

    Ah you're alright Susie, it is just a discussion and chat. Glad you are not taking anything personally. It is all about the Mc Canns and their buddies really.

    But there appear to have been nine kids in the group. I bet none of them had jet black hair either. And each checker had to have at least four keys for every trip for the checks.

    All doors were open I think. So the targeting issue does not wash with me.

    An amazing mystery really. So it will go on.


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    #3454
    micks_address
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    All these questions seem reasonable


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-48-questions-portuguese-10253481.amp


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    #3455
    Spanish Eyes
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Not at all, I'm sure your average abductor has a host of medical specialists on call for just such eventualities.

    Like I said....:P

    And I do get the tone of your post of course!


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    #3456
    Bobeagleburger
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    Portuguese police look like ridiculous amateurs tbh.


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    #3457
    SusieBlue
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    micks_address wrote: »
    All these questions seem reasonable


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-48-questions-portuguese-10253481.amp

    They had answered all those questions several times over when they were questioned as witnesses.

    Upon instruction from their solicitor, they refused to answer them when they were asked again when they were made formal suspects.
    But they weren’t new questions, they’d all been answered before.

    Not answering didn’t hinder any line of enquiry.
    They had completely cooperated until they were made arguidos.


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    #3458
    Plumbthedepths
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    micks_address wrote:
    In time.. why would it have to be in few hours? It's a real shame the cctv footage in petrol station was erased over..would have been good to rule it.in/out


    How would they have organised the surgery without alerting the authorities?


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    #3459
    weldoninhio
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    But it wasn't a short amount of time, its been 11 years now. 11 years of one spouse allegedly protecting the other for the most horrific crime a parent could ever commit.
    Its not like they had to pretend they were sad for an hour and then went back to business as usual.
    This has been unrelentless, they are under a huge amount of pressure, from various police forces, the media, and the court of public opinion.

    And they haven't come close to cracking, not even once.
    I don't believe they could hold it together, that night or until now, if they were in any way responsible.

    How do you know they haven’t come close to cracking?? From the extremely soft, stage managed and scripted interviews they’ve done??

    I remember they were on the LLS a few years ago, shilling their book. The last question they were asked was along the lines of ‘so what do you think happened that night’. Their answer, in unison,with big smiles, was ‘You'll have to buy the book’.


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    #3460
    micks_address
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How would they have organised the surgery without alerting the authorities?

    Im talking months later.. if she ended up in the middle East or anywhere really if people had the means to get her there you don't think theyd have the resources to do a surgery?


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    #3461
    Plumbthedepths
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    weldoninhio wrote:
    I remember they were on the LLS a few years ago, shilling their book. The last question they were asked was along the lines of ‘so what do you think happened that night’. Their answer, in unison,with big smiles, was ‘You'll have to buy the book’.


    Decidedly odd reply to that question . Most people would attempt some answer no matter how inane.


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    #3462
    weldoninhio
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You were the one that took this totally off topic by making unfounded, inaccurate and baseless claims about British parenting.
    You were completely incorrect in those claims and you clearly have no knowledge about how things are done over there.

    Kate and Gerry were not stone cold people, they were warm, loving parents.
    They were stupid to leave their children alone.
    That doesn't mean they had a cold attitude towards their children.
    This whole beating them down thing is getting really boring, no one is refuting that what they did was awful yet you feel the need to work it into every point you make as if its some sort of trump card.
    It isn't. We all know and accept that what they did was wrong.

    Warm and loving parents don’t abandon 2 of their children in a foreign country, after their eldest goes missing, to visit the Vatican as part of a press tour.


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    #3463
    Spanish Eyes
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    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    Portuguese police look like ridiculous amateurs tbh.

    They were portrayed as such by Clarence Mitchell and the Red Tops, and everyone from the Establishment as such. Brittania rules the waves.

    Easy to do for the masses who would lap that kind of propaganda up reading the Sun or whatever.


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    #3464
    micks_address
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    How do you know they haven’t come close to cracking?? From the extremely soft, stage managed and scripted interviews they’ve done??

    I remember they were on the LLS a few years ago, shilling their book. The last question they were asked was along the lines of ‘so what do you think happened that night’. Their answer, in unison,with big smiles, was ‘You'll have to buy the book’.

    Not comparing but Ted Bundy didn't confess till couple of days before his execution... Timing is irellevant


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    #3465
    Plumbthedepths
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    micks_address wrote:
    Im talking months later.. if she ended up in the middle East or anywhere really if people had the means to get her there you don't think theyd have the resources to do a surgery?


    You realise her image had gone worldwide within a few days and that particular characteristic was highlighted by every media source. One of the reasons why I find abduction and her still being alive as not credible.


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    #3466
    Bobeagleburger
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    They were portrayed as such by Clarence Mitchell and the Red Tops, and everyone from the Establishment as such. Brittania rules the waves.

    Easy to do for the masses who would lap that kind of propaganda up reading the Sun or whatever.

    I think it's more to do with pushing blame with no clear evidence.


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    #3467
    micks_address
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    I think it's telling the Portuguese news report sandra felguiras told how disgusted she had been by the leaks she had been given of the early lab tests and how she knew immediately the police had acted in bad faith


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    #3468
    Spanish Eyes
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Decidedly odd reply to that question . Most people would attempt some answer no matter how inane.

    They know well what happened. Have been protected from the get go.

    Sadly there are many parents out there whose children are missing and have not had such supports from Government and media and so on.

    Anyway D notice is on this IMO, indefinitely I think.


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    #3469
    SusieBlue
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    How do you know they haven’t come close to cracking?? From the extremely soft, stage managed and scripted interviews they’ve done??

    I remember they were on the LLS a few years ago, shilling their book. The last question they were asked was along the lines of ‘so what do you think happened that night’. Their answer, in unison,with big smiles, was ‘You'll have to buy the book’.

    No, I’m just basing off my personal experience of being in a relationship.
    If my partner murdered my child I wouldn’t protect them for 11 minutes, never mind 11 years.
    Add to that the media intrusion, the nasty, abhorrent comments that have been made about their family, the grief, the trauma they have gone through, I’m pretty sure if one of them was responsible the other would have cracked by now.

    I haven’t seen the Late Late show clip so can’t comment on that.


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    #3470
    mazwell
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »

    Anyway D notice is on this IMO, indefinitely I think.

    What's this D notice you keep mentioning


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    #3471
    Spanish Eyes
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    micks_address wrote: »
    I think it's telling the Portuguese news report sandra felguiras told how disgusted she had been by the leaks she had been given of the early lab tests and how she knew immediately the police had acted in bad faith

    Which Police Force are we talking about here?

    From what I have read, all the forensics were undertaken in the UK. And tbh I have my doubts about the results for obvious reasons.

    Cannot understand how Leicestershire Police were involved at all, or indeed Scotland Yard or whomever in UK.

    Do you think that if you or I were involved in something abroad that our police would get involved, not a fkn chance at all.

    I wish someone would explain.


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    #3472
    micks_address
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No, I’m just basing off my personal experience of being in a relationship.
    If my partner murdered my child I wouldn’t protect them for 11 minutes, never mind 11 years.
    Add to that the media intrusion, the nasty, abhorrent comments that have been made about their family, the grief, the trauma they have gone through, I’m pretty sure if one of them was responsible the other would have cracked by now.

    I haven’t seen the Late Late show clip so can’t comment on that.

    But if you were both complicit and faced jail and ruin it the truth came out?


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    #3473
    SusieBlue
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Warm and loving parents don’t abandon 2 of their children in a foreign country, after their eldest goes missing, to visit the Vatican as part of a press tour.

    They didn’t abandon them, they were left in the care of family iirc.
    Going to visit the Vatican isn’t a crime.
    It doesn’t make them bad parents and I’m failing to see what relevance it has at all.

    You can be a warm, loving person, and make a stupid choice. Why is that so hard to understand?


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    #3474
    SusieBlue
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    micks_address wrote: »
    But if you were both complicit and faced jail and ruin it the truth came out?

    No pain or punishment is worse than losing a child.


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    #3475
    micks_address
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Which Police Force are we talking about here?

    From what I have read, all the forensics were undertaken in the UK. And tbh I have my doubts about the results for obvious reasons.

    Cannot understand how Leicestershire Police were involved at all, or indeed Scotland Yard or whomever in UK.

    Do you think that if you or I were involved in something abroad that our police would get involved, not a fkn chance at all.

    I wish someone would explain.

    The Portuguese police.. the initial report from the UK wae only half translated (according to Portuguese police) the second half was full of warnings that the results were far from conclusive.

    The Portuguese inspectior in charge claims or suspects the final report was altered to protect the mccanns


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    #3476
    tretorn
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Not many parents whose child was missing would get on a plane together without their surviving children.

    More bizarre attention seeking behaviour from this couple.


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    #3477
    micks_address
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No pain or punishment is worse than losing a child.

    Id agree but there are probably lots of examples of different outcomes


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    #3478
    Spanish Eyes
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    mazwell wrote: »
    What's this D notice you keep mentioning

    Google is your friend here.


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    #3479
    micks_address
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    tretorn wrote: »
    Not many parents whose child was missing would get on a plane together without their surviving children.

    More bizarre attention seeking behaviour from this couple.

    They were probably advised to do the trips.. in fairness if it was abduction then highlighting the case as much as possible in major cities local media was probably a good idea


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    #3480
    tretorn
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Surely they could have taken the twins on the publicity tour with them.

    What on earth was to be gained by leaving Portugal anyway.


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    #3481
    scamalert
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    micks_address wrote: »
    Have you watched the Netflix documentary? It suggests the appartment was under surveillance and she was probably taken to order.. there an email intercepted that shows a ring in Belgium ordering a girl fitting her profile from Portugal


    where in documentary or which episode was it even mentioned the email you speak of ?


    was it acted on to check the places it originated and was sent to as well ? seems pretty big thing to miss.


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