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Ulster Bank League 2018-2019 Talk/Gossip/Rumours

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    #782
    The Lost Sheep
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Round robin. 1 side confirmed.
    Enniscorthy won Leinster junior league today
    Munster has 3 rounds left Clonmel lead by 4 from Newcastle West with Bandon further point behind
    Connacht league 2 rounds left. Connemara lead by 4 from Creggs.
    Ulster. Instonians lead Ballyclare by 3. Ballyclare have game in hand. 3 full rounds of league left. Inst and Ballyclare have to play each other
    Connemara won Connacht league yesterday with round to spare.
    Munster has 1 round left. Clonmel 4 points lead from Newcastle West. Clonmel play 3rd placed Bandon and NCW play 9th placed Clan in final round next weekend.
    Instonians and Ballyclare play each other next weekend.
    So its Enniscorthy, Connemara, Clonmel(most likely) and Instonians or Ballyclare


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    #783
    luke9311
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    Anyone here know the exact date for 1a ail 2019 division final this year trying to book that day off work but can’t find the date anywhere on the Irish rugby website....


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    #784
    The Lost Sheep
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    Only game tonight was the tipp derby in 2A in a turn for the books it was a 10-10 draw.
    Cashel will likely be more disappointed with tonights result


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    #785
    The Lost Sheep
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    luke9311 wrote: »
    Anyone here know the exact date for 1a ail 2019 division final this year trying to book that day off work but can’t find the date anywhere on the Irish rugby website....
    Sunday May 5th


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    #786
    The Lost Sheep
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    1A
    Trinity 10 Terenure 7, Garryowen 7 Con 15, Lansdowne 25 Young Munster 24, UCC 15 Shannon 3, UCD 17 Clontarf 26
    1B
    Ballynahinch 13 Naas 5, Armagh 27 Ballymena 15, Malone 6 Buccaneers 11, Marys 10 Belvedere 7, Old Wesley 22 Banbridge 0
    2A
    Nenagh 10 Cashel 10, Blackrock 17 Queens 24, Galwegians 0 Dolphin 28, Highfield 19 Old Crescent 7, UL Bohs 17 Navan 21
    2B
    Belfast Harlequins 15 Wanderers 7, Dungannon 24 Corinthians 0, Skerries 27 Rainey Old Boys 20, Sligo 17 Greystones 3,
    Sundays Well 20 Barnhall 26
    2C
    Bangor 5 Tullamore 16, Malahide 19 Midleton 14, Omagh 32 Derry 25, Seapoint 17 Bruff 20, Thomond 10 Ballina 41


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    #787
    The Lost Sheep
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Connemara won Connacht league yesterday with round to spare.
    Munster has 1 round left. Clonmel 4 points lead from Newcastle West. Clonmel play 3rd placed Bandon and NCW play 9th placed Clan in final round next weekend.
    Instonians and Ballyclare play each other next weekend.
    So its Enniscorthy, Connemara, Clonmel(most likely) and Instonians or Ballyclare
    Instonians and Ballyclare drew 5-5. So Instonians lead Ballyclare by 3 with Ballyclare 3 games to play and Instonians 2 to play
    Clonmel and Bandon to be played today was postponed while Newcastle West got bonus point win. Clonmel need point to win league again.


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    #788
    The Lost Sheep
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    Fixtures for this weekend
    1A
    Clontarf v Shannon
    Cork Con v Lansdowne
    Terenure v UCC
    UCD v Garryowen
    Young Munster v Trinity
    1B
    Ballymena v Banbridge
    Buccaneers v Ballynahinch
    Armagh v St Marys
    Old Belvedere v Malone
    Naas v Old Wesley
    2A
    Cashel v Galwegians
    Navan v Old Crescent
    Queens v Nenagh
    UL Bohs v Blackrock
    Dolphin v Highfield - moved to Paddys weekend
    2B
    Dungannon v Sundays Well
    Corinthians v Rainey Old Boys
    Greystones v Skerries
    MU Barnhall v Belfast Harlequins
    Wanderers v Sligo
    2C
    Ballina v Bruff
    City of Derry v Bangor
    Midleton v Omagh
    Thomond v Malahide
    Tullamore v Seapoint


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    #789
    Stainalert
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    1A

    Clontarf v Shannon - Clontarf's form seems to be picking up whilst Shannon have been sliding. I think Clontarf will have too much power for Shannon.

    Cork Con v Lansdowne - Difficult place to visit. Con back on track after their hiccup against UCD the previous week. Expecting a very physical encounter

    Terenure v UCC - A real 8 pointer for both teams. A win for either team will be massive. Fancy Terenure

    UCD v Garryowen - UCD have shown a bit more form of late and I think will edge it over Garryowen

    Young Munster v Trinity - Must win for Munsters but I think Trinity will prevail to soldify 4th spot

    1B

    Ballymena v Banbridge - Ballymena look to be spent so going for away win. Strange to see Banbridge in 9th. A win would get them up the the right part of the table

    Buccaneers v Ballynahinch - Buccs have picked up lately and I think will sneak this.

    Armagh v St Marys - 4 v 5 Armagh seem to have mixed form of late (Have they had a few injuries?) but I think will edge it over Marys.

    Old Belvedere v Malone - Huge game for Belvo whilst Malone will be chomping at the bit to chase down Wesley ahead of them. I think Belvo will win.

    Naas v Old Wesley - Naas really need this if they want to keep up the chase for promotion. Old Wesley know if they slip up there at least 3 clubs over their shoulder who will potentially move past them. Wesley are the form team in the division at the moment so will go with them


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    #790
    The Lost Sheep
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    1A
    Clontarf 45 Shannon 14, Cork Con 49 Lansdowne 17, Terenure 39 UCC 29, UCD 14 Garryowen 24, Young Munster 24 Trinity 18
    1B
    Ballymena 27 Banbridge 31, Buccaneers 24 Ballynahinch 43, Armagh 39 St Marys 21, Naas 7 Old Wesley 5, Old Belvedere 15 Malone 12
    2A
    Cashel 50 Galwegians 19, Navan 14 Old Crescent 17, Queens 41 Nenagh 22, UL Bohs 30 Blackrock 18
    2B
    Dungannon 20 Sundays Well 17, Corinthians 24 Rainey 29, Greystones 40 Skerries 27, Barnhall 20 Belfast Harlequins 17, Wanderers 29 Sligo 36
    2C
    Ballina 37 Bruff 20, Derry 10 Bangor 5, Midleton 35 Omagh 12, Thomond 22 Malahide 33, Tullamore 15 Seapoint 24


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    #791
    The Lost Sheep
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    1A semi finalists
    Con will be first, Clontarf and Lansdowne are battling for second and third and likely will go to final game when they play each other in Lansdowne. Fourth will be Garryowen or Trinity and Garryowen host trinity in final round.
    Terenure and Munsters bottom on 23 points with UCC and Shannon on 27.


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    #792
    The Lost Sheep
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    Just thinking on potential changes to the league. Should the IRFU and clubs look to have an AIL 2nds league where clubs 2nd teams play same team as their 1sts on same weekend and then whatever other teams they field continue in whatever competitions they play at the moment like metro leagues in leinster etc


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    #793
    stellenbosch
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    1A semi finalists
    Con will be first, Clontarf and Lansdowne are battling for second and third and likely will go to final game when they play each other in Lansdowne. Fourth will be Garryowen or Trinity and Garryowen host trinity in final round.
    Terenure and Munsters bottom on 23 points with UCC and Shannon on 27.

    Just to clarify:

    Trinity v Garryowen is is College Park on last day

    Table as it stands is:

    Nure 23: Shannon 27: UCC 27 and Munsters 28


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    #794
    Chico Flores
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Just thinking on potential changes to the league. Should the IRFU and clubs look to have an AIL 2nds league where clubs 2nd teams play same team as their 1sts on same weekend and then whatever other teams they field continue in whatever competitions they play at the moment like metro leagues in leinster etc

    Wouldn't be sustainable for most clubs to be sending 40/42 lads around the country 9 times a year.

    Not every team can accommodate two teams at same time - and on the whole most teams 2s will play on separate day and carry overflow from 1s.

    Don't think that is a good idea at all.

    Not sure the logic behind that, you are adjusting junior rugby leagues for no real gain.


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    #795
    The Lost Sheep
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    Chico Flores wrote: »
    Wouldn't be sustainable for most clubs to be sending 40/42 lads around the country 9 times a year.

    Not every team can accommodate two teams at same time - and on the whole most teams 2s will play on separate day and carry overflow from 1s.

    Don't think that is a good idea at all.

    Not sure the logic behind that, you are adjusting junior rugby leagues for no real gain.
    It would be using one bus like now for players. Many clubs would be able to do it and if you have 2s starting after 1sts game you would be able use subs from 1s to play 2s and many subs from 1s games are often used again by 2s on a Sunday so this removes that


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    #796
    Chico Flores
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    It would be using one bus like now for players. Many clubs would be able to do it and if you have 2s starting after 1sts game you would be able use subs from 1s to play 2s and many subs from 1s games are often used again by 2s on a Sunday so this removes that

    Asking lads to stay togged for 160 minutes- what if they end up having to come on after 5 mins in the 2s game

    And with injuries etc - you would need 50 lads every Saturday

    I think it is nonsensical.


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    #797
    Stainalert
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    Chico Flores wrote: »
    Asking lads to stay togged for 160 minutes- what if they end up having to come on after 5 mins in the 2s game

    And with injuries etc - you would need 50 lads every Saturday

    I think it is nonsensical.

    This sort of system works very well in Australia. Would worry about the traveling costs though as I am not sure one coach would do the trick.


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    #798
    The Lost Sheep
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    Chico Flores wrote: »
    Asking lads to stay togged for 160 minutes- what if they end up having to come on after 5 mins in the 2s game

    And with injuries etc - you would need 50 lads every Saturday

    I think it is nonsensical.
    It works extremely well in other countries including Australia as Stainalert says
    Stainalert wrote: »
    This sort of system works very well in Australia. Would worry about the traveling costs though as I am not sure one coach would do the trick.
    One coach would most likely do for players - 50 seat bus - all depends on how many coaches, physios etc you have then. Mightnt be any room for president/alickadoos on bus though


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    #799
    Chico Flores
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    Fair enough, I just don't see any merit in it.


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    #800
    The Lost Sheep
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    Chico Flores wrote: »
    Fair enough, I just don't see any merit in it.
    Why? Surely better than existing system and should see more support for teams at games.

    Chris Henry new head coach of Malone

    https://www.facebook.com/243963542623077/posts/815553612130731?sfns=mo


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    #801
    Stainalert
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    Leinster notifying clubs today that none of their academy players will be available for Round 17 & 18 of the AIL. Scandalous that these players will be sent to the US to help try and support US rugby rather than stay here and support Irish rugby particularly given the amount of Irish players that been signed up by the MLR.


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    #802
    The Lost Sheep
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    Stainalert wrote: »
    Leinster notifying clubs today that none of their academy players will be available for Round 17 & 18 of the AIL. Scandalous that these players will be sent to the US to help try and support US rugby rather than stay here and support Irish rugby particularly given the amount of Irish players that been signed up by the MLR.
    How many academy players wouldnt be eligible for final rounds of AIL because they hadnt played enough during rounds 1-16?
    This trip isnt simply about supporting US rugby. It can be ****e timing for clubs but A games are necessary and start/end of season are best timing for them...


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    #803
    Stainalert
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    How many academy players wouldnt be eligible for final rounds of AIL because they hadnt played enough during rounds 1-16?
    This trip isnt simply about supporting US rugby. It can be ****e timing for clubs but A games are necessary and start/end of season are best timing for them...

    The academy players are all technically available - They don't have to play a minimum amount of games to be allowed to play in the latter stages of the AIL.

    The trip is definitely not about supporting Irish Club rugby and the Premier Club competition.


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    #804
    The Lost Sheep
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    Stainalert wrote: »
    The academy players are all technically available - They don't have to play a minimum amount of games to be allowed to play in the latter stages of the AIL.

    The trip is definitely not about supporting Irish Club rugby and the Premier Club competition.
    Ah yeah thats just the contracted players who have to play min of earlier rounds.
    This trip is necessary for provincial rugby though. If more academy, provincial players were spread across divisions then this wouldnt be as much an issue but the top clubs hoover up so many players then they cant have it both ways when the provinces who do pay these players use them in games.


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    #805
    Stainalert
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    Just to be clear the provinces didn't organise this trip (Nucifora did) so the provinces didn't necessarily deem this trip necessary. The trip will call on sub academy players as well and potentially non academy players. There is plenty of spread of academy players across both 1st divisions.


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    #806
    The Lost Sheep
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    Stainalert wrote: »
    Just to be clear the provinces didn't organise this trip (Nucifora did) so the provinces didn't necessarily deem this trip necessary. The trip will call on sub academy players as well and potentially non academy players. There is plenty of spread of academy players across both 1st divisions.
    But did they look for it not to happen? Hardly would have turned things down and probably looked at having games this time of year any way,


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    #807
    Lucas44
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    Stainalert wrote: »
    Leinster notifying clubs today that none of their academy players will be available for Round 17 & 18 of the AIL. Scandalous that these players will be sent to the US to help try and support US rugby rather than stay here and support Irish rugby particularly given the amount of Irish players that been signed up by the MLR.

    Get over yourself it’s happening to all the ulster clubs aswell not to mention Buccs missed 10 players last weekend due to the same reason. It’s a great opportunity and life experience for all those travelling and competing over there. Not all academy players make it as pros and offers them great exposure to teams over there not to mention paddy’s weekend in Boston will be hopping


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    #808
    Stainalert
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    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Get over yourself it’s happening to all the ulster clubs as well not to mention Buccs missed 10 players last weekend due to the same reason. It’s a great opportunity and life experience for all those travelling and competing over there. Not all academy players make it as pros and offers them great exposure to teams over there not to mention paddy’s weekend in Boston will be hopping

    So because it's happening to Ulster & Connacht & Munster by the way that makes it alright? The various provinces are all going at different times which destroys the credibility and integrity around the league with the various provincial clubs all weaker at different times - Connacht clubs will only miss their players for one round of games by the way. it would have been fairer to all if the provinces had simply all gone at the same time. Better still this "life experience" could have been very simply timed better so that it did not clash with the AIL at all.


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    #809
    Tarf1234
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    Stainalert wrote: »
    So because it's happening to Ulster & Connacht & Munster by the way that makes it alright? The various provinces are all going at different times which destroys the credibility and integrity around the league with the various provincial clubs all weaker at different times - Connacht clubs will only miss their players for one round of games by the way. it would have been fairer to all if the provinces had simply all gone at the same time. Better still this "life experience" could have been very simply timed better so that it did not clash with the AIL at all.

    Defending this is outrageous - 'great experience' to play against a team not good enough to be in MLR yet, which as a league has many relatively average ex-AIL players regularly on 'team of the week'..... It's a trip to Boston for the lads and a great way for Nucifera, Dawson et al. to piss off the clubs and show their disdain for the people involved in the clubs. No surprise they booked it in to have biggest impact on 1A clubs essentially.


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    #810
    The Lost Sheep
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    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Defending this is outrageous - 'great experience' to play against a team not good enough to be in MLR yet, which as a league has many relatively average ex-AIL players regularly on 'team of the week'..... It's a trip to Boston for the lads and a great way for Nucifera, Dawson et al. to piss off the clubs and show their disdain for the people involved in the clubs. No surprise they booked it in to have biggest impact on 1A clubs essentially.
    Not right to say theyre not good enough to be in MLR yet. They werent in the initial group of teams to start the league but will be in next expansion of the league.
    A games like this are needed. Timing is ****e but whenever they would have been scheduled some here would have complained.


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    #811
    The Lost Sheep
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    Clonmel won Munster junior league today and join Connemara, Enniscorthy and winner of Ulster(Ballyclare or Instonians) in round robin


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