Gardaí contact Louth family after Irish woman is detained in Syria

kravmaga · 12-03-2019 08:09PM

Giveaway wrote: »

Government jet home. Welfare for life or career as human rights activist. And a slot on the late late show but may have to share with Irish Sam and his libyan adventure. Oh yeah and the book deal(ghostwritten by somebody who works in amnesty international)

You forgot about a possible appearance as a guest on the Late Late Show, Tubs Question, So Lisa Tell me how did you get from Air Corp Govt jet crew to being pregnant with a Tusinian man baby and under house arrest in war zone in Syria?

jmayo · 12-03-2019 08:38PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Jeez, you're making her out to be some sort of super soldier. Hyperbole much?

Ehh you don't have to be anywhere near a super soldier to kill people who are unprepared.
Hell a normal soldier can kill the super soldiers if they catch them totally unaware.
Just ask the likes of Chris Kyle.
Oh wait you can't as he was killed. :rolleyes:

And it is pretty damn easy to do serious damage to a tin can in the air when you are probably one of the people tasked with loading it up and have reasonable access to it.

Now it looks like she was not into serious islamist fundamentalist mode when she was riding around on the government jet.

But it is still damn concerning nonetheless.

Galwayguy35 · 13-03-2019 11:08AM

If she wants to come back with her mini terrorist unfortunately there's not much we can do about it because she is Irish born but Varadkar is really playing down what she was doing over there saying "it's not a crime to travel to Syria".

What the fook did he think she was at over there, making tea and sandwiches for the lads while they were busy beheading prisoners and raping Yazidi women and children.

Kivaro · 13-03-2019 01:06PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

If she wants to come back with her mini terrorist unfortunately there's not much we can do about it because she is Irish born but Varadkar is really playing down what she was doing over there saying "it's not a crime to travel to Syria".

What the fook did he think she was at over there, making tea and sandwiches for the lads while they were busy beheading prisoners and raping Yazidi women and children.

Varadkar doesn't see it like that. He see this as an opportunity to display his liberal credentials to the world (and especially Brussels) ........... even if it involves allowing a terrorist, who disavowed Ireland and has no remorse for ISIS atrocities, back into the country, where she will continue to spread her hate for all of us living here who are not Muslim.

KrustyUCC · 13-03-2019 05:50PM

'UNDER INFLUENCE' Irish IS bride Lisa Smith told family she was ‘duped’ into going to Syria and thought she was going to help child refugees in an aid camp

Pals of the Louth ex-Irish Army trooper, 37, also claim Smith was 'afraid' IS would kill her and her baby after her husband was killed while fighting

https://www.thesun.ie/news/3857538/irish-is-bride-lisa-smith-duped-going-syria-aid-camp/

lertsnim · 13-03-2019 06:35PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

'UNDER INFLUENCE' Irish IS bride Lisa Smith told family she was ‘duped’ into going to Syria and thought she was going to help child refugees in an aid camp

Pals of the Louth ex-Irish Army trooper, 37, also claim Smith was 'afraid' IS would kill her and her baby after her husband was killed while fighting

https://www.thesun.ie/news/3857538/irish-is-bride-lisa-smith-duped-going-syria-aid-camp/

Bull****

KrustyUCC · 13-03-2019 06:35PM

Yeah that's my impression too

Still I suppose someone could be that naive

Fr_Dougal · 13-03-2019 06:42PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

'UNDER INFLUENCE' Irish IS bride Lisa Smith told family she was ‘duped’ into going to Syria and thought she was going to help child refugees in an aid camp

Pals of the Louth ex-Irish Army trooper, 37, also claim Smith was 'afraid' IS would kill her and her baby after her husband was killed while fighting

https://www.thesun.ie/news/3857538/irish-is-bride-lisa-smith-duped-going-syria-aid-camp/

Apparently she was just going to the cinema in Syria and accidentally joined ISIS.

13-03-2019 06:48PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Apparently she was just going to the cinema in Syria and accidentally joined ISIS.

Oh ****, I hate it when that happens.

I took the dog for a walk last week and accidentally joined the foreign legion.

jmayo · 13-03-2019 06:52PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Apparently she was just going to the cinema in Syria and accidentally joined ISIS.

And Khalid Kelly was going to the cinema when he spontaneously combusted.

Maybe they were re-showing Spinal Tap.

jmayo · 13-03-2019 06:54PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

'UNDER INFLUENCE' Irish IS bride Lisa Smith told family she was ‘duped’ into going to Syria and thought she was going to help child refugees in an aid camp

Pals of the Louth ex-Irish Army trooper, 37, also claim Smith was 'afraid' IS would kill her and her baby after her husband was killed while fighting

https://www.thesun.ie/news/3857538/irish-is-bride-lisa-smith-duped-going-syria-aid-camp/

Actually this will be funny watching normal Guardian readers using The Sun for facts to back up their stance.

AlekSmart · 13-03-2019 07:30PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Jeez, you're making her out to be some sort of super soldier. Hyperbole much?

Ah c'mon now,this lassie was TEN years in the Army,joining at 19 years of age.

Although often lampooned here and elsewhere,The Irish Defence Forces tend to be highly regarded outside the State.

The standard of training and equipment is well up there with any modern European Armed Service.

So,nobody is suggesting that Ms Smith is a "Supersoldier",but the fact remains that she had a degree of specialist knowledge in armed forces procedures that 95% of the rest of us don't.

She certainly appears to have spent quite a while in and around the HQ Senior Staff,that's for sure.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/military-inquiry-found-lisa-smith-did-not-know-sensitive-state-information-1.3822174

The Dundalk native joined the Army when she was 19 and served as a private in the 27th Infantry Battalion before transferring to the Air Corps, where she served as an attendant on the Government jet.

Ms Smith’s final role before resigning was in a transport unit where she worked as a driver for senior officers including the head of the Air Corps, Maj Gen Ralph James.

On mature reflection,I now believe that Ms Smith should be brought back here ASAP,and thoroughly debriefed about every element of her time spent abroad,particularly her whereabouts and associates between 2011 - 2014.

Following this,and assuming there are no other States involved,who may have reason to question her,then it's back to boring ol post-brexit Dundalk for our Lisa....to paraphrase Mary Harney...the choice is between Damascus,or Dundalk ?

malinheader · 13-03-2019 07:34PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

'UNDER INFLUENCE' Irish IS bride Lisa Smith told family she was ‘duped’ into going to Syria and thought she was going to help child refugees in an aid camp

Pals of the Louth ex-Irish Army trooper, 37, also claim Smith was 'afraid' IS would kill her and her baby after her husband was killed while fighting

https://www.thesun.ie/news/3857538/irish-is-bride-lisa-smith-duped-going-syria-aid-camp/

Totally boll---ks. They must think people are damn stupid.

dundalkfc10 · 13-03-2019 07:43PM

in fairness have any of you ever drove through never mind live in Muirhevnamor in Dundalk.

id prefer Syria

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2019 10:33PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Ah c'mon now,this lassie was TEN years in the Army,joining at 19 years of age.

Although often lampooned here and elsewhere,The Defence Forces tend to be highly regarded outside the State.

The standard of training and equipment is well up there with any modern European Armed Service.

So,nobody is suggesting that Ms Smith is a "Supersoldier",but the fact remains that she had a degree of specialist knowledge in armed forces procedures that 95% of the rest of us don't.

She certainly appears to have spent quite a while in and around the HQ Senior Staff,that's for sure.

https://www.times.com/news/crime-and-law/military-inquiry-found-lisa-smith-did-not-know-sensitive-state--1.3822174

She spent the last 5 years of her service as an air steward on the government jet. Her specialist knowledge extended to what wine to serve with dinner.

jmreire · 13-03-2019 11:54PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

'UNDER INFLUENCE' Irish IS bride Lisa Smith told family she was ‘duped’ into going to Syria and thought she was going to help child refugees in an aid camp

Pals of the Louth ex-Irish Army trooper, 37, also claim Smith was 'afraid' IS would kill her and her baby after her husband was killed while fighting

https://www.thesun.ie/news/3857538/irish-is-bride-lisa-smith-duped-going-syria-aid-camp/

I would think that Lisa made her escape from one of the former isis strongholds after it was liberated..like many more, including fighters. But it was standard "practice "for isis to kill deserters or even perceived deserters, in areas that they controlled. So it's not too far fetched that she felt that she might be killed....she would not have been the first one. I;m pretty sure that there would have been a considerable Nr of people who "answered the call to join the caliphate" based on their recruitment propaganda, only to discover that the reality was far different to what they imagined the caliphate would be like. So there was no way isis would allow them to leave, and inform the world of what isis was actually like.

Gatling · 14-03-2019 12:04AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

She spent the last 5 years of her service as an air steward on the government jet. Her specialist knowledge extended to what wine to serve with dinner.

Your wrong she's still a highly trained Infantry soldier's and would still maintained her training until she actually left the defence forces ,

Why would you feel the need to downplay her military service playing her as some kind of trolley dolly , when in fact she's a infantry trooper ,

ohnonotgmail · 14-03-2019 10:20AM

Gatling wrote: »

Your wrong she's still a highly trained Infantry soldier's and would still maintained her training until she actually left the defence forces ,

Why would you feel the need to downplay her military service playing her as some kind of trolley dolly , when in fact she's a infantry trooper ,

she WAS an infantry for her first 5 years. Then she was an air steward for the next 5. I doubt she got anywhere near a rifle outside annual qualification while she was in the air corp.

Pherekydes · 14-03-2019 10:30AM

Gatling wrote: »

Your wrong she's still a highly trained Infantry soldier's and would still maintained her training until she actually left the defence forces ,

Why would you feel the need to downplay her military service playing her as some kind of trolley dolly , when in fact she's a infantry trooper ,

Well, if she transferred to the Air Corps she was no longer infantry. She would have done her range practises once a year and that was it.

Zorya · 14-03-2019 10:36AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she WAS an infantry for her first 5 years. Then she was an air steward for the next 5. I doubt she got anywhere near a rifle outside annual qualification while she was in the air corp.

Why does the ''air steward'' have to be recruited from the miltary on the government jet if the military aspect is completely irrelevant? She was there in a position because of her military training, it is not incidental.

I still think these people have to be brought back to their country of origin and tried. They have been inflicted long enough on the unfortunate people in the Middle East.

As for her being ''lured'' into joining under misapprehensions, what the actual feck, like? Was it the lovely big black jeeps that caught her eye? The call of the caliphate, me hole.

Have seen escaped Yazidi women saying that the ISIL ''brides'' used to shower and dress them and put makeup on them, before they were handed over to their rapists to be abused and brutalised at will. What a sick shower of indoctrinated cultist cnuts.

ohnonotgmail · 14-03-2019 10:45AM

Zorya wrote: »

Why does the ''air steward'' have to be recruited from the miltary on the government jet if the military aspect is completely irrelevant? She was there in a position because of her military training, it is not incidental.

Because the government jet is operated by the air corp. all the personell for it come from the air corp. That is why the air stewards are air corp. They didnt have to do this, they could just as easily have decided to operate with an entirely civilain crew.

Turbohymac · 14-03-2019 10:46AM

Ah sure the poor girl was brainwashed and now all government departments are pouring out sympathy for her..
As for returning her to her own country to be put on trial..that's hilarious if we could laugh at something so sinister..its a lawless state. Especially when she seems to have sympathy from Leo and his friends..more expense to the Irish taxpayers...Ireland should follow what uk did a few weeks ago and simply revoke her citizenship.. too high a risk to society .. after all what message to deter other followers does treating her as an innocent victim give out.. sure you're grand no matter what terror organization you join or crimes you commit sure our door is always open to return..ceadmile failte etc etc
Sure well wait and see.....sorry to say but the uk conducted the correct action to their ISIS uk citizen.

Galwayguy35 · 14-03-2019 11:10AM

jmreire wrote: »

I would think that Lisa made her escape from one of the former isis strongholds after it was liberated..like many more, including fighters. But it was standard "practice "for isis to kill deserters or even perceived deserters, in areas that they controlled. So it's not too far fetched that she felt that she might be killed....she would not have been the first one. I;m pretty sure that there would have been a considerable Nr of people who "answered the call to join the caliphate" based on their recruitment propaganda, only to discover that the reality was far different to what they imagined the caliphate would be like. So there was no way isis would allow them to leave, and inform the world of what isis was actually like.

Ah come on now, from the time these savages were formed they were beheading and raping innocent people.

The only regret these ISIS bitches have is that they lost.

The fact that many of them will be making their way back to Europe with the next generation of terrorists hanging out of them is very worrying.

Once back in Europe they have time on their side and can wait years to strike and it's innocent civilians not trained soldiers who will be their victims.

The Yanks should have carpet bombed the lot of them.

Mutant z · 14-03-2019 02:24PM

Im so sick of hearing of this shyte leave her to rot she made her choice she must live with it.

Mutant z · 14-03-2019 02:27PM

Once you pander once to these extremists then you pander a 100 times which is exactly what they want that must not ever be allowed to happen.

end of the road · 14-03-2019 02:57PM

Turbohymac wrote: »

Ah sure the poor girl was brainwashed and now all government departments are pouring out sympathy for her.. As for returning her to her own country to be put on trial..that's hilarious if we could laugh at something so sinister..its a lawless state. Especially when she seems to have sympathy from Leo and his friends..more expense to the Irish taxpayers...Ireland

more expence to the tax payers is the most invalid and irrelevant argument against this irish citizen being returned to her country of origin as one can get. as for ireland being a lawless society, what a bunch of hyperbole.

Turbohymac wrote: »

Ireland should follow what uk did a few weeks ago and simply revoke her citizenship..

breach international law and show contempt to the syrian people? in britain's case we can add the bangladeshis and the dutch. nope, no thanks.

Turbohymac wrote: »

too high a risk to society..

absolutely nothing compared to the risk she is to the syrians. i suppose though they don't matter. i have a feeling that this is ultimately the under tone going on here with those who want western terrorists to be dumped on them.

Turbohymac wrote: »

after all what message to deter other followers does treating her as an innocent victim give out.. sure you're grand no matter what terror organization you join or crimes you commit sure our door is always open to return..ceadmile failte etc etc Sure well wait and see.....

none because there is no message to send and those willing to join groups as extreme as isis cannot be deterred by anything.

Turbohymac wrote: »

sorry to say but the uk conducted the correct action to their ISIS uk citizen.

the uk conducted the wrong action to their uk citizen. an action that is likely based on britain's superiority ideals. an action which showed contempt to the citizens of the middle east. an action which saw an attempt to dump a uk citizen on a number of countries. bangladesh, holland, and ultimately syria. the good news is the action will amount to nothing as she will eventually be repatrriated because president assad has apparently said he is not keeping foreign terrorists long term. good on him. bangladesh and the dutch have said no way.

Gatling · 14-03-2019 06:56PM

end of the road wrote: »

she will eventually be repatrriated because president assad has apparently said he is not keeping foreign terrorists long term. good on him. bangladesh and the dutch have said no way.

She's going to either Bangladesh or nothing that's a fact she's no longer a British citizen,
Assad said Assad has very little power outside Damascus most of these Isis brides and captured fighters are outside of assad Territory

end of the road · 14-03-2019 07:38PM

Gatling wrote: »

She's going to either Bangladesh or nothing that's a fact she's no longer a British citizen

it's not automatically a fact as bangladesh have said she is not a citizen. given she wasn't born there either, they will not be taking her in and they can't be forced to do so. in that case, given she has no other citizenship, britain's stripping of citizenship is illegal as it's illegal to make someone stateless. so therefore repatriation to britain is very much an option open to syria if that is what they decide. britain will have to suck it up.

Gatling wrote: »

Assad said Assad has very little power outside Damascus most of these Isis brides and captured fighters are outside of assad Territory

whether that be the case or not, he is still the one who will be making the decisions as he is the president of syria, regardless of one's dislike of him.

Gatling · 14-03-2019 08:14PM

end of the road wrote: »

it's not automatically a fact as bangladesh have said she is not a citizen. given she wasn't born there either,

whether that be the case or not, he is still the one who will be making the decisions as he is the president of syria, regardless of one's dislike of him.

Again it's a fact she is a Bangladeshi via her Bangladeshi born parents , not your opinion but fact .

Assad won't be making any decisions about what happens in Kurdish Territory anymore that's long gone ,nor has the military might to take the Kurds on , neither will Iran or Russia ,

Can we not do this whole makey uppy opinions and call them facts,

Let's look at your contridictions the UK will be forced to take her but Bangladesh can't be forced but wait international a laws you keep posting about would suggest they could be forced to take her as she's a citizen through her parents being Bangladeshi born and breed

Gardaí contact Louth family after Irish woman is detained in Syria

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