Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

ancapailldorcha · 13-03-2019 04:44PM

franglan wrote: »

Where was this?

Here:

https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1105764295483240448

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-says-spending-child-14127681

prawnsambo · 13-03-2019 04:46PM

franglan wrote: »

Where was this?

On Nick Ferrari's show on LBC this morning apparently.

franglan · 13-03-2019 04:47PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

On Nick Ferrari's show on LBC this morning apparently.

Thought as much - thanks both.

murphaph · 13-03-2019 04:49PM

That's a disgusting comment, with or without the sexual reference. What a despicable man he is.

Akrasia · 13-03-2019 04:50PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The WA has already been ratified by the EU27.

We're just waiting on the Brits to sort it out.

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

Never mind so

prawnsambo · 13-03-2019 04:52PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

Never mind so

Well, not quite. It has to go through the EuroParl after the HoC pass it. Of course that isn't likely to happen, but that's the next step.

lawred2 · 13-03-2019 04:53PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

My problem with the end of your post is that people have been treating Johnson as this slightly brash, un-PC but ultimately sound and dependable Uncle type figure and that sort of comment is the basis for his popularity while behind the scenes he's shown himself to be a cold, calculating & ruthless figure.

he's a master of distraction... now the conversation is about something else and not his role in the omnishambles that is Brexit

20silkcut · 13-03-2019 04:54PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No, because while we and the EU would prefer they remain, we are also OK with them leaving with the deal as negotiated.

Seat of the pants is where we are now - less than 3 weeks from a No Deal crashout.

But can you see a referendum without no deal on the ballot paper ???

40% of the population are in favour of no deal in the uk .

Zubeneschamali · 13-03-2019 04:55PM

20silkcut wrote: »

But can you see a referendum without no deal on the ballot paper ???

40% of the population are in favour of no deal in the uk .

No government would put No Deal to the people, it's like holding a referendum to burn down all the hospitals in the UK, completely irresponsible.

prawnsambo · 13-03-2019 04:56PM

20silkcut wrote: »

But can you see a referendum without no deal on the ballot paper ???

40% of the population are in favour of no deal in the uk .

That sounds a bit mad. Have you something to back that up with? I know the nutters in Brexit Central are pushing this, but not everyone is swallowing it.

Hermy · 13-03-2019 04:57PM

lawred2 wrote: »

he's a master of distraction... now the conversation is about something else and not his role in the omnishambles that is Brexit

That's it right there.

Bertie did similar with his comments re suicide and economists and also about how Johnny and Mary never had it so good.

Everybody got rightfully outraged but for all the wrong reasons.

gmisk · 13-03-2019 04:59PM

20silkcut wrote: »

But can you see a referendum without no deal on the ballot paper ???

40% of the population are in favour of no deal in the uk .

This poll seems to show very much that the general opinion is changing and the majority of people wouldnt want a no deal brexit.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/

If that 40% figure is true it is really worrying...are people that short sighted?

gmisk · 13-03-2019 05:00PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

That sounds a bit mad. Have you something to back that up with? I know the nutters in Brexit Central are pushing this, but not everyone is swallowing it.

These polls pretty much back up that 40% want a no deal brexit.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-mps-should-vote-for-or-against-a-no-deal-brexit/

jester77 · 13-03-2019 05:01PM

murphaph wrote: »

That's a disgusting comment, with or without the sexual reference. What a despicable man he is.

It truly is.

I hope it doesn't get lost under all that is happening with Brexit, it really shouldn't as it's utterly disgusting.

tuxy · 13-03-2019 05:02PM

gmisk wrote: »

If that 40% figure is true it is really worrying...are people that short sighted?

What percentage of the population not just in the UK but in any country do you think understands how the WTO works and what it's like to trade exclusively on those terms with no free trade agreements.-

Tacitus Kilgore · 13-03-2019 05:04PM

gmisk wrote: »

This poll seems to show very much that the general opinion is changing and the majority of people wouldnt want a no deal brexit.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/

If that 40% figure is true it is really worrying...are people that short sighted?

gmisk wrote: »

These polls pretty much back up that 40% want a no deal brexit.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-mps-should-vote-for-or-against-a-no-deal-brexit/

A large part of that 40% figure includes those who are of the opinion that a no deal brexit means no brexit/ continuance of the status quo..

Akrasia · 13-03-2019 05:05PM

20silkcut wrote: »

But can you see a referendum without no deal on the ballot paper ???

40% of the population are in favour of no deal in the uk .

They should get it then. A straight First past the post choice between 3 options. Mays Deal, No Deal, and Remain.

Of course, Remain would absolutely destroy the other two options in such a scenario.

They could try a transferable vote style referendum but that would probably also favour remain

Having more than one brexit option would split the vote no matter how they organise it

gmisk · 13-03-2019 05:07PM

tuxy wrote: »

What percentage of the population not just in the UK but in any country do you think understands how the WTO works and what it's like to trade exclusively on those terms with no free trade agreements.-

I honestly have no clue do you?
But if there is a no deal crash out my understanding is the UK wont have access to trade tariff free under the WTO, which would likely be disastrous.

20silkcut · 13-03-2019 05:08PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

That sounds a bit mad. Have you something to back that up with? I know the nutters in Brexit Central are pushing this, but not everyone is swallowing it.

I’m wrong it’s 28 per cent backing no deal.

40% want out overall between no deal and some sort of deal.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/883660/support-for-brexit-scenarios/

Infini · 13-03-2019 05:10PM

gmisk wrote: »

This poll seems to show very much that the general opinion is changing and the majority of people wouldnt want a no deal brexit.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/

If that 40% figure is true it is really worrying...are people that short sighted?

It's been known through all this that a significant section of the British population are either ignorant or completely uninformed of the ACTUAL workings of the EU and such and they get their information from a undependable and distorted media. They really don't realise the advantages of EU membership, others are just plain thick though and stubborn and stuck in their ways not willing to reconsider their position. The Brexiteers have only been able to last this long because they've been able to exploit this group to maintain themselves.

As said before the country is in need of serious reforms at this point the political system simply isn't properly representing the people leading to disenfranchisement and a toxic media that isn't being called out on putting out ignorant and utterly distorted BS (the infamous dirty trio The Daily Fail, Torygraph, Shítpost Express). Then you have years of austerity and poor financial managment to boot as well aggrivating things. Even if they managed to somehow dodge a crashout at the last minute these issues ultimately they need to take a long look in the mirror and HAVE to sort out these issues as its clear the likes of the Russian Troll Federation as I'd love to call em have been exploiting their weaknesses to their advantage.

An Ciarraioch · 13-03-2019 05:12PM

Reports that Spelman has pulled her own amendment?

J Mysterio · 13-03-2019 05:13PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

AS a person pointed out (can't recall where, could have been a poster on here, a radio show or whatever) just the simple fact that so many people have had to endure the uncertainty of it all is shameful.

Not knowing if you will have access to the medications you need to live come April is massively stressful. Not knowing if you will be able to continue to live in the Costa Del Spain and continue to avail of medical treatment. Not knowing whether you business will still be able to operate.

To put so many people through such stress on the basis on a political game is unconscionable.

Sure, Toyota, Airbus etc, they will all be fine in the grand scheme of things. But Mary in Hull who needs cancer treatment, Joe and Joanne Normal who moved to Spain because of his arthritis and are in negative equity so can't afford to move back.

They are the real losers, and the forgotten people in all of this.

Nice point. It is shameful.

Westminster should have passed the WA yesterday.

Hurrache · 13-03-2019 05:19PM

So under the new tariff regime suggested by the UK the border will be down the Irish sea, with the checks done on the UK side, or will it?

https://twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1105857942828519424

prawnsambo · 13-03-2019 05:19PM

20silkcut wrote: »

I’m wrong it’s 28 per cent backing no deal.

40% want out overall between no deal and some sort of deal.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/883660/support-for-brexit-scenarios/

To be fair, that's an old poll dating back to July 2018. Other posters have linked to more recent ones and you're pretty close in your original statement. Mad.

gmisk · 13-03-2019 05:19PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

AS a person pointed out (can't recall where, could have been a poster on here, a radio show or whatever) just the simple fact that so many people have had to endure the uncertainty of it all is shameful.

Not knowing if you will have access to the medications you need to live come April is massively stressful. Not knowing if you will be able to continue to live in the Costa Del Spain and continue to avail of medical treatment. Not knowing whether you business will still be able to operate.

To put so many people through such stress on the basis on a political game is unconscionable.

Sure, Toyota, Airbus etc, they will all be fine in the grand scheme of things. But Mary in Hull who needs cancer treatment, Joe and Joanne Normal who moved to Spain because of his arthritis and are in negative equity so can't afford to move back.

They are the real losers, and the forgotten people in all of this.

I agree with you but I would guess a large enough proportion of people like that actually voted for brexit.
There are plenty of examples available.
https://www.ft.com/content/877e1c96-2cce-11e6-bf8d-26294ad519fc

Some of them might regret it now.....but its a bit f#cking late!

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-latest-news-expats-spain-vote-leave-regret-decision/
The quotes in that story are a joy
“freedom of movement in Europe, for the proper Europeans”.
Translation....whites only.

VinLieger · 13-03-2019 05:22PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

To be fair, that's an old poll dating back to July 2018. Other posters have linked to more recent ones and you're pretty close in your original statement. Mad.

Those polls only show 40% saying no deal shouldn't be taken off the table and politicians shouldn't vote against no deal as an option.

There's no poll specifically showing 40% being in favour of No Deal happening

prawnsambo · 13-03-2019 05:32PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Those polls only show 40% saying no deal shouldn't be taken off the table and politicians shouldn't vote against no deal as an option.

There's no poll specifically showing 40% being in favour of No Deal happening

The one that was linked to in the same post as the one you refer to above had No deal at or around 35%. I wasn't going to quibble about the missing 5% because 35% is a mad number. And if you eliminate the don't knows, it pops up above the 40% mark.

This one

Water John · 13-03-2019 05:34PM

They are trying to force Spellman to withdraw her motion. She hasn't done so as of now.
Govn't will whip against it.

Headshot · 13-03-2019 05:36PM

Water John wrote: »

They are trying to force Spellman to withdraw her motion. She hasn't done so as of now.
Govn't will whip against it.

Can you remind me what that motion is again?

Quin_Dub · 13-03-2019 05:36PM

gmisk wrote: »

These polls pretty much back up that 40% want a no deal brexit.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-mps-should-vote-for-or-against-a-no-deal-brexit/

The question in the survey is "Should they rule out no deal "

Not ruling it out (as per Nigel Dodds , the "threat of it") and wanting to leave under no deal are very different things I think..

Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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