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janfebmar · 12-03-2019 11:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The silliest part of this opinion of yours is that the if the EU undermined itself to give a leaving country what it wanted there would also be a hard border in Ireland.

Wrong. Our insistence on a backstop has been a bluff that the British have not swallowed. They did not vote for it tonight.

A no deal Brexit is going to hurt us more than it hurts them, because Ireland imports most of what it consumes, and exports most of what it produces.

EU would have been better off trying to do a deal with the British, to reduce tariffs and help ensure ease of trade etc. The British have always been a trading nation.

VeryTerry · 12-03-2019 11:36PM

janfebmar wrote: »

It shows what the EU thinks of us when they would prefer have a hard border rather than a soft border, just to show the UK its place.
I suppose its not the first time the EU has shafted Ireland and pulled one over our politicians, look at the bank bailout for example.

It won't be the last either. They've used the border as a tool and nothing else.

12-03-2019 11:39PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Wrong. Our insistence on a backstop has been a bluff that the British have not swallowed. They did not vote for it tonight.

A no deal Brexit is going to hurt us more than it hurts them, because Ireland imports most of what it consumes, and exports most of what it produces.

EU would have been better off trying to do a deal with the British, to reduce tariffs and help ensure ease of trade etc. The British have always been a trading nation.

maybe stop getting your knickers in a twist and wait for tomorrows vote, the Brits aren't too fond of cliff jumping I reckon

FrancieBrady · 12-03-2019 11:39PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Wrong. Our insistence on a backstop has been a bluff that the British have not swallowed. They did not vote for it tonight.

A no deal Brexit is going to hurt us more than it hurts them, because Ireland imports most of what it consumes, and exports most of what it produces.

EU would have been better off trying to do a deal with the British, to reduce tariffs and help ensure ease of trade etc. The British have always been a trading nation.

So if this 'bluff' had paid off, what would the EU have gotten?

A deal with the UK and peace and economic stability in Ireland? Who would have suffered as a result of that?

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 12:18AM

VeryTerry wrote: »

It won't be the last either. They've used the border as a tool and nothing else.

Correct. It backfired on the EU though. The deal the EU was hoping to be accepted by rejected by UK parliament by a margin of 391 votes to 242. So nobody can say it was the DUP who made the difference.

Ireland does far more east west trade with the UK, and trade through the UK, than through the north / north south trade.

The EU did not respect the union between the different parts of the UK, the deal they insisted on (backstop deal) was rejected by a huge margin.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 12:20AM

janfebmar wrote: »

Correct. It backfired on the EU though. The deal the EU was hoping to be accepted by rejected by UK parliament by a margin of 391 votes to 242. So nobody can say it was the DUP who made the difference.

Ireland does far more east west trade with the UK, and trade through the UK, than through the north / north south trade.

Are you gonna tell us what this nefarious 'bluff was gonna achieve for the EU?

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 12:27AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you gonna tell us what this nefarious 'bluff was gonna achieve for the EU?

A split in the UK for starters.

cgcsb · 13-03-2019 12:28AM

Aegir wrote: »

I’d personally suggest that this group all assemble at the southern end of Dun Laoghaire’s west Pier and walk in a northerly direction for about two kilometres.

If they even exist of course

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 12:31AM

janfebmar wrote: »

A split in the UK for starters.

It was 'split' already.
And to what end would they want a 'split' in the UK if they are **** scared of losing the money they contribute?

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 12:36AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was 'split' already.

It would have been more split by the backstop. That deal was reject by a huge majority, 391 votes to 242 I think.

cgcsb · 13-03-2019 12:38AM

janfebmar wrote: »

A no deal Brexit is going to hurt us more than it hurts them, because Ireland imports most of what it consumes, and exports most of what

That's probably the most nonsense in one post you've achieved so far. The worst affected country by Brexit will be the UK in every possible scenario in every economic model available.

Ireland imports and exports a lot...eh so?? The USA is our largest trading partner. The UK accounts for only 12% of our exports. We have 26 other countries to trade with to pick up the slack in addition to most of the rest of the world through EU trade deals. The UK is going back to year 0 on the 29th of March. They'll have no trade deals with anyone and they import and export a great deal more than we do. They'll be trading on WTO rules alone, a situation currently only replicated by Mauritania.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 12:42AM

janfebmar wrote: »

It would have been more split by the backstop. That deal was reject by a huge majority, 391 votes to 242 I think.

So, if they wanted the UK's money why would it want to 'split' it. They would get more from a 'split' formerly prosperous united country? Is that the logic you are using here?

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 12:52AM

The UK is our biggest import partner...we import more from there than any other country.
The UK is our 2nd biggest customer for exports.
The UK is our biggest source of tourists.

The British can cope with WTO rules for a while, at the moment the EU does €100 billion a year trade with Australia on WTO rules. And the British have a deal ready to be fastracked with the Aussies, which both sides have been working on behind the scenes for the past 18 months.

A No deal with hit us worse than the British, because they are a much bigger economy than us and we use them as a landbridge to get to the continent etc. Even half our food is imported, is it not?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-03-2019 12:55AM

janfebmar wrote: »

The UK is our biggest import partner...we import more from there than any other country.
The UK is our 2nd biggest customer for exports.
The UK is our biggest source of tourists.

The British can cope with WTO rules for a while, at the moment the EU does €100 billion a year trade with Australia on WTO rules. And the British have a deal ready to be fastracked with the Aussies, which both sides have been working on behind the scenes for the past 18 months.

A No deal with hit us worse than the British, because they are a much bigger economy than us and we use them as a landbridge to get to the continent etc. Even half our food is imported, is it not?

No. We import 30% or so but we export much more food than we import. And the U.K. will suffer from Brexit more than us because they are leaving the EU and we aren’t. Even worse they don’t have deals with other countries but the EU does.

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 12:55AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So, if they wanted the UK's money why would it want to 'split' it. They would get more from a 'split' formerly prosperous united country? Is that the logic you are using here?

lol. You will never understand Francie. And there was you hoping the UK would vote for the backstop deal. I knew they would reject it. 391 votes to 242 show it was not just the DUP who made the difference.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-03-2019 12:56AM

janfebmar wrote: »

Correct. It backfired on the EU though. The deal the EU was hoping to be accepted by rejected by UK parliament by a margin of 391 votes to 242. So nobody can say it was the DUP who made the difference.

Ireland does far more east west trade with the UK, and trade through the UK, than through the north / north south trade.

The EU did not respect the union between the different parts of the UK, the deal they insisted on (backstop deal) was rejected by a huge margin.

That deal was agreed with the PM. The EU is not coming back to the table.

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 12:59AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

. And the U.K. will suffer from Brexit more than us because they are leaving the EU and we aren’t.

There are lots of countries around the world doing nicely because they are not in the EU. In fact the EU is the slowest growing region in the world. Sure the UK will suffer economically in the short term at least, as will the EU, but at least they will have their freedom and independence.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 01:00AM

janfebmar wrote: »

lol. You will never understand Francie. And there was you hoping the UK would vote for the backstop deal. I knew they would reject it. 391 votes to 242 show it was not just the DUP who made the difference.

You still haven't answered this.

So, if they wanted the UK's money why would it want to 'split' it. They would get more from a 'split' formerly prosperous united country? Is that the logic you are using here?

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 01:08AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You still haven't answered this.

They wanted the UK's money - and got it every year - when the UK was a member of the EEC / EU. But they have voted to leave. And they want to punish the UK, to discourage other countries from leaving.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 01:13AM

janfebmar wrote: »

They wanted the UK's money - and got it every year - when the UK was a member of the EEC / EU. But they have voted to leave. And they want to punish the UK, to discourage other countries from leaving.

So the UK would have continued to pay for the deal they got.

Why didn't the EU just remove the backstop and allow the HOC to accept the deal if it was money they were after? If they wanted to 'punish' the UK why did they concede on a Customs Union for the whole UK and why did the EU do a deal at all?

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 01:21AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why didn't the EU just remove the backstop

You obviously do not have a deep understanding of Irish politics.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 01:27AM

janfebmar wrote: »

You obviously do not have a deep understanding of Irish politics.

What?

Junkyard Tom · 13-03-2019 01:36AM

Maryisback.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 10:23AM

Brexit. The gift that keeps on giving.

The UK government announced a mixture of tariffs and quotas on beef, lamb, pork, poultry and some dairy to support UK farmers.
Tariffs on high-quality, boneless beef are 12.8pc plus €303.40/100kg.
Tariffs on high-quality carcases are 12.80pc plus €177.80/100kg.
IFA President Joe Healy said the tariff regime in the event of a no deal Brexit would be a disastrous scenario for Irish farmers.

https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/nodeal-brexit-preparation-no-new-checks-on-goods-moving-across-border-into-northern-ireland-uk-government-37908487.html

Ms. McEntee didn't sound quite so chipper this morning on Radio1. Wait until she has to deal with her farmer constitutients?

Smart move by the Brits releasing these figs. They should have done so sooner. will help to concentrate Govt. minds re Backstop.

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 10:38AM

It will probably take the smirk off Leos face too, after his jibe about the British a week or two ago. They are our closest trading partner. as said before the UK is our biggest import partner...we import more from there than any other country. The UK is our 2nd biggest customer for exports. The UK is our biggest source of tourists.

cgcsb · 13-03-2019 10:38AM

Nothing to do with a car bomb though.

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 10:44AM

cgcsb wrote: »

Nothing to do with a car bomb though.

Correct, no excuse for a car bomb.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 10:46AM

janfebmar wrote: »

It will probably take the smirk off Leos face too, after his jibe about the British a week or two ago. They are our closest trading partner. as said before the UK is our biggest import partner...we import more from there than any other country. The UK is our 2nd biggest customer for exports. The UK is our biggest source of tourists.

Bang on!
the EU & the Irish Govt has acted appallingly in these negotiations, and i believe it may well come back to haunt us. the EU will ditch us (and our precious Backstop) when it suits them, just like they did during the bailout crisis, and where will little old ireland be then?

Yamanoto · 13-03-2019 10:48AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Maryisback.

...and Chuck Stone hasn't gone away you know

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-03-2019 12:26PM

janfebmar wrote: »

It will probably take the smirk off Leos face too, after his jibe about the British a week or two ago. They are our closest trading partner. as said before the UK is our biggest import partner...we import more from there than any other country. The UK is our 2nd biggest customer for exports. The UK is our biggest source of tourists.

We’ll just have to import and export substitute. Also what exactly is Ireland supposed to do here. The brits want to leave the EU and also maintain frictionless trade north south which is impossible.

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