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Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #8822
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Hmm. Influential German MEP on EU Brexit committee saying that they won't get more than 2 months. Threatening a No Deal. Looks pretty angry.

    Please please please Mr angry German MEP follow through on your threats. In all seriousness most of these German MEPs they find are as fringe clowns as the likes of Batten or Ming.


  • #8823
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,950 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Please please please Mr angry German MEP follow through on your threats. In all seriousness most of these German MEPs they find are as fringe clowns as the likes of Batten or Ming.

    Mod: If you aren't going to add anything constructive to this thread, you will be banned. Final warning.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #8824
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    This is baffling politics. 391 mps voted against the deal but from diametrically opposed positions.
    They must surely know nothing more is coming from the EU so voting against this deal de facto approval for leaving with no deal.
    Others are voting no in the hope of delaying brexit possibly getting another referendum.
    I'm surprised there wasn't fisty cuffs in the no lobby.
    Has ever happened before so many people voting the same but for totally different reasons.


  • #8825
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Anyone who thinks Labour under Corbyn will the a winners from all this clearly has not been reading the evidence book. The public regards Labour's position/non position on Brexit as far worse along with not trusting the current "Trot" leadership one iota. Obviously while both parties deserve to be wiped out in the next GE neither will be and the Tories would actually win (well win more seats anyway). Which is astonishing to consider.


  • #8826
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    At this point it might be Britain's only hope. The Tories will return Britain to the Victorian era if they get a chance.

    Maybe Victorian levels of growth. Slash regulation and taxes...slash slash slash. The sole reason the EU won't budge on the backstop is to trap the UK in the CU as they know the UK will make mincemeat of them in a competitive market out there.


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  • #8827
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,035 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Posted here a while. Strong anti EU feelings are met with some sort of disbelief here. I see the short term pain of brexit as a massive long term gain for mankind.

    Can you tell us more about this part?


  • #8828
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Theresa May has done everything she can to get her deal over the line. EU helped also. Cox fecked it IMO. But he is supposed to be impartial AFAIK.

    Anyway, there will be no good outcome here. As I posted last night, May should just resign and feck off up the Alps and let someone from the oppose everything crowd take over the debacle.

    But then again she is dogged and determined, and will probably keep going no matter what. I admire her for her tenacity and determination, but for not much else really. There comes a time when the PM should look at what is best for the country, not the party.

    I just cannot see an extension (if granted) meaning a whole lot really.

    So as predicted, it may very well be a No Deal, something that very few in Parliament want?

    But I am still baffled at to what the actually DO WANT. If anyone can help, that would be great.


  • #8829
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭dresden8


    No deal vote wins tomorrow.

    Extension vote passes, EU says NON!

    Parliament has blocked no deal. Parliament doesn't accept current deal.

    Logically and legally does that mean an Article 50 revocation is unavoidable?


  • #8830
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    dresden8 wrote: »
    No deal vote wins tomorrow.

    Extension vote passes, EU says NON!

    Parliament has blocked no deal. Parliament doesn't accept current deal.

    Logically and legally does that mean an Article 50 revocation is unavoidable?

    Good point. That or crash out by default.


  • #8831
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Yeah EU looks likely to reject any extension the UK propose. What is worse than an embarrassment of a ****show?


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  • #8832
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »

    But I am still baffled at to what the actually DO WANT. If anyone can help, that would be great.

    There is division within divisions for both the Tories and Labour, there is no consensus on what the UK wants.


  • #8833
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Infini


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Hmm. Influential German MEP on EU Brexit committee saying that they won't get more than 2 months. Threatening a No Deal. Looks pretty angry.

    Honestly I can understand the frustration. Fact's, Pragmatism and Responsibility have been thrown out the window in favour of pointless grandstanding and endless egotism and misinformation. I would be honest they should refuse any extension to be honest and just let them crash out. One point I seen is that we got elections on the continent (maybe one here as well at some point) as well as the EU elections and there's going to be too much going on to keep entertaining these snake oil brexiteer salesmen. They have to decide one and for all. Leave or Stay. Choose and be done with it.


  • #8834
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,143 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Nigel Dodds talking about stormont as if it's up and running.


  • #8835
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭dresden8


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Good point. That or crash out by default.

    Default crash out is a no deal crashout. Forbidden by Parliament.

    Is this the great gamble and end game?


  • #8836
    copperhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭copperhead


    Ii would be surprised if the EU caved at this stage and offered a better deal, from my limited understanding I thought iy was a good deal that was on the table, the EU cannot be seen to give too much away as it creates a dangerous precedent


  • #8837
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    dresden8 wrote: »
    No deal vote wins tomorrow.

    Extension vote passes, EU says NON!

    Parliament has blocked no deal. Parliament doesn't accept current deal.

    Logically and legally does that mean an Article 50 revocation is unavoidable?




    No. I wouldn't think so. Their Parliament saying they don't want "no deal" is just another example of them saying what they don't want rather than what they want.


    Brexit means Brexit out on their arses on 29th March is the default position unless something else happens. Doesn't matter what the talk about internally in their own parliament.


  • #8838
    Popeleo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭Popeleo


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Maybe Victorian levels of growth. Slash regulation and taxes...slash slash slash. The sole reason the EU won't budge on the backstop is to trap the UK in the CU as they know the UK will make mincemeat of them in a competitive market out there.

    Libertarian nonsense. That explains the username.


  • #8839
    Mr.Nice Guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    No chance of the EU rejecting an extension request.

    Ireland will support it, and a No Deal crash out hits Ireland worse than any member state.

    Rejecting an extension request would allow the DUP, ERG et. al continue to play the 'intransigent EU' card, and wax on about the bullies in Brussels. EU not that stupid.

    We're looking at an extension and more months of Westminster trying to put off facing reality.


  • #8840
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Can you tell us more about this part?

    I see the anti-Democratic and anti-competition the EU club has become. I am seriously concerned about its protectionist nature and its drive for centralisation. They have made no secret of their plans for a federal Europe and a single army. Merkel yesterday even suggested an EU aircraft carrier. I find this profoundly alarming and hope great nations like the US and the UK will put a stop to this expansionary ideas. I see Brexit as a significant step towards the ultimate break up of the EU to a free trade club is 28 nations with standards. That's it, that all it should ever be.


  • #8841
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Good point. That or crash out by default.

    How would that happen if Parliament voted against No Deal. Do you mean that because EU refuse to carry on the debacle (no extension), that UK will just HAVE to leave with no deal.

    My apologies, it is difficult to keep up sometimes. :confused:


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  • #8842
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Nigel Dodds is funny. Strongly says that you don't want to the take the threat of No-Deal off the table. Oblivious to the fact that the EU don't see it as a threat.


  • #8843
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    dresden8 wrote: »
    Default crash out is a no deal crashout. Forbidden by Parliament.

    Is this the great gamble and end game?

    As I understand it, if they don't revoke A50 then they automatically leave whether they voted against leaving or not.


  • #8844
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Theresa May has done everything she can to get her deal over the line. EU helped also. Cox fecked it IMO. But he is supposed to be impartial AFAIK.

    Anyway, there will be no good outcome here. As I posted last night, May should just resign and feck off up the Alps and let someone from the oppose everything crowd take over the debacle.

    But then again she is dogged and determined, and will probably keep going no matter what. I admire her for her tenacity and determination, but for not much else really. There comes a time when the PM should look at what is best for the country, not the party.

    I just cannot see an extension (if granted) meaning a whole lot really.

    So as predicted, it may very well be a No Deal, something that very few in Parliament want?

    But I am still baffled at to what the actually DO WANT. If anyone can help, that would be great.

    52/48 was never going to end well when you think about it. Especially when Brexit was nothing to do with left or right, rich or poor, white or non-white, educated or non-educated.
    The Brexit cult continues.


  • #8845
    Chong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,680 ✭✭✭Chong


    Popeleo wrote: »
    Libertarian nonsense. That explains the username.

    Sky and journalists seem hell bent no deal will be taken off the table , what is the consensus here it seems the opposite.


  • #8846
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,116 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Maybe Victorian levels of growth.

    Victorian levels of material inequality, at best.
    The sole reason the EU won't budge on the backstop is to trap the UK in the CU

    This is utter nonsense. Even if Ireland didn't exist T-May would still have lost that vote.
    as they know the UK will make mincemeat of them in a competitive market out there.

    Except Britain wouldn't be up against the EU in a race to the bottom, it would be up against regions like South East Asia. Let's just say if the Tories managed to 'slash slash slash' like excites you, well, the riots would make 2011 look like a marshmallow toasting festival.


  • #8847
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    dresden8 wrote: »
    Default crash out is a no deal crashout. Forbidden by Parliament.

    Is this the great gamble and end game?
    It cant be forbidden. It is the current path unless they change course. They've 17 days to go and It will be a no deal exit


  • #8848
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Popeleo wrote: »
    Libertarian nonsense. That explains the username.

    Seems I am allowed to be abused. Yes I am a libertarian and strong believer in free markets. You are right my interest in Crypto come from my libertarian beliefs.


  • #8849
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    dresden8 wrote: »
    No deal vote wins tomorrow.

    Extension vote passes, EU says NON!

    Parliament has blocked no deal. Parliament doesn't accept current deal.

    Logically and legally does that mean an Article 50 revocation is unavoidable?
    Or they just vote a third time and accepts May's.
    A lot of the no vote are people trying to stop/ delay brexit. So if there is no extension I think they would take Mays deal rather than crash out. Apart from Erg and DUP would anyone serioussly allow no deal to happen.


  • #8850
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,550 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    dresden8 wrote: »
    No deal vote wins tomorrow.

    Extension vote passes, EU says NON!

    Parliament has blocked no deal. Parliament doesn't accept current deal.

    Logically and legally does that mean an Article 50 revocation is unavoidable?
    Parliament can block no deal as an action of parliament. It can't stop it happening though. They're on the slope and can't get off unless they actually do something about it. Sitting there and bleating that they don't want no deal is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard. The edge is only a couple of weeks away.


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  • #8851
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    How would that happen if Parliament voted against No Deal. Do you mean that because EU refuse to carry on the debacle (no extension), that UK will just HAVE to leave with no deal.

    My apologies, it is difficult to keep up sometimes. :confused:

    That's my understanding. The default legal position is to leave without a deal as they HoC vote has no bearing on the EU or EU law. Open to correction.


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