Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

igCorcaigh · 12-03-2019 07:22PM

Who is this guy on sky news right now?

Infini · 12-03-2019 07:22PM

Round 1: May defeated 242-391. 149 Margin.

Now we move onto the next round of this endgame: Decide if they reject no deal without avoiding it (completely ignoring its the default unless A50 is withdrawn and this farce is ended). They still talking about an extention completely ignoring the small fact the EU has to agree (and doesnt have to if they dont give a damn good reason).

Hearing Teresa now she sounds pretty hoarse! O.o

lawred2 · 12-03-2019 07:22PM

No surprise there

I think TM should walk now really

For her own health if anything

Akrasia · 12-03-2019 07:22PM

briany wrote: »

How would a hard Brexiteer get to become the leader of the Tories and PM? Are there not enough MPs in the Tories who think Brexit is a bad idea to block his ascent? (e.g. Dominic Grieve).

If theres a leadership contest the parliamentary party chooses 2 candidates and the Tory party membership vote for the leader.

Could easily be a hard brexiteer as one of tge candidates

igCorcaigh · 12-03-2019 07:23PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Who is this guy on sky news right now?

Talking about monthy python

gooch2k9 · 12-03-2019 07:24PM

lawred2 wrote: »

No surprise there

I think TM should walk now really

For her own health if anything

For her own sanity. Let one of the Brexiteers take this on. They're great at slinging from the sidelines. Make them own it.

Harry Palmr · 12-03-2019 07:24PM

391
242
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149

Well that's big enough to sink May's battleship, what does she do now?

A free vote on a fundamental plank of government policy. Unprecedented

Enzokk · 12-03-2019 07:25PM

May saying she will let them vote on no-deal tomorrow. Free vote for the Tories on that tomorrow. She sounds terrible though, what a time to lose your voice.

Shelga · 12-03-2019 07:25PM

Watching May is painful. She has been one of the worst PMs in history, but human empathy means I can’t help but feel sorry for her. Pathetic and wretched.

Professor Moriarty · 12-03-2019 07:25PM

gooch2k9 wrote: »

For her own sanity. Let one of the Brexiteers take this on. They're great at slinging from the sidelines. Make them own it.

It almost certainly would be a Brexiteer.

briany · 12-03-2019 07:27PM

That's interesting - if the HoC votes against No Deal, it will be the government's policy to avoid one. What happens, then, if the Extension does not go through? If it's the government's policy to avoid No Deal, then will they, or can they, put forward a motion to revoke A50 altogether?

suicide_circus · 12-03-2019 07:28PM

Shelga wrote: »

Watching May is painful. She has been one of the worst PMs in history, but human empathy means I can’t help but feel sorry for her. Pathetic and wretched.

her task is impossible

igCorcaigh · 12-03-2019 07:28PM

Shelga wrote: »

Watching May is painful. She has been one of the worst PMs in history, but human empathy means I can’t help but feel sorry for her. Pathetic and wretched.

I actually have a lot of sympathy for her.
But she is the right person in the wrong time.

rob316 · 12-03-2019 07:29PM

May should of just resigned there and then, let someone else manage this mess.

This is just laughable.

Akrasia · 12-03-2019 07:29PM

Mays wording for tomorrows vote and free vote is loading the dice in favour of a no deal brexit.

If the house vote to leave with no deal it's binding, but if tgey vote to reject No Deal (again) its not binding, and explicitly says so

serfboard · 12-03-2019 07:29PM

lawred2 wrote: »

I think TM should walk now really

For her own health if anything

This is the only job Theresa May has ever wanted. If you were in the only job you ever wanted would you give it up easily or voluntarily?

And remember, she can't be pushed for about another nine months. So they're stuck with her unless she resigns - and the lady is not for resigning.

lawred2 · 12-03-2019 07:29PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I actually have a lot of sympathy for her.
But she is the right person in the wrong time.

I have sympathy alright but I wouldn't go so far as to ever say she is the right person for any time

Harry Palmr · 12-03-2019 07:30PM

She should resign for her own health but anyone else is even less likely to pull the fat from the fire so riven is her party.

lawred2 · 12-03-2019 07:30PM

serfboard wrote: »

This is the only job Theresa May has ever wanted. If you were in the only job you ever wanted would you give it up easily or voluntarily?

And remember, she can't be pushed for about another nine months. So they're stuck with her unless she resigns - and the lady is not for resigning.

THIS particular version of PM is not the job that anyone wanted

Enzokk · 12-03-2019 07:30PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I actually have a lot of sympathy for her.
But she is the right person in the wrong time.

Whenever I feel sad for her I think of all the Windrush generation whole lives she has ruined and it disappears very quickly.

In any case, the SNP is calling for a second referendum and Labour a General Election.

Thargor · 12-03-2019 07:31PM

I honestly thought she was about to resign or withdraw A50 there.

bear1 · 12-03-2019 07:31PM

Is a hard border looking more likely?

Laois_Man · 12-03-2019 07:32PM

There was no question May was going to lose this vote

There is also no question that tomorrow's vote will see the HoC reject the "No deal" option

The really interesting part comes after that and their stated reasons for requesting an Art. 50 extension....assuming they'll bother give some reasons.....which with the current British parliament might be a wild assumption!

devnull · 12-03-2019 07:32PM

What do we think the numbers will be like for the options that May is putting on the table?

Surely they don't have enough to actively vote for no deal, even though it might happen by default?

devnull · 12-03-2019 07:33PM

lawred2 wrote: »

THIS particular version of PM is not the job that anyone wanted

If she didn't call the election she'd not have the issue of the DUP, which is her fault.

Forcing herself into this position by poor choisces earlier are her fault.

Akrasia · 12-03-2019 07:34PM

I dont feel sorry for her at all. She explicitly refused to say she will vote against no deal tomorrow. She's playing chicken with the future of the UK and the easiest thing in the world would be for her to announce that she will support a 2nd referendum between her deal and remain. That would take no deal off the table and end all this brinkmanship

Seth Brundle · 12-03-2019 07:34PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I actually have a lot of sympathy for her.
But she is the right person in the wrong time.

She is terrible.
She is putting party before the people yet has no control over that party. She showed absolute naivety by calling a GE and by triggering Art 50 before it was decided what she wanted.
She is only still in the role because the leader of the opposition is worse than her.
I've absolutely no sympathy for her.

PeadarCo · 12-03-2019 07:34PM

gooch2k9 wrote:

For her own sanity. Let one of the Brexiteers take this on. They're great at slinging from the sidelines. Make them own it.

To be fair for all the mistakes she has made I hope she goes for her own sake. She has no authority and is pm only in name. It's painful watching her. She has been completely out of her depth. However the more it goes on I think she is typical of the current set of politicians the UK have and how little they understand the EU. This has turned into a monty python sketch long ago. Barnier's recent tweet being only another example of how out of touch most of them are. A question for people who know UK politics better was there anyone who who could have done a better job? or is May that bad.

Calltocall · 12-03-2019 07:34PM

Both leaders are just awful, out of their depth, never can I remember such a time when both leaders were so poor, Corbyn has for so long failed to capitalise on a weakened conservative party and is just not fitting as a leader

Professor Moriarty · 12-03-2019 07:36PM

Akrasia wrote: »

I dont feel sorry for her at all. She explicitly refused to say she will vote against no deal tomorrow. She's playing chicken with the future of the UK and the easiest thing in the world would be for her to announce that she will support a 2nd referendum between her deal and remain. That would take no deal off the table and end all this brinkmanship

May pandered to the Eurosceptics with her red lines. She's been hoisted with her own petard.

Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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