Is self loathing to the Irish...

Gimme A Pound · 12-03-2019 01:06PM #1

... nearly what it is to the Jewish folk?

Your Face · 12-03-2019 01:30PM

Christ

Woke Hogan · 12-03-2019 01:34PM

As my Jewish uncle in law once told me: "Jewish people are filled with guilt, Irish people are filled with shame."

freshpopcorn · 12-03-2019 01:38PM

Yes but I've seen it with other nationalities as well.

Deebles McBeebles · 12-03-2019 01:38PM

Your Face wrote: »

Christ

The Jews did a number on him, I wonder if that's where the self loathing started.

super_furry · 12-03-2019 01:48PM

Does that mean Roddy Doyle is our Woody Allen?

12-03-2019 01:52PM

Apples and oranges.

banie01 · 12-03-2019 02:18PM

Your Face wrote: »

Christ

Sure wasnt he a Jew and Irish!
The poor bollox!

Unemployed carpenter, living at home with the Ma who decides to go on a lads tour for his 30's and ends up crucified!

Technocentral · 12-03-2019 02:19PM

I hate self loathing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 12-03-2019 02:21PM

banie01 wrote: »

Sure wasnt he a Jew and Irish!
The poor bollox!

Unemployed carpenter, living at home with the Ma who decides to go on a lads tour for his 30's and ends up crucified!

Had the same idea, you did it better!

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As regards the topic: the problem both groups have is an inability to define the concept "self".

tayto lover · 12-03-2019 02:21PM

“What’s done is done and cannot be undone”
Live it up and never look back.

Feisar · 12-03-2019 02:26PM

While I view the starvation of our country the same as the holocaust, no we are not self loathing.

We were in the past to quick to doff the cap to the church/politician/local big man. I believe this is a throw back to penal times. When the British left others filled the power vacuum.

Self defeatist maybe.

jimgoose · 12-03-2019 02:28PM

Never! We would have beaten you with or without Fr. Fehily’s doping programme.

Zorya · 12-03-2019 02:43PM

Though anyone raised in the 70s, 80s and definitely before, would find it next to impossible not to have had at least some portion of self loathing battered into them, I prefer Brendan Behan's take on our similarity to the Jews, "Other people have a nationality. The Irish and the Jews have a psychosis."

Auntie Semite · 12-03-2019 02:48PM

The aversion to Gaelic names by some in the Worst name thread is a good example of Irish self loathing/Cultural cringe.

Cienciano · 12-03-2019 02:52PM

This bullshít "self loathing" thing only exists within boards.ie and specifically after hours. It doesn't exist in real life.
Any criticism of something irish, no matter how mild,gets the "self loathing" comeback from a certain section of posters.

mad muffin · 12-03-2019 02:57PM

I’m not Irish. My wife is. I have not observed any self loathing in her family or extended family. Which includes her sisters husband, and his family and their spouses.

As a matter of fact I have only noted supreme confidence and pride in being Irish.

jimgoose · 12-03-2019 02:58PM

Auntie Semite wrote: »

The aversion to Gaelic names by some in the Worst name thread is a good example of Irish self loathing/Cultural cringe.

I think people in certain parts of the country are acutely aware of the practice whereby privileged middle-class idiots (of which I am one, by the way) seek to differentiate themselves from other privileged middle-class idiots by naming their offspring Saídbh, Sneachta and Cáca-Milis Ó'Flathúleath. That isn't self-loathing, that's telling gobshites to cetch a hould o' thimselves. :pac:

Zorya · 12-03-2019 03:00PM

Cienciano wrote: »

This bullshít "self loathing" thing only exists within boards.ie and specifically after hours. It doesn't exist in real life.
Any criticism of something irish, no matter how mild,gets the "self loathing" comeback from a certain section of posters.

Oh. I didn't know that the self loathing here referred to the whole culture, I thought by ''self'' it meant the lonesome individual wracked in the dark depth of the night with anguish and horror at one's own existence, past misdeeds, present failures, and future hopelessness, the sheets a sweaty tangle of stinking despair.

But you're saying it's just that we get antsy when someone doesn't like Tayto. Oh, okay, I see.

Auntie Semite · 12-03-2019 03:02PM

jimgoose wrote: »

I think people in certain parts of the country are acutely aware of the practice whereby privileged middle-class idiots (of which I am one, by the way) seek to differentiate themselves from other privileged middle-class idiots by naming their offspring Saídbh, Sneachta and Cáca-Milis Ó'Flathúleath. That isn't self-loathing, that's telling gobshites to cetch a hould o' thimselves. :pac:

Not to derail the thread but do you hold Polish, Indians or Africans to the same standard?

Zorya · 12-03-2019 03:02PM

jimgoose wrote: »

I think people in certain parts of the country are acutely aware of the practice whereby privileged middle-class idiots (of which I am one, by the way) seek to differentiate themselves from other privileged middle-class idiots by naming their offspring Saídbh, Sneachta and Cáca-Milis Ó'Flathúleath. That isn't self-loathing, that's telling gobshites to cetch a hould o' thimselves. :pac:

Your bastard! You leave my Calóg Sneachta out of this. :mad:

jimgoose · 12-03-2019 03:04PM

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Not to derail the thread but do you hold Polish, Indians or Africans to the same standard?

Those fine people can sort out their own gobshites.

Auntie Semite · 12-03-2019 03:07PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Those fine people can sort out their own gobshites.

Did it occur to you that people might actually like Irish names? Or may wish to reconnect with their cultural or ancestral past?

Maybe their motivations are entirely benign rather than them being privileged middle-class idiots who wish to differentiate themselves from other privileged middle-class idiots.

jimgoose · 12-03-2019 03:09PM

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Did it occur to you that people might actually like Irish names? Or may wish to reconnect with their cultural or ancestral past?...

Most of the people of whom I speak would struggle to reconnect with the toilet-bowl after overdoing it at Yamamori.

Auntie Semite · 12-03-2019 03:12PM

Another example of subconscious self loathing is the prevalent assumption that Ireland is an essentially useless nation that can not function on its own and needs the help of a superior outside force to run our affairs.
"We cannot survive without the Eu" 'We would fail without them' 'We were nothing before they came along'

I call it 'battered spouse syndrome'

From the British to the Catholic Church to the Eu.

Auntie Semite · 12-03-2019 03:12PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Most of the people of whom I speak would struggle to reconnect with the toilet-bowl after overdoing it at Yamamori.

Lol perhaps you should widen your circle of friends then.

12-03-2019 03:15PM

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Another example of subconscious self loathing is the prevalent assumption that Ireland is an essentially useless nation that can not function on its own and needs the help of a superior outside force to run our affairs.
"We cannot survive without the Eu" 'We would fail without them' 'We were nothing before they came along'

I call it 'battered spouse syndrome'

From the British to the Catholic Church to the Eu.

"Essentially useless nation", you're in an audience of one.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 12-03-2019 03:22PM

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Another example of subconscious self loathing is the prevalent assumption that Ireland is an essentially useless nation that can not function on its own and needs the help of a superior outside force to run our affairs.
"We cannot survive without the Eu" 'We would fail without them' 'We were nothing before they came along'

I call it 'battered spouse syndrome'

From the British to the Catholic Church to the Eu.

The problem here is that Ireland as a country has so much potential but too much fear to turn it into results. It's more of a kept-woman than a battered spouse.

jimgoose · 12-03-2019 03:25PM

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Another example of subconscious self loathing is the prevalent assumption that Ireland is an essentially useless nation that can not function on its own and needs the help of a superior outside force to run our affairs.
"We cannot survive without the Eu" 'We would fail without them' 'We were nothing before they came along'

I call it 'battered spouse syndrome'

From the British to the Catholic Church to the Eu.

You should have a bit of faith in yourself!

Auntie Semite · 12-03-2019 03:32PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The problem here is that Ireland as a country has so much potential but too much fear to turn it into results. It's more of a kept-woman than a battered spouse.

I agree, I think Ireland has huge potential but lacks the confidence to assert itself.

super_furry · 12-03-2019 04:08PM

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Not to derail the thread but do you hold Polish, Indians or Africans to the same standard?

"Not to derail the thread, but here, let me derail the thread with some anti-foreigner nonsense."

You're getting boring at this stage.

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