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Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #8132
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,143 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    It's not clear as of now, this joint statement, and the change to the political declaration are weak sauce, there is nothing new there. The only thing that has any real potential to make a significant change is the unilateral declaration, and we have not seen that yet, presumably because the UK can't make their unilateral declaration untill it has been signed off by the EU.

    But what is the legality of a unilateral declaration? Is it just a fudge to allow UK to maintain their so called superior status or a mechanism to get the WA vote through or what.

    If there is any conflict between the unilateral declaration and the Backstop as the EU and GFA knows it, what might happen?

    I have to say I am confused now. But will hold fire for the moment.


  • #8133
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Alternative link if Parliament tv is a bit crap


    https://www.reuters.tv/l/P015/2019/03/11/uk-brexit-minister-barclay-gives-statement-to-parliament


  • #8134
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,464 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Peston saying delay in May/Juncker presser is because they are awaiting approval from all member states (i.e Ireland).


  • #8135
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,404 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Gintonious wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1105231291849551873

    If this is the case, then its dooms day tomorrow.

    Yes
    https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1105232091120320512?s=19


  • #8136
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Have a good video via Ruptly, on YouTube...type in Parliament Live.


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  • #8137
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Initial reaction from ERG is dismissive.


  • #8138
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,974 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    But what is the legality of a unilateral declaration? Is it just a fudge to allow UK to maintain their so called superior status or a mechanism to get the WA vote through or what.

    If there is any conflict between the unilateral declaration and the Backstop as the EU and GFA knows it, what might happen?

    I have to say I am confused now. But will hold fire for the moment.
    James O'Brien has it nailed really.


  • #8139
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,060 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    David Lidington seems to be trying hard to convince everyone that what has been secured is changes as May said she would get, but it seems that not a lot of people are biting.


  • #8140
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,404 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Dodds up in the commons now. edit, and very brief it was, looking for details of the agreement for analysis.


  • #8141
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Dodds up in the commons now.

    Another legal eagle.


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  • #8142
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    http://twitter.com/KevDoyle_Indo/status/1105235128689807362


  • #8143
    Mr.Nice Guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    If you were to script this in a way that would get the ERG and DUP on board, the best way to do it would be for the Irish government to call the brakes on it by "expressing reservations."

    If the DUP think Varadkar, Coveney and co. aren't happy then their support for the proposals would increase significantly.


  • #8144
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,542 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Another legal eagle.

    Oh there are many terms of endearment for Nigel Dodds but legal eagle is certainly not one of them.


  • #8145
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    But what is the legality of a unilateral declaration? Is it just a fudge to allow UK to maintain their so called superior status or a mechanism to get the WA vote through or what.

    If there is any conflict between the unilateral declaration and the Backstop as the EU and GFA knows it, what might happen?

    I have to say I am confused now. But will hold fire for the moment.

    According to Sir Edward Leigh MP, speaking in the commons a few weeks ago, a unilateral declaration made as part of the process of ratifying a treaty has legal standing in international law to the effect that unless the decleration made is outright rejected by the other party, then the decleration essentially becomes a binding part of the treaty as ratified.

    A unilateral decleration is only supposed to interperet part of a treaty, a deceleration that directly contradicts a section of the treaty presumably would be quite dubious. If for example the UK declares that "temporary" as far as the NI protocall is concerned means "lasts for 12 months" then unless the EU outright rejects that decleration and refuses to ratify the treaty on that basis, then this becomes the binding interpretation.


  • #8146
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,348 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    If as likely it doesn't get through the HOC, it will not matter.


  • #8147
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,835 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Gintonious wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1105231291849551873

    If this is the case, then its dooms day tomorrow.

    But nothing was ever going to change.. what were they actually expecting?


  • #8148
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Oh there are many terms of endearment for Nigel Dodds but legal eagle is certainly not one of them.

    He's a barrister. Amongst other things.


  • #8149
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    The HoC questions are entertaining as usual. One was a complaint that the EU will in future be able to legislate against UK interests and the UK will have no say!

    You couldn't make it up!


  • #8150
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,404 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    http://twitter.com/KevDoyle_Indo/status/1105235128689807362

    Talking to themselves came up yesterday or early this morning, it's trying to reassure itself as to the temporary-ness of the backstop.


  • #8151
    SimonTemplar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    Will the vote tomorrow be around 7:00pm like the ones a few weeks ago?


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  • #8152
    BobbyBobberson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭BobbyBobberson


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    http://twitter.com/KevDoyle_Indo/status/1105235128689807362

    I actually laughed my hole off at point 3. All of Brexit has been the UK talking to themselves.


  • #8153
    gooch2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭gooch2k9


    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    Will the vote tomorrow be around 7:00pm like the ones a few weeks ago?

    Might be delayed a bit as they have to make room for Attorney General's statement.


  • #8154
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,558 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    Will the vote tomorrow be around 7:00pm like the ones a few weeks ago?


    I think so, BBC2 are going live from House Of Commons from 7-8pm.


  • #8155
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    He's a barrister. Amongst other things.

    Don't forget, bigot.


  • #8156
    trashcan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    He's a barrister. Amongst other things.

    I've met quite a few barristers. Let's just say they are not all created equal.;)


  • #8157
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,404 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Here we go, May not looking too pleased.


  • #8158
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,558 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Sky News, CNN have press conference live, RTE might have it tomorrow.


  • #8159
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Sky News, CNN have press conference live, RTE might have it tomorrow.

    Guardian Live Feed also.


  • #8160
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,558 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Here we go, May not looking too pleased.


    Looks like a gambler on her last night in Vegas after putting it all on red and black has come out.


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  • #8161
    boggerman1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭boggerman1


    The head on the may bot.christ almighty


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