Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

banie01 · 11-03-2019 08:53PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

NIST is going to have an answer for their fraud and lies soon enough.

And how will you answer for yours?

Cheerful Spring · 11-03-2019 08:56PM

banie01 wrote: »

And how will you answer for yours?

I have lied about nothing. It will be shown soon enough you guys bought into the lies and crimes were committed by NIST and other people.

Cheerful Spring · 11-03-2019 08:59PM

You see on Metabunk and JREF forum posters trying to downplay the news the truther evidence is not been shown to a grand jury.

Cheerful Spring · 11-03-2019 09:02PM

Just for people who not aware.

Breakthrough: U.S. Attorney Agrees to Present Evidence of WTC Demolition to Federal Grand Jury

Finally, after 17 long years, the 9/11 Truth Movement has opened an avenue to prosecuting those responsible for the shocking destruction of the World Trade Center and the horrible loss of life that resulted.

Last spring, the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry — together with more than a dozen 9/11 family members and with help from AE911Truth — filed a petition with the U.S. Attorney in Manhattan demanding that he present evidence of unprosecuted federal crimes at the World Trade Center to a special grand jury. Then, in November, came the big news: The U.S. Attorney notified the Lawyers’ Committee in writing that he would comply with the provisions of 18 U.S.C. § 3332 requiring him to relay their report to a special grand jury.

Overheal · 11-03-2019 10:08PM

Huh. So they agree that there was a 'horrible loss of life' and these weren't crisis actors or people sequestered away in witness protection programs.

It's been 4 months since the last significant update. What gives?

Dohnjoe · 11-03-2019 10:20PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Truthers lawyers are producing the evidence in a court setting and be fun times watching you guys back peddle.

Doubling down I see

The court is following standard procedure under US code

"Any such attorney receiving information concerning such an alleged offense from any other person shall, if requested by such other person, inform the grand jury of such alleged offense, the identity of such other person, and such attorney’s action or recommendation."

They are celebrating a court doing what it's supposed to do. Not sure how they'll react when it's tossed out for being complete nonsense, probably claim its a big conspiracy against them

Overheal · 11-03-2019 10:23PM

I wasn't even gonna bother mentioning :P

It's about as official as Vermin Supreme filing to run for President - he has every right but no snowball's chance in hell.

Cheerful Spring · 11-03-2019 10:46PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Doubling down I see

The court is following standard procedure under US code

"Any such attorney receiving information concerning such an alleged offense from any other person shall, if requested by such other person, inform the grand jury of such alleged offense, the identity of such other person, and such attorney’s action or recommendation."

They are celebrating a court doing what it's supposed to do. Not sure how they'll react when it's tossed out for being complete nonsense, probably claim its a big conspiracy against them

Damn, right I am.

And will be glorious when it not tossed out:) Skeptics will then back peddle.

Cheerful Spring · 11-03-2019 10:50PM

Overheal wrote: »

It's been 4 months since the last significant update. What gives?

This is evidence they are looking at the allegations seriously. Big world-changing event you need to be right, you can't rush it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-03-2019 10:51PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Damn, right I am.

And will be glorious when it not tossed out:) Skeptics will then back peddle.

Mystic Timberrrrrrrr predicts some very disappointing news in your very near future.

Cheerful Spring · 11-03-2019 11:00PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Mystic Timberrrrrrrr predicts some very disappointing news in your very near future.

Dr Hulsey study is shown to the grand jury, its game over.

Dohnjoe · 11-03-2019 11:13PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Damn, right I am.

And will be glorious when it not tossed out:)

Oh I fully agree. I'd love to see the 911 stuff go to court, but it's just too unlikely. Likewise people relished when the Holocaust denier Irving ended up in court, of course in one sense it was a loss because a crank made it to court, but on the flipside his Holocaust denial nonsense got exposed for what it was and he was torn to shreds

Court is not a pleasant setting for woo merchants and conspiracy types

Dohnjoe · 11-03-2019 11:17PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Dr Hulsey study is shown to the grand jury, its game over.

Yes but you are starting to make these strange quasi-religious "predictions" which we've all seen before in various forms.

There have been more than a few posters predicting doomsday events, economic crises, immense conspiracy leaks, unraveling of society, hacks that reveal everything, etc, etc

But, quite sadly, these exciting world-changing events never come to fruition and the posters mostly just disappear or reg

Cheerful Spring · 11-03-2019 11:33PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Oh I fully agree. I'd love to see the 911 stuff go to court, but it's just too unlikely. Likewise people relished when the Holocaust denier Irving ended up in court, of course in one sense it was a loss because a crank made it to court, but on the flipside his Holocaust denial nonsense got exposed for what it was and he was torn to shreds

Court is not a pleasant setting for woo merchants and conspiracy types

David Irving denied the Holocaust and claimed the Nazis were not bad people just misunderstood. He was never going to win in an English court claiming this to be true. The camps existed there no denying this and the Nazis were anti- Jew and they labelled other minorities inferior. He was denying this criminal behaviour.

9/11 and holocaust are totally different events not similar whatsoever.

Cheerful Spring · 11-03-2019 11:39PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yes but you are starting to make these strange quasi-religious "predictions" which we've all seen before in various forms.

There have been more than a few posters predicting doomsday events, economic crises, immense conspiracy leaks, unraveling of society, hacks that reveal everything, etc, etc

But, quite sadly, these exciting world-changing events never come to fruition and the posters mostly just disappear or reg

Again I don't get your logic at all.

Please talk about the 9/11 evidence this what the thread is about.

Dohnjoe · 12-03-2019 12:00AM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Again I don't get your logic at all.

Please talk about the 9/11 evidence this what the thread is about.

We endlessly ask you about the this conspiracy theory (which changes all the time) and you ignore or deflect or play the above "games"

Here's an example

1. Who was flying the plane in your theory? name and evidence of that person

2. What speed was it going exactly, with evidence?

If you literally don't have a "conspiracy theory" what are you doing on these forums?

Again, I don't expect anything but deflection and pedantic mirrored comments

Overheal · 12-03-2019 05:11AM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This is evidence they are looking at the allegations seriously.

:rolleyes: Bless your heart. No, it isn't. It's as easily 'evidence' that it's been filed in the magazine rack in the loo. Or evidence that all the truthers who brought forth this information were swept up in black vans and replaced with life model decoys or pod people.

18 U.S. Code § 3332 only provides,

(a) It shall be the duty of each such grand jury impaneled within any judicial district to inquire into offenses against the criminal laws of the United States alleged to have been committed within that district. Such alleged offenses may be brought to the attention of the grand jury by the court or by any attorney appearing on behalf of the United States for the presentation of evidence. Any such attorney receiving information concerning such an alleged offense from any other person shall, if requested by such other person, inform the grand jury of such alleged offense [as was reported], the identity of such other person, and such attorney’s action or recommendation.

That's it. And the letter was very short and dry. "We will comply with the letter of the law" not anything like 'your evidence is serious business' or 'I will recommend action be taken,' etc. - literally, the US Attorney's Office was only required to pass the complaint to the court by law, and could have easily as part of that (again, as granted in the law) said, 'I am legally obligated to inform you of this tinfoil nonsense, I advise the court take no further action.'

And, there is no evidence there has been any additional activity. Not that you've provided, not that the ae911truth.org site has dropped confetti and streamers from the ceiling for, or to ask for more donations based upon thereof. Nothing. Evidently it has been radio silence from the US Attorney's office and the Court in question. I imagine this will be the case for months if not years, in the intervening time truthers will interpret it similarly to you - 'oh, it must be a good sign,' until that sentiment devolves to 'wtf is going on' to 'the courts are in on the conspiracy - maybe we should donate more money!'

Until there is actually something truly substantial, beware errant juniper bushes and discarded sandals.

Dohnjoe · 11-08-2019 01:28PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

How many of you are aware a helicopter was spotted at the heliport near the west wall of the Pentagon? CNN first broadcast of the attack, the reporter said seven eyewitnesses told him they saw a helicopter and then moments later a explosion occurred.

This helicopter incident is scrubbed from the official record. 9/11 commission report made no mention of it and yet multiple eyewitnesses just a few minutes after the attack told reporters they saw it before the explosion.

Source?

Cheerful Spring2 · 11-08-2019 01:46PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Source?

58 minutes listen there. I heard similar reports on other news stations. This incident totally scrubbed from the official record. Why was it there?

smurfjed · 11-08-2019 01:52PM

Is there any helicopter capable of firing a missile capable of doing that level of damage?

11-08-2019 01:58PM

smurfjed wrote: »

Is there any helicopter capable of firing a missile capable of doing that level of damage?

Nope.
So obviously it was carrying the space laser targeting device.

Overheal · 11-08-2019 02:00PM

smurfjed wrote: »

Is there any helicopter capable of firing a missile capable of doing that level of damage?

None whatsoever. And you’d be able to immediately distinguish between a armed helicopter and an unarmed helicopter. Not to mention anything big enough to do that kind of damage would have an advertised smoke trail back to the firing platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._helicopter_armament_subsystems

Dohnjoe · 11-08-2019 02:10PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

58 minutes listen there. I heard similar reports on other news stations. This incident totally scrubbed from the official record. Why was it there?

Probably a helicopter going to the army helipad in the Pentagon. What relevance is it?

At 1h05m they mention a white jet over the White House, same thing, what relevance is it?

At 1h08m a witness claimed "whole building just exploded", no building was entirely destroyed by that time, so why would they say that? what relevance is it?

At 1h09m, reporter describes a "huge explosion", there wasn't one it was tower one collapsing

Live chaotic news on an extraordinary day. A lot of rumours, mistakes, speculation and irrelevant information.

The Nal · 11-08-2019 03:39PM

Helicopters near helipads. Wow!

Cheerful Spring2 · 11-08-2019 04:11PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Probably a helicopter going to the army helipad in the Pentagon. What relevance is it?

At 1h05m they mention a white jet over the White House, same thing, what relevance is it?

At 1h08m a witness claimed "whole building just exploded", no building was entirely destroyed by that time, so why would they say that? what relevance is it?

At 1h09m, reporter describes a "huge explosion", there wasn't one it was tower one collapsing

Live chaotic news on an extraordinary day. A lot of rumours, mistakes, speculation and irrelevant information.

The helicopter was witnessed circling the area where the plane hit. And the reporter said a number of witnesses said it landed. The heliport is located on the same side of the Pentagon where the plane hit.

Never has been any official explantation why a helicopter was there in this area just before the explosion. It not false report CNN spoke to people who were outside the Pentagon before the attack, and plenty of people saw a military-style helicopter.

There was a white Jet above the White House, this was captured on TV. It was most likely a US military AWACS aircraft.

People define things differently. One Witness saying the whole building exploded, is just something they said in a panic. If they were on the ground looking up at it, the big fireball, you lose you mind and senses.

11-08-2019 04:13PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The helicopter was witnessed circling the area where the plane hit. And the reporter said a number of witnesses said it landed. The heliport is located on the same side of the Pentagon where the plane hit.

Never has been any official explantation why a helicopter was there in this area

There's no conspiracy explanation though.

Cheerful Spring2 · 11-08-2019 04:19PM

The Nal wrote: »

Helicopters near helipads. Wow!

On another day not suspicious, on 9/11 and couple of minutes before the attack explantation is needed.

11-08-2019 04:37PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

On another day not suspicious, on 9/11 and couple of minutes before the attack explantation is needed.

But you don't have a conspiracy explanation.
So therefore, by your logic, the conspiracy theory is bull****...

The Nal · 11-08-2019 04:48PM

There were cars spotted in the carpark in the area too!

Skeptics of course ignore this.

Cheerful Spring2 · 12-08-2019 12:30AM

smurfjed wrote: »

Is there any helicopter capable of firing a missile capable of doing that level of damage?

I fairly certain you will find military helicopters that can fire a missile. Helicopters were capable of firing missiles during the first Gulf war in 1991.There no evidence here a helicopter launched a missile.

Some people on here though will ignore a military style Helicopter was seen flying low to the ground where the impact occurred on 9/11.. No mention anywhere what it was doing. Explantation would be nice.

I don't believe they have no footage of the alleged plane. Perhaps this helicopter was doing something they want to keep a secret. I took these screenshots from a Youtube video and you clearly see the cameras on the roof. Cameras recording nothing too convenient for my liking.

Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

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