Gardaí contact Louth family after Irish woman is detained in Syria

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

She is a Irish Citizen first and foremost. Unlike this girl from UK, Lisa is sadly ours and ours only and we will have take her back. Hopefully she tell all and it can be got to bottom off.

Leaver her to die in whatever hole she's in.

No ones going to lose an election over her death.

SoundsRight wrote: »

Gardai don't seem to have the same sort of helplines on their website as UK police for getting advice on a relative converting to Islam. Hopefully this case will have pushed them into action.

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"THE Irishwoman detained in Syria on suspicion of Isis membership will be allowed to return because it is the “compassionate thing” to do, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said.

Mr Varadkar has moved to assure the public that a full security assessment will take place before Lisa Smith is allowed back into the country.

But he said as an Irish citizen, she will not be left to fend for herself in one of the world’s most war torn regions.

Independent.ie broke the extraordinary story of Ms Smith last Friday, revealing how she was a member of the Irish Defence Forces before converting to Islam and emigrating to Syria."


Going to Syria or going to live in what was called Islamic State is not in itself an offence or a crime. So we will need to carry out an investigation.



https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/the-compassionate-thing-to-do-isil-suspect-lisa-smith-will-be-allowed-return-home-taoiseach-confirms-37899943.htm


lt's fine lads she only Emigrated to Syria

SaifUllah wrote: »

What ISIS do is no worse than what the Irish Catholic priests are doing - yes all of them are at it.

Why do people tar all Islamists with the same brush as ISIS ?

How the fook is this shyte tolerated ?

Seriously why is it ok to say what you want about catholics, but fooking hell if you dare say anything about islam. :rolleyes:

Gatling wrote: »

For some reason I can imagine an TV ad calling for help with homeless jihadis

Just give €2 and you can help home a homeless jihadi

You can get a NATO 5.56 round for $0.18, so you can deal with 12 jihadists for €2

Not bad value there.

TomSweeney wrote: »

Agree, but looking at his posts, it seems to be a parody account, not a very good one mind ... but parody all the same - I like to _hope_ no one in the west could actually have that opinion

But how the hell is that tolerated here?
Just say something equivalent about islam and imams and watch the wall of abuse you get and the warnings from the mods.

And yes European countries do have ISIS supporters that see us all as expendable because of our lack of belief in their version of sky fairy.

And Ireland is no different to the rest of Europe.

The real twist is that the left leaning feminists, LGBTers, etc that are always offering excuses for the excesses of extreme and even mainstream islam would the very first to be targeted.

Who'll get the interview - Tubridy or D'arcy?

SoundsRight wrote: »

At what point should we be concerned? When they convert? When they wear a full length burka? When they go on holiday to Syria? Better to be safe than sorry.

You want people to report anyone who converts to islam? That's definitely one of the more bizarre suggestions I've seen here.

SoundsRight wrote: »

The security forces need to know if they're converting of their own free will or if they've been groomed by terrorists. Let's not pretend it isn't happening.

Is there any suggestion that she was groomed? She had spent nearly 10 years in the defence forces before she converted. She wasn't a child.

Grayson wrote: »

ehhh. no.

She's an Irish citizen. If she wants to return she should be allowed to. If she committed crimes then she should be tried.

Plus there's the flip side. She's our responsibility. Could you imagine if we tried to deport criminals and every other country decided that they didn't want them, they revoke their citizenship and say they're our problem. We have a responsibility to take them back, just as other countries have a responsibility to take back their citizens when we deport them.

If she's committed a crime in a particular country she should be tried in that Country.
Its highly unlikely that anything can be proven about crimes that happened in a country / warzone thousands of miles away who don't have a functioning government.
ISIS should be listed as a proscribed organisation and anyone found to have joined it should be tried as would someone accused of IRA membership.

SoundsRight wrote: »

Adults can be groomed too. No woman wakes up in the morning and decides to become a Jihadi bride.

Is that what happened? She just woke up one morning and decided to become a jihadi bride?

Deleted User wrote: »

Since I don't believe any sane person could ever convert to Wahhabism by themselves, I'd say they should be reported since it's almost certainly grooming. For Sunni, Shia etc., no, that's not a reporting matter since those are normal religions that pretty much every Muslim we know is a part of.

Before you go calling me a Fascist, address Wahhabism first.

The poster I was replying to said islam. Not any of the strict versions, just islam. And they said anyone who converts should be reported. That is bizarre. So by bring up wahhabism you're shifting the goalposts.

Also Wahhabist are Sunni. Or at least they generally consider themselves Sunni. So when you say Sunni is ok, you're including Wahhabism. That's a minor thing though.

I do believe that anyone following any religion, especially one who converts as an adult is missing a few screws. And especially when someone converts to a stricter/more extreme version. So if someone converts to a strict christian sect or jewish or muslim sect, it's a bit stranger.

But no, I don't think they should be reported just for converting. If someone suspects grooming, they should report that. If they suspect the new convert is violent or holds violent thought, report that.

(As a side note, what is considered grooming when it comes to religion. If it's trying to convince someone to join your faith, then aren't all religions guilty of that to some extent?)