Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2019 06:07PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I have provided evidence plenty of times over the year.

You haven't.

1. Who was flying your plane?

2. What speed was it doing when it hit the Pentagon?

Cheerful Spring · 10-03-2019 06:08PM

The Nal wrote: »

How do you explain away all of the eye witnesses?

I don't, a plane was seen. The northside side witnesses saw the plane it was not a missile or a hologram Northside plane hit the Pentagon. There no reason to believe the northside plane flew past the Pentagon.

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 06:08PM

Interesting video, thanks for sharing.

Overheal · 10-03-2019 06:11PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Not true because Strut debated using his own acccount on the pilot for truth. You can see him debating his evidence and was not good for him.

Not good for him... how?

These threads aren’t good for you.

That he didn’t manage to convert a bunch of die-hard truthers about reality doesn’t mean dick.

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 06:11PM

Look at page 24 of the FDR readout, it shows the aircraft turning prior to those last seconds, yet neither of those two witnesses said anything about a turn? How come?

Cheerful Spring · 10-03-2019 06:13PM

Overheal wrote: »

Not good for him... how?

These threads aren’t good for you.

That he didn’t manage to convert a bunch of die-hard truthers about reality doesn’t mean dick.

Why don't you see for yourself why? I provided the links to every debate.

martingriff · 10-03-2019 06:13PM

The Nal wrote: »

The real flight 77 flew over the Pentagon. This wouldve been seen by a few hundred people. All part of the plot. It then landed safely somewhere else and the passengers were then either murdered or put into some sort of witness protection type thing and are there to this day.

At the exact point when the plane flew over, "they" flew a missile or another plane into the Pentagon, quickly ran about knocking down lamposts and a tree, scattering plane parts and pieces of human bodies about the place and the 100 odd witnesses in various locations were all planted by the government. They somehow made sure that not one regular citizen was in the vicinity at the time.

Wake up.

You forgot that they managed to keep all these people quiet all this time

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 06:13PM

Does anyone have a link to the FDR CSV file rather than a plotted PDF document?

Overheal · 10-03-2019 06:13PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Why don't you see for yourself why? I provided the links to every debate.

Because it means precisely dick.

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2019 06:14PM

Overheal wrote: »

Not good for him... how?

These threads aren’t good for you.

That he didn’t manage to convert a bunch of die-hard truthers about reality doesn’t mean dick.

Yup, plus the international skeptic thread is up to date, there's no confusion over this

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66047&page=109

Cheerful Spring · 10-03-2019 06:16PM

smurfjed wrote: »

Look at page 24 of the FDR readout, it shows the aircraft turning prior to those last seconds, yet neither of those two witnesses said anything about a turn? How come?

Their location was the Cisco petrol station. Further, up ahead of this the plane did a bank to the right to hit the Pentagon. There more eyewitnesses I provide the video if you need it?

Overheal · 10-03-2019 06:19PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Their location was the Cisco petrol station. Further, up ahead of this the plane did a bank to the right to hit the Pentagon. There more eyewitnesses I provide the video if you need it?

Care to draw this alleged flight path?

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2019 06:23PM

Incoming maps with childlike mspaint red and green lines drawn all over them

10-03-2019 06:25PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Incoming maps with childlike mspaint red and green lines drawn all over them

Unless it's the one he stole from other conspiracy theorists who disagree with his version of the conspiracy entirely.

Overheal · 10-03-2019 06:27PM

King Mob wrote: »

Unless it's the one he stole from other conspiracy theorists who disagree with his version of the conspiracy entirely.

Bingo. “Here’s evidence from these guys who are establishing that my version of the conspiracy is pure bunk”

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 06:27PM

So how did the NTSB plot their route? Radar or the INS positions shown in the FDR? Remembering TRANSPORT ERROR, that unfortunately wouldn't have given them a good starting point.

10-03-2019 06:29PM

smurfjed wrote: »

So how did the NTSB plot their route? Radar or the INS positions shown in the FDR? Remembering TRANSPORT ERROR, that unfortunately wouldn't have given them a good starting point.

In the animation, it uses the data from the FDR.

The Nal · 10-03-2019 06:40PM

Im not sure what his theory is here? A plane did hit the Pentagon but came from a different direction, despite a hundred eye witnesses seeing it hit the building and many many more who saw the plane and its flight path?

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 06:40PM

it uses the data from the FDR.

Which uses the INS, so the margin of error is huge. It's not really a reliable source of position strange as that may sound

Old Irish exams, we used to have to draw and annotate a working 3 ring gyro INS and explain how it works

10-03-2019 06:41PM

The Nal wrote: »

Im not sure what his theory is here? A plane did hit the Pentagon but came from a different direction, despite a hundred eye witnesses seeing it hit the building and many many more who saw the plane and its flight path?

That's pretty much it.

10-03-2019 06:43PM

smurfjed wrote: »

Which uses the INS, so the margin of error is huge. It's not really a reliable source of position strange as that may sound

Old Irish exams, we used to have to draw and annotate a working 3 ring gyro INS and explain how it works

Be prepared for Cheerful to tell you how much more of an expert he is about that than you are.

Overheal · 10-03-2019 06:46PM

King Mob wrote: »

Be prepared for Cheerful to tell you how much more of an expert he is about that than you are.

Or to refer you to a thread where a skeptic was trolled with memes to prove the truthers are right.

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 06:52PM

you how much more of an expert he is about that than you are.

I have so much to learn about this trade of mine so I would for him to educate me.

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 07:02PM

Finally got my hands on the B757-200 Airplane Flight Manual (AFM), it doesn't provide a Velocity Never Exceed (VNE) but it does have the Velocity Maximum Operating (VMO) which is 350 KIAS.

Boeing would have designed the aircraft to achieve a Flutter Speed, so let's say that's 10-20% higher than the VMO, you end up with 385-420 KIAS as tested speeds, therefore 462 KIAS doesn't sound so unrealistic thanks to Mr Gravity.

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 07:05PM

Getting back to the police video, they stated that the aircraft was 150 feet when it passed them, but getting back to the FDR, there was no level flight segment in the last seconds and the level flight segment prior to that was MUCH higher than 150 feet.

Somehow their statements seem unrealistic.

banie01 · 10-03-2019 07:10PM

smurfjed wrote: »

Finally got my hands on the B757-200 Airplane Flight Manual (AFM), it doesn't provide a Velocity Never Exceed (VNE) but it does have the Velocity Maximum Operating (VMO) which is 350 KIAS.

Boeing would have designed the aircraft to achieve a Flutter Speed, so let's say that's 10-20% higher than the VMO, you end up with 385-420 KIAS as tested speeds, therefore 462 KIAS doesn't sound so unrealistic thanks to Mr Gravity.

Not a pro pilot but if memory serves isn't there a deliberate FAA margin of 20% between VNE and the onset of flutter?
Agreeing with you of course, buy surprised the AFM doesn't have a VNE.
Although it would likely be similar to 767 maybe?
As they are a common type rating?

Wouldn't at all be surprised if it is demanded that you get the manual for an actual -223 tho

:pac:

Overheal · 10-03-2019 07:12PM

Plus how did they gauge this height? Humans are as always, not the best optical measurement devices. Did they whip out a laser rangefinder? The radar gun? Or did they just guesstimate how high up a rapidly moving object was? One which they have no experience in rangefinding to (a passenger jet).

The Nal · 10-03-2019 08:15PM

King Mob wrote: »

That's pretty much it.

Well thats the confusing part. Hundreds of people in the area. 104 people saw the plane crash. Loads more in the area. Not one person saw a large airliner flying low and miss the Pentagon and then fly away.

Thats the confusing part. The hundreds of eye witnesses.

Cheerful Spring · 10-03-2019 08:47PM

smurfjed wrote: »

Which uses the INS, so the margin of error is huge. It's not really a reliable source of position strange as that may sound

Old Irish exams, we used to have to draw and annotate a working 3 ring gyro INS and explain how it works

NTSB plotted the direction of the plane using the raw file from the FDR. If the time and position were off would this not have got mentioned by now? The plane arrived at the Pentagon at the correct time.

Am I fairly certain they collaborate the data to the radar returns that day and air traffic control records? I not a pilot, just assuming this is true?

Overheal · 10-03-2019 09:00PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

NTSB plotted the direction of the plane using the raw file from the FDR. If the time and position were off would this not have got mentioned by now? The plane arrived at the Pentagon at the correct time.

Am I fairly certain they collaborate the data to the radar returns that day and air traffic control records? I not a pilot, just assuming this is true?

Just assuming alright.

Now I know you read the paper I linked to earlier,

Position off: mentioned

Time off: mentioned

Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

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