Will television survive?

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 01:13PM

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

There used to be a band called pop will eat itself.

T.V is currently eating itself.

The standard of content has clearly decreased and shpws no signs of recovery

You do know this is considered the golden age of TV, where once A list stars avoided tv series they now have household names.

Irish Guitarist · 09-03-2019 01:56PM

I bought a Roku a couple of years ago. I watch television but it's internet content being broadcast on a television screen. In the last two years I think I've watched less than 20 hours of traditional telly.

Having said that I'm now running out of decent stuff to watch on Netflix and it's not that easy to get any other internet channels in Ireland. I got a free trial of Amazon Video a couple of years ago and I think there was something like three titles available. I don't know if it's improved any since then.

paleoperson · 09-03-2019 04:19PM

Streams versus channels? They're the same thing except one is specified as through the internet. IPTV is based on streams but it's considered tv. I have IPTV as well as satellite, terrestrial, vod and a usb drive. I can flick to an one of them and there's very little difference between any of them.

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 04:45PM

greencap wrote: »

Yes, there will continue to be a 'main screen'.

There is a need for a central screen for group gawping at low quality nonsense, and for viewing each others boring cringey pointless recordings and photos.

The tv screen will just adapt to information tech, so smart-tv's doubling as computers.

tl;dr hybrid computer-televisions will become the norm. youtube, amazon, etc, and desktop apps on the big screen in your sitting room.

thats literally how it is already

what new TV isnt a smart TV these days?

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 04:47PM

lmao @ old lads thinking TV is dead

Its adapted to the new age, gramps. We've more content and more viewers and its better than ever

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-03-2019 04:56PM

If I didn't have a TV in my house I wouldn't miss it. Its only used for Netflix and the International Judo Federation puts their competitions on youtube in HD so its nice to watch that.

Other than that everything is streamed to my laptop or phone.

Will the laptop kill the home desktop computer?.

paleoperson · 09-03-2019 05:19PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

thats literally how it is already

what new TV isnt a smart TV these days?

You don't need a smart TV, you need a good receiver. I've been using my vu+ solo2 for the past ~5 years to do all the above, you can watch youtube and other stuff on it as well. I would have no use for a smart tv.

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 06:13PM

paleoperson wrote: »

You don't need a smart TV, you need a good receiver. I've been using my vu+ solo2 for the past ~5 years to do all the above, you can watch youtube and other stuff on it as well. I would have no use for a smart tv.

This the one?

http://sat-planet.ie/satellite-tv/receivers/vu-solo2-linux-satellite-receiver-100-original

You can buy a smart TV for that price man. Would you not just use the money to buy a 4k HDR smart TV?

paleoperson · 09-03-2019 08:30PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

This the one?

http://sat-planet.ie/satellite-tv/receivers/vu-solo2-linux-satellite-receiver-100-original

You can buy a smart TV for that price man. Would you not just use the money to buy a 4k HDR smart TV?

Well first of all like I said I bought mine about 5 years ago when it was pretty much the same price. There are newer models now and obviously they do 4k and are better. I actually got a black market chinese clone knockoff so it was even cheaper again - around the €200 mark.

Secondly, you'll definitely have no satellite receiver which is a big part of the value of the vu. Satellite is great for switching channels without delay or as a backup for if you're skint or your IPTV gets cut-off. IPTV is never completely reliable and the picture quality is noticeably worse. I looked around for IPTV on smart tvs and yes apparently it can be done but these boxes have linux systems where you can do everything at a low level. For example you can set up radio stations that have an internet stream to appear as channels.

Also there's a lot of ram and processor speed in the boxes that can't be in the smart tv so easily, like what is speed and ram of it? It can't be that good as there's been a bottleneck in computers in recent years and ram/speed increases are not very good.

Does it have how you have one channel on in the corner while browsing through the epgs of others? I couldn't ever live without that. Does it have instantaneous switching, recording a few different channels at a time, playing files off your computer over wifi, files you're recording appearing on your computer drive over wifi, etc. Can it play all file and stream types? I severely doubt it can do all of that just as quick, something is going to give somewhere. I've had boxes before that would freeze or just be kind of slow in switching.

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 09:00PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Well first of all like I said I bought mine about 5 years ago when it was pretty much the same price. There are newer models now and obviously they do 4k and are better. I actually got a black market chinese clone knockoff so it was even cheaper again - around the €200 mark.

Secondly, you'll definitely have no satellite receiver which is a big part of the value of the vu. Satellite is great for switching channels without delay or as a backup for if you're skint or your IPTV gets cut-off. IPTV is never completely reliable and the picture quality is noticeably worse. I looked around for IPTV on smart tvs and yes apparently it can be done but these boxes have linux systems where you can do everything at a low level. For example you can set up radio stations that have an internet stream to appear as channels.

Also there's a lot of ram and processor speed in the boxes that can't be in the smart tv so easily, like what is speed and ram of it? It can't be that good as there's been a bottleneck in computers in recent years and ram/speed increases are not very good.

Does it have how you have one channel on in the corner while browsing through the epgs of others? I couldn't ever live without that. Does it have instantaneous switching, recording a few different channels at a time, playing files off your computer over wifi, files you're recording appearing on your computer drive over wifi, etc. Can it play all file and stream types? I severely doubt it can do all of that just as quick, something is going to give somewhere. I've had boxes before that would freeze or just be kind of slow in switching.

I know nothing about satellite TVs man. But to give an answer, my smart TV streams 4K content from the web with no hiccups. I imagine its also of higher bit rate than satellite TV

greencap · 09-03-2019 09:06PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

thats literally how it is already

what new TV isnt a smart TV these days?

i dont know, i don't have a smart tv. :eek:

r93kaey5p2izun · 09-03-2019 09:10PM

My tv service is being switched off on Monday and has been significantly reduced for the past few months already. Thought I'd miss my lost channels more than I actually do. I tried the Netflix trial but there was little I'd be bothered with. I will probably just make do with the rte and Virgin Media players. I wish you could even pay for access to the bbc iplayer for their drama content. Most people seem to watch more tv than ever now though so I don't think it's dying, just adapting.

paleoperson · 09-03-2019 09:17PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

I know nothing about satellite TVs man. But to give an answer, my smart TV streams 4K content from the web with no hiccups. I imagine its also of higher bit rate than satellite TV

You can "imagine" all you want but there is no way it could be of anything approaching satellite bitrate. The satellite bitrate is set by the channel. When you stream anything, even SD, it will invariably be of a lower bitrate than satellite because bandwidth is so costly. That's a main advantage of satellite and why watching sports from internet streams is bad by comparison.

Even if you somehow in Ireland have the ability to stream 4k like that they wouldn't have it at that high a quality for the majority.

Balanadan · 09-03-2019 09:17PM

I’ve lived for large parts of my adult life without a tv and never missed it in the slightest. Too busy to watch it. There’s never much on anyway to be honest about it. Unless you make it a social event by watching a series together, it can act as a barrier to communication.

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 09:31PM

paleoperson wrote: »

You can "imagine" all you want but there is no way it could be of anything approaching satellite bitrate. The satellite bitrate is set by the channel. When you stream anything, even SD, it will invariably be of a lower bitrate than satellite because bandwidth is so costly. That's a main advantage of satellite and why watching sports from internet streams is bad by comparison.

Even if you somehow in Ireland have the ability to stream 4k like that they wouldn't have it at that high a quality for the majority.

Dunno what you mean, 4K streaming is pretty standard nowadays. Maybe not for everyone but 150 Mbps does me fine for netflix.

You reckon 1080p on satellite is better than 4k streaming?

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 09:32PM

greencap wrote: »

i dont know, i don't have a smart tv. :eek:

I can get you free satellite TV if you want (;

Lord Glentoran · 09-03-2019 09:34PM

Yes it will. As long as there is BBC Four and most of BBC Two.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2019 09:35PM

River Colossal Ruby wrote: »

My tv service is being switched off on Monday and has been significantly reduced for the past few months already. Thought I'd miss my lost channels more than I actually do. I tried the Netflix trial but there was little I'd be bothered with. I will probably just make do with the rte and Virgin Media players. I wish you could even pay for access to the bbc iplayer for their drama content. Most people seem to watch more tv than ever now though so I don't think it's dying, just adapting.

I have an add-on for Chrome browser that allows me to watch iPlayer. I am almost sure it is legal but won't post the link to it here, just in case. PM me if you want a link to it.

Re; the future of telly. I regularly have the house full of teenager friends of my kids and none of them watch telly - ever.
Serious problems for television execs in the future imo.

JDxtra · 09-03-2019 09:40PM

Ads on pay TV and standard definition channels are adding to its downfall. Netflix and other streaming service win hands down in terms of quality.

Saorview is a joke, very poor quality broadcast standards and a lack of content.

JDxtra · 09-03-2019 09:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have an add-on for Chrome browser that allows me to watch iPlayer. I am almost sure it is legal but won't post the link to it here

It's not.

paleoperson · 09-03-2019 09:44PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

You reckon 1080p on satellite is better than 4k streaming?

Yes, but it may not be noticeable. Netflix are certainly going to have high quality streaming. Most tv streams (especially illegal ones) are taken from satellite feeds. The difference between 1080p and 4k is barely noticeable, meanwhile you can often tell streaming from satellite. This is notoriously the case for sports and high paced action while tv shows can be fine with lower bit rates.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2019 09:45PM

JDxtra wrote: »

It's not.

Surprised it is in the Chrome store. Have you a link to any info on it?

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 09:47PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Yes, but it may not be noticeable. The difference between 1080p and 4k is barely noticeable, meanwhile you can often tell streaming from satellite. This is notoriously the case for sports and high paced action while tv shows can be fine with lower bit rates.

I disagree on the 4k being not noticeable. Theres a huge difference, though my vision is 20/20.

Its a dubious claim, IMHO that 1080p on satellite is better than 4k on streaming considering my internet speed is at physical media levels.

It seems to me the only people claiming 4k is not much better than 1080p are old lads or people with eyesight issues.

brookers · 09-03-2019 09:50PM

I come from a tv family, we lived in the country and had only two channels, I loved so much, top cat, tom and jerry, land of the giants, dallas, hated glenroe, felt sad when it came on as still hadnt done any study, the waltons, little house on the prairie, questions and answers with john bowman. My kids have no clue about tv, they just dont have the same tv culture i had, i feel they are missing out, they dont know any of the great movies, how green is my valley, all the lassie movies, brady bunch etc.....where eagles dare, all the great westerns, hawaii 50, i could go on and on, all they want is tablets and games....not interested in tv at all.....

DS86DS · 09-03-2019 09:54PM

Have a 4K TV. Only thing I watch on it is Netflix and YouTube, streamed through Chromecast from the phone.

Haven't even bothered with a satellite subscription in years. And why would I, just for Liberal and pro-Globalism propaganda or brain rotting morning talkshow sh!te?

I've learned more off of YouTube than I've ever learned off of Soros funded propaganda in the mainstream media. This is the age of the small guy been given a chance.

Naos · 09-03-2019 09:55PM

Lorelli! wrote: »

I hope it does. Tv imo is more social. Couch potato has taken on a new level. Years ago you had to watch what was on and you only had so many channels so you all watched it together, you compromised and you anticipated programmes.

Good point.

I came into work the day after the MJ documentary on CH4, no one else had watched it. If that was even 5 years ago, you could bet half the team would have watched it.

OneArt · 09-03-2019 10:34PM

My family never watched Glenroe (maybe once or twice) so thankfully the theme song doesn't affect me.

Instead, I associate the whole "you've got school tomorrow" chills with the Antiques Roadshow's theme tune since my mother liked to watch it on Sunday evening. The music often conjures memories of her shouting and screaming at us to make sure we had all our uniforms/book etc ready for the morning.

THAT music will haunt me forever.

paleoperson · 09-03-2019 10:47PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

I disagree on the 4k being not noticeable. Theres a huge difference, though my vision is 20/20.

Its a dubious claim, IMHO that 1080p on satellite is better than 4k on streaming considering my internet speed is at physical media levels.

It seems to me the only people claiming 4k is not much better than 1080p are old lads or people with eyesight issues.

Good joke.

paleoperson · 09-03-2019 10:49PM

DS86DS wrote: »

Have a 4K TV. Only thing I watch on it is Netflix and YouTube, streamed through Chromecast from the phone.

Haven't even bothered with a satellite subscription in years. And why would I, just for Liberal and pro-Globalism propaganda or brain rotting morning talkshow sh!te?

I've learned more off of YouTube than I've ever learned off of Soros funded propaganda in the mainstream media. This is the age of the small guy been given a chance.

You don't need a satellite subscription to watch most news satellite channels like RT HD, not exactly a stronghold of Soros propaganda.

AMKC · 09-03-2019 10:59PM

Yes TV will survive but no doubt in 50 years time it will be very different. Some of the station's around now do might not survive.

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