Hot take: Multiculturalism is good

gozunda · 09-03-2019 02:19AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

So you define multiculturalism in your 'insular' way as mass migration?You're using weird mental gymnastics and illogical 'insular' statements (one that leads to obvious answers, but have no actual theoretical values)I'm asking you, are there any successful insular nations today?Or is interdependence and exchange of peoples and ideas is how humanity has operated since forever?

Nope. Btw you're the one going on about 'insular' for some reason. Note: Multiculturalism is not defined by any dictionary as the the "spread of ideas and peoples" (sic).

Again as to what was asked:

your statement

The vast majority of people accept multiculturalism as a net positive lad.

The question

Who do? Where? Please provide accurate figures to show that is so.

An answer to that. Thanks.

Sunny88 · 09-03-2019 02:22AM

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Btw youre the one rabbititing on about 'insular' for some reason.

Again as to what was asked:

your statement

The question

An answer to that. Thanks.

Go over to Rotherham and ask them for their opinion

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 02:23AM

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Btw youre the one rabbititing on about 'insular' for some reason.

Again as to what was asked:

your statement

The question

An answer to that. Thanks.

Mate how are you not getting what im saying. Its the default state of humanity. People are open to other people and their ideals. Your denial of this is actually insane.

Was your laptop made in Ireland? Was your car? Your favorite movie?Statistically speaking not even your DNA is from Ireland.

So how can you deny that you do not accept multiculturalism when nothing about you was made in a vacuum?

And stop with the wordplay and mental gymnastics.

gozunda · 09-03-2019 02:30AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Mate how are you not getting what im saying. Its the default state of humanity. People are open to other people and their ideals. Your denial of this is actually insane....

Your definition of 'multiculturism' has already been shown by any number of posters to be like a lady of the night's lacy underwear- flimsy and full of holes ...

Hmmm your refusal to answer the question asked is very very strange indeed. You are babbling - so let's keep it simple.

Your statement:

The vast majority of people accept multiculturalism as a net positive lad.

The question:

Who do? Where? Please provide accurate figures to show that is so.

An answer to the actual question asked. Thanks.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 09-03-2019 02:33AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

So you define multiculturalism in your 'insular' way as mass migration?

That’s basically how it’s defined, to become multicultural a nation needs migration.

You're using weird mental gymnastics and illogical 'insular' statements (one that leads to obvious answers, but have no actual theoretical values)

I'm asking you, are there any successful insular nations today?

Or is interdependence and exchange of peoples and ideas is how humanity has operated since forever?

Ill answer it for you:

There are no successful insular nations today. Every nation has had it's success due to the exchange of ideas and peoples. Every.

Japan is pretty successful. China is successful. Korea is successful.

The exchange of ideas isn’t the definition of multi culturalism. In fact as I explained earlier even immigrant countries didn’t call themselves multi cultural until the past generation. The US preferred to call itself a melting pot, ie immigrants melted into the existing culture.

gozunda · 09-03-2019 02:35AM

Sunny88 wrote: »

Go over to Rotherham and ask them for their opinion

Great first post btw!

Franz Von Peppercorn · 09-03-2019 02:37AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Mate how are you not getting what im saying. Its the default state of humanity. People are open to other people and their ideals. Your denial of this is actually insane.

Was your laptop made in Ireland? Was your car? Your favorite movie?Statistically speaking not even your DNA is from Ireland.

So how can you deny that you do not accept multiculturalism when nothing about you was made in a vacuum?

And stop with the wordplay and mental gymnastics.

You realise you are defining your own version of multiculturalism here (again). Apparently free trade is multiculturalism. It isn’t.

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 02:37AM

gozunda wrote: »

Your definition of 'multiculturism' has already be shown to be like a lady of the night's underwear- full of holes and flimsy ...

Hmmm your refusal to answer the question asked is very very strange indeed. You are babbling - so let's keep it simple.

Your statement:

The question:

An answer to the actual question asked. Thanks.

I've answered your question 10 times since page one lol.

Literally every nation that has ever existed participated in multiculturalism. You're doing the Alex Jones thing of asking like a really nonsensical rhetoric and thinking you're smart because you keep repeating it.

But i'll repeat. Every nation that has every existed has participated in multiculturalism and has benefitted from it.

I'll give an inverse of your question to contextualize how stupid it is:

Has any nation become prosperous and successful by being insular?

The answer is no, because you close yourself to trade, ideas and useful people.

In either case, it's easy to see you have had zero formal education on the subject.

09-03-2019 02:38AM

riffmongous wrote: »

There's so much wrong there it's hard to know where to begin.. you can't honestly compare our current situation to that of the native americans.. 15th century english settlers? Statutes of Kilkenny was a century earlier.. multiculturalism is down to MNCs importing educated people to work for them? That's why we have thousands of Brazilians and English in Ireland?

You obviously didn't read the previous post about the importation of cheap labour, and you do know what language we speak here now?

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 02:41AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You realise you are defining your own version of multiculturalism here (again). Apparently free trade is multiculturalism. It isn’t.

I'm not defining it in my own way. Im condensing it. But define multiculturalism as any way and you can see that it boils down to coexistence (which predicates movement) and different ethnographic classes (scientists, lower, middle, upper classes, different nationalities etc etc)

What they're defining it as is 'mass migration' which is 100% part of MC but is not entirely it.

Meanwhile, im inversing his question for context. Has any nation become successful by becoming insular?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 09-03-2019 02:45AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

I've answered your question 10 times since page one lol.

Literally every nation that has ever existed participated in multiculturalism. You're doing the Alex Jones thing of asking like a really nonsensical rhetoric and thinking you're smart because you keep repeating it.

But i'll repeat. Every nation that has every existed has participated in multiculturalism and has benefitted from it.

I'll give an inverse of your question to contextualize how stupid it is:

Has any nation become prosperous and successful by being insular?

The answer is no, because you close yourself to trade, ideas and useful people.

In either case, it's easy to see you have had zero formal education on the subject.

For a man who is totally defining his own terms here you might want to be a bit more humble about your own ideology.

Free trade isn’t multi culturalism. Watching American movies isn’t multicultural. Even countries with historical patterns of immigration aren’t necessarily multi cultural.

See wiki here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism

Which says

Multiculturalism as a political philosophy involves ideologies and policies which vary widely.[1] It has been described as a "salad bowl" and as a "cultural mosaic"[2] - in contrast to a melting pot.[3]

Multiculturalism, then, doesn’t entail just immigration or existing nation or ethnic groups in a state - a necessary but not sufficient condition - but treating these cultures as equal of respect.

https://www.ifla.org/publications/defining-multiculturalism

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 02:46AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s basically how it’s defined, to become multicultural a nation needs migration.

Japan is pretty successful. China is successful. Korea is successful.

The exchange of ideas isn’t the definition of multi culturalism. In fact as I explained earlier even immigrant countries didn’t call themselves multi cultural until the past generation. The US preferred to call itself a melting pot, ie immigrants melted into the existing culture.

Those are really bad examples mate. Japan became successful when it stopped its blockade in the late mid 19th century and let Americans and Europeans in for their industrial technology.

Saying china is insular is kinda racist, considering they consist of 56 ethnic groups. Unless you're saying they all look the same ?

Dunno about Korea.

Multiculturalism greatly facilitates the exchange of ideas. Its incredibly pedantic and self serving to say its not strictly MC, but how are you going to deal with Japanese electronics company if neither speaks the other's language?

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 02:48AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

For a man who is totally defining his own terms here you might want to be a bit more humble about your own ideology.

Free trade isn’t multi culturalism. Watching American movies isn’t multicultural. Even countries with historical patterns of immigration aren’t necessarily multi cultural.

See wiki here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism

Which says

Multiculturalism as a political philosophy involves ideologies and policies which vary widely.[1] It has been described as a "salad bowl" and as a "cultural mosaic"[2] - in contrast to a melting pot.[3]

Multiculturalism, then, doesn’t entail just immigration or existing nation or ethnic groups in a state - a necessary but not sufficient condition - but treating these cultures as equal of respect.

That doesn't really refute anything. It leads to this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interculturalism

gozunda · 09-03-2019 02:51AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

I've answered your question 10 times since page one lol.Literally every nation that has ever existed participated in multiculturalism. You're doing the Alex Jones thing of asking like a really nonsensical rhetoric and thinking you're smart because you keep repeating it.But i'll repeat. Every nation that has every existed has participated in multiculturalism and has benefitted from it. I'll give an inverse of your question to contextualize how stupid it is:
Has any nation become prosperous and successful by being insular?The answer is no, because you close yourself to trade, ideas and useful people. In either case, it's easy to see you have had zero formal education on the subject.

Lol.

You are ranting there again I'm afraid. You have again failed to answer the simple question asked and have provided no figures whatsover as to whom and where 'multiculturalism' is seen as a 'net positive' (sic). End of story.

You are also confusing trade and commerce with 'multiculturalism' - a word which has been pointed out - that you dont know the meaning of.

I would suggest you invest in a dictionary and book yourself back into primary school

I'll leave you there ...

Sunny88 · 09-03-2019 02:54AM

gozunda wrote: »

Lol.

You are ranting there again I'm afraid. You have again failed to answer the simple question asked and have provided no figures whatsover as to whom and where 'multiculturalism' is seen as a good. End of story.

You are also confusing trade and commerce with 'multiculturism' - a word which has been pointed out - that you dont know the meaning of.

I would suggest you invest in a dictionary and book yourself back into primary school

I'll leave you there ...

But why are low iq irish plebs so racist against pakistani grooming gangs

Why dont racists start threads bashing polish and swiss and aussies

Its so inconsistent

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 02:55AM

gozunda wrote: »

Lol. *types on american laptop*

You are ranting there again I'm afraid.

*speaks English*

You have again failed to answer the simple question asked

*tips Italian fedora*

and have provided no figures whatsover as to whom and where

*Swings Japanese katana*

'multiculturalism' is seen as a good. End of story.
Sips on german beer

You are also confusing trade and commerce with 'multiculturism' -
*says hi to polish co worker*

a word which has been pointed out - that you dont know the meaning of.

*goes to catholic church to worship middle eastern god*

I would suggest you invest in a dictionary and book yourself back into primary school
*drives french car*

I'll leave you there ...

*espouses right wing italian rhetoric

Mate I've literally told you ten times, every nation has participated in multiculturalism. I've answer your troll question.

But you can never ever answer this: What insular nations are successful?

buried · 09-03-2019 02:56AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Literally every nation that has ever existed participated in multiculturalism. You're doing the Alex Jones thing of asking like a really nonsensical rhetoric and thinking you're smart because you keep repeating it.

But i'll repeat. Every nation that has every existed has participated in multiculturalism and has benefitted from it.

Bull$hit. Saudi Arabia is a nation, Saudi Arabia exists, yet it doesn't want to participate in any sort of "multiculturalism" whatsoever, yet the gangster House of Saud is at the apex of what determines global policy for the rest of the planet outside its own self. Looks like they truly benefit from ditching this multiculturalism lark. They order everyone else about while under this policy so it must work.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 09-03-2019 03:00AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

I'm not defining it in my own way. Im condensing it.

No you’re not. Your defining it incorrectly to include free trade, and different classes. And movies.

But define multiculturalism as any way

That’s precisely the problem.

and you can see that it boils down to coexistence (which predicates movement) and different ethnographic classes (scientists, lower, middle, upper classes, different nationalities etc etc)

Classes are not ethnographic categories. Nationalities are. So one thing right there.

What they're defining it as is 'mass migration' which is 100% part of MC but is not entirely it.

In general nobody talked about multicultural states prior to modern patterns of migration. Even the US was described as a melting pot, which as I have said before (and the wiki confirmed) isn’t the same thing.

Meanwhile, im inversing his question for context. Has any nation become successful by becoming insular?

This form of language by you is of course a verbal trick. The opposite of multiculturalism isn’t insular, and that word has many implied meanings including a resistance to trade, autarky, or just simply being an island. Is it possible to be insular, to have one dominant culture and little immigration, while engaging in trade and some cultural interchange with the rest of the world - sure japan does that.

Sunny88 · 09-03-2019 03:00AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Mate I've literally told you ten times, every nation has participated in multiculturalism. I've answer your troll question.

But you can never ever answer this: What insular nations are successful?

Ask the people in Nice who got flattened by an articulated truck

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 03:00AM

buried wrote: »

Bull$hit. Saudi Arabia is a nation, Saudi Arabia exists, yet it doesn't want to participate in any sort of "multiculturalism" whatsoever, yet the gangster House of Saud is at the apex of what determines global policy for the rest of the planet outside its own self. Looks like they truly benefit from ditching this multiculturalism lark. They order everyone else about while under this policy so it must work.

Saudi arabia? The one that conducts global trade, using american capitalist values and imports people from all over the world (sociologists, nurses, scientists, computer experts etc) to compensate for its lack of development in these areas?

Saudi is pretty insular, but still participates in MC. Bad example.

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 03:02AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

No you’re not. Your defining it incorrectly to include free trade, and different classes. And movies.

That’s precisely the problem.

Classes are not ethnographic categories. Nationalities are. So one thing right there.

In general nobody talked about multicultural states prior to modern patterns of migration. Even the US was described as a melting pot, which as I have said before (and the wiki confirmed) isn’t the same thing.

This form of language by you is of course a verbal trick. The opposite of multiculturalism isn’t insular, and that word has many implied meanings including a resistance to trade, autarky, or just simply being an island. Is it possible to be insular, to have one dominant culture and little immigration, while engaging in trade and some cultural interchange with the rest of the world - sure japan does that.

That's a lot of mental gymnastics to just say you hate brown people man.

buried · 09-03-2019 03:03AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Saudi arabia? The one that conducts global trade, using american capitalist values and imports people from all over the world (sociologists, nurses, scientists, computer experts etc) to compensate for its lack of development in these areas?

Saudi is pretty insular, but still participates in MC. Bad example.

How is it a bad example when it's them who is running the show?

Sunny88 · 09-03-2019 03:03AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Saudi arabia? The one that conducts global trade, using american capitalist values and imports people from all over the world (sociologists, nurses, scientists, computer experts etc) to compensate for its lack of development in these areas?

Saudi is pretty insular, but still participates in MC. Bad example.

Ask the people who went to the Bataclan concert

gozunda · 09-03-2019 03:04AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Mate I've literally told you ten times, every nation has participated in multiculturalism. I've answer your troll question.But you can never ever answer this: What insular nations are successful?

types on american laptop

speaks English

tips Italian fedora

Swings Japanese katana

Sips on german beer

says hi to polish co worker

goes to catholic church to worship middle eastern god

drives french car

espouses right wing italian rhetoric

Those comments really are raving lol. So nope again. You've again failed to answer the question asked. Not engaging further questions until you do so. Thanks.

Ps look up what trade and commerce means in your yet to be purchased dictionary - it really will help ok ...

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 03:08AM

gozunda wrote: »

Those comments really are raving lol. So nope again. You've again failed to answer the question asked. Not engaging further until you do so. Thanks.

I've answered the question 20 times mate. You just wont accept it lol

If Ireland was insular we'd be poor and starving.

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 03:11AM

In this thread: People wont admit they just dont like brown people and try to tell you America isn't multicultural and that there are no multicultural nations despite the entire world being born on the movement of people since the beginning of prehistory.

I'm actually laughing lads. Did you all think people stayed in their towns from birth to death until recently or what?

gozunda · 09-03-2019 03:13AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

I've answered the question 20 times mate*. You just wont accept it lolIf Ireland was insular we'd be poor and starving.

Ok just because understanding can sometimes be hard. You repeating the same rubbish doesn't answer the question asked btw and yes you've failed to answer and given no figures whatsoever as was requested.

But there you go ...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

* Edit: I'm sorry not only do you not know how to use a dictionary - you can't count lol. In your very last post you said -

Mate I've literally told you ten times,

In this post that's now gone to 20! I think you definitely need to work on basic comprehension and mathematics there lol...

sk8erboii · 09-03-2019 03:19AM

gozunda wrote: »

Ok just because understanding can sometimes be hard. You repeating the same rubbish doesn't answer the question asked btw and yes you've failed to answer and given no figures whatsoever as was requested.

But there you go ...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You asked ‘name one successful multicultural nation’

I answered: ‘every nation is Multicultural and/or has benefited from multiculturalism’

How is this difficult to understand?

EDIT: Yikes. Now i see youre trolling. In either case im off to bed. Gonna hit the town tomorrow with my friends from other countries. Night

GinAndBitter · 09-03-2019 03:23AM

Sunny88 wrote: »

But why are low iq irish plebs so racist against pakistani grooming gangs

Why dont racists start threads bashing polish and swiss and aussies

Its so inconsistent

Is that you sk8rboii?

gozunda · 09-03-2019 03:23AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

You asked ‘name one successful multicultural nation’

I answered: ‘every nation is Multicultural and/or has benefited from multiculturalism’

How is this difficult to understand?

Nope. Wrong. Lol.

You said.
"The vast majority of people accept multiculturalism as a net positive lad"

I asked

"Who do? Where? Please provide accurate figures to show that is so."

Put down the shovel and stop digging ...

Bye ...

Hot take: Multiculturalism is good

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