Micky Jackson in trouble again

ToBeFrank123 · 08-03-2019 11:33AM

retro:electro wrote: »

Lol, my list is getting longer.

He wasn’t a pedo he was a child trapped in a man’s body

He didn’t settle against allegations of molestation his insurance paid out against his knowledge

He wasn’t abusing drugs he died because his doctor messed up Michael had no idea

He’s not to blame for the kids being in his bed the parents were forcing them on him

The money was just resting in his account

He had a million books of course there would be the odd child grooming book thrown in there somewhere

:pac: :pac: :pac:

So no hard evidence then? Just plenty of conjecture, your personal opinion and sneering at those who highlight a documentary was one sided and not objective?

Or that he was tried in a one sided documentary after some of the accusers could get nowhere in a court of law.

We should let the courts decide all this, not an entertainment film.

Boggles · 08-03-2019 11:34AM

fryup wrote: »

Gavin Arvizo

Oh right.

Yeah, that trial has been done I'm afraid, the general consensus was that family should have been sent to prison.

But as you bring him up, Robson talks about reconciliation for all alleged victims of Jackson and the paedo ring.

Has he ever reached out to Arvizo to apologise for testifying in the trial or did he try and make him part of the lawsuit?

And if not, why not?

LuckyLloyd · 08-03-2019 11:35AM

In any case, time for his music to be deplatformed. If you want to listen to it yourself in your own home, fair enough. But radio / tv stations / YouTube / Spotify / Apple Music should be removing his discography.

8-10 · 08-03-2019 11:35AM

fryup wrote: »

Gavin Arvizo

Kid was tragically manipulated by his crazy mother in my opinion

Boggles · 08-03-2019 11:38AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

In any case, time for his music to be deplatformed. If you want to listen to it yourself in your own home, fair enough. But radio / tv stations / YouTube / Spotify / Apple Music should be removing his discography.

How would you listen if you do all that?

Get the ould gramophone out of the attic?

suicide_circus · 08-03-2019 11:39AM

Boggles wrote: »

Oh right.

Yeah, that trial has been done I'm afraid, the general consensus was that family should have been sent to prison.

But as you bring him up, Robson talks about reconciliation for all alleged victims of Jackson and the paedo ring.

Has he ever reached out to Arvizo to apologise for testifying in the trial or did he try and make him part of the lawsuit?

And if not, why not?

would you let MJ babysit your 11 year old son?

Boggles · 08-03-2019 11:39AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

would you let MJ babysit your 11 year old son?

I don't have an 11 year old son.

Galwayguy35 · 08-03-2019 11:40AM

I don't see what reason the maid would have had to lie about seeing Jackson in the shower with a kid.

He had books which showed photos of naked kids and slept in the same bed as children but yet people see this guy as some innocent Peter Pan type of character who never grew up instead of what he really was.

There's been way too many accusations to just dismiss it as people looking for money.

sligeach · 08-03-2019 11:41AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

So no hard evidence then? Just plenty of conjecture, your personal opinion and sneering at those who highlight a documentary was one sided and not objective?

Or that he was tried in a one sided documentary after some of the accusers could get nowhere in a court of law.

We should let the courts decide all this, not an entertainment film.

I hope it goes to court. I hope the Jackson Estate find grounds to do so, even though Michael is dead. These 2 liars and their families will be torn to shreds. And you what, this mocumentary would be used as part of their downfall. The truth is there to see but the haters aren't interested in it.

Boggles · 08-03-2019 11:42AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There's been way too many accusations to just dismiss it as people looking for money.

It is the one common denominator.

There is literally no one looking for justice.

There hasn't even been a criminal complaint lodged in the 6 years since this shake down surfaced.

Why not do you think?

suicide_circus · 08-03-2019 11:42AM

Boggles wrote: »

I don't have an 11 year old son.

its a hypothetical question.

Boggles · 08-03-2019 11:43AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

its a hypothetical question.

For the 667th time.

No.

Nobody would on this thread that is not taking the piss.

LuckyLloyd · 08-03-2019 11:43AM

Boggles wrote: »

How would you listen if you do all that?

Get the ould gramophone out of the attic?

Buy the record
Buy the download
Stream it from a Jackson foundation website or something

I don’t really care. That’s where this is going though. For Jackson, for R Kelly, for Ryan Adams, for a whole host of movies and tv shows. It’s a difficult but effective concept.

micks_address · 08-03-2019 11:44AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

In any case, time for his music to be deplatformed. If you want to listen to it yourself in your own home, fair enough. But radio / tv stations / YouTube / Spotify / Apple Music should be removing his discography.

Whatever about radio there's no way they should remove from streaming platforms.. you have a choice to listen to them there if you want.. radio it can just come on and not be of your choosing..

lee_baby_simms · 08-03-2019 11:44AM

sligeach wrote: »

They've had since 1993 to come forward when this all began with Evan Chandler, that’s right, not Jordan Chandler. There's been 4 "victims" including these 2 liars. What have they all got in common? MONEY!

Boggles wrote: »

This has been going on for 6 years.

He is dead nearly 10 years.

When can we expect them, November / December?

This is the dominant kind of thinking among Jackson defenders and indeed victim blaming as a whole.

"Why havent the victims come forward in a time frame that is to my satisfaction!???"

First of all this tells me you didn't even watch the documentary because this is covered in depth in part two.

Every victim of abuse has their own journey to make with respect to confronting their own childhood trauma.

To expect every victim to process abuse the same way and in a timely manner is the exact kind of defense that the church tried to use in this country.

I have personal experience of someone in my own life who suffered abuse and didn't confront it until they suffered a total breakdown in their mid 50's and required extensive counselling.

The reason why i think more people will come forward sooner rather than later is that this documentary will likely be the trigger point for those who were abused to confront what happened to them.

ToBeFrank123 · 08-03-2019 11:45AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

would you let MJ babysit your 11 year old son?

A statement like this would be laughed out of court.

Its like asking "Do you beat your wife?"

I've never seen anything so closely representing a mob justice witch hunt as the pursuit of Michael Jackson. Evidence and proof seem to be secondary to personal opinion and conjecture.

suicide_circus · 08-03-2019 11:46AM

Boggles wrote: »

For the 667th time.

No.

Nobody would on this thread that is not taking the piss.

and why is that? because he was clearly a prolific nonse with an unhealthy interest in young boys?

joe40 · 08-03-2019 11:47AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Joe, FFS. Read what I said again. I said if he was as bad as Saville we can expect many many victims.

Several people on here were saying he was as bad as Saville, the implication being he had hundreds of victims.

"As bad as Savile" is a reference to how power and influence was used to get his way.
It is a reference to how his likeable and harmless persona enabled rumours to be brushed aside easily in the public domain.

For me the abusing one child is the same crime as abusing 100 children and deserves the same consequences.

I fully accept that if Michael Jackson was still alive more evidence would be needed to secure a conviction in court. I fully accept that.

But for me there is enough evidence already in the public domain to reach the conclusion that he was a dangerous individual that damaged lives.

I for one won't be able to listen to his music in the same way, and certainly won't spend any money to benefit the estate.

suicide_circus · 08-03-2019 11:47AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

A statement like this would be laughed out of court.

Its like asking "Do you beat your wife?"

we're not in court. the man is dead and was in fact cleared in court. like OJ Simpson was cleared in court.

Boggles · 08-03-2019 11:49AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Every victim of abuse has their own journey to make with respect to confronting their own childhood trauma.
.

Absolutely and Safechuck had that eureka moment when he saw Wade on telly suing for 100s millions and he wanted in on the action.

It's just cracking luck their journeys knitted together so perfectly.

fryup · 08-03-2019 11:49AM

the pendulum in my head is swinging on this..

...i just don't know

is Jackson guilty? maybe

are the accusers hamming it up for money? maybe

in fairness the documentary was completely one sided, i would have like to have seen a counter argument, and i would also like to see a background check on Safechuck & Robson's current personal affairs are they under monetary pressure ?? facing bankruptcy?

every avenue needs to be looked at, we are talking about a dead man who isn't here to defend himself

retro:electro · 08-03-2019 11:49AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Several people on here were saying he was as bad as Saville, the implication being he had hundreds of victims.

Imagine forming a defence for Michael on the grounds that he only seems to have abused a handful of kids.

The Nal · 08-03-2019 11:50AM

lee_baby_simms · 08-03-2019 11:51AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I've never seen anything so closely representing a mob justice witch hunt as the pursuit of Michael Jackson.

You see it as s 'mob justice witch hunt' designed to take down Jackson.

Most people see it as choosing to believe and sympathise with two individuals who were clearly victims of sexual abuse.

ToBeFrank123 · 08-03-2019 11:51AM

sligeach wrote: »

I hope it goes to court. I hope the Jackson Estate find grounds to do so, even though Michael is dead. These 2 liars and their families will be torn to shreds. And you what, this mocumentary would be used as part of their downfall. The truth is there to see but the haters aren't interested in it.

Court is the only place to try this. If MJ is found guilty there, I and others will be the first to say, great, justice for his victims.

Big difference to finding someone guilty based on a one sided documentary.

My issue and others have the same issue is the complete lack of due process and a fair trial where both sides are represented. Is this going to be the new norm?

suicide_circus · 08-03-2019 11:51AM

i think both scenarios are true simultaneously.

MJ was a paedo.

Those to lads are just out for the money.

Both statements are true

Boggles · 08-03-2019 11:51AM

fryup wrote: »

and i would also like to see a background check on Safechuck & Robson's current personal affairs are they financially deprived?

They are broke, not only that apparently they owe the Jackson's estate 150k arising out of frivolous law suits. Which I imagine will only get larger.

lee_baby_simms · 08-03-2019 11:53AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Big difference to finding someone guilty based on a one sided documentary.

Can you give me an example of a two sided documentary?

gimli2112 · 08-03-2019 11:53AM

I remember the original trial, people outside the courthouse releasing doves upon the acquittal. I remember feeling uncomfortable watching it and that he may have gotten away with something.

There is a presumption of innocence and they obviously didn't prove anything conclusively in court but there's certainly enough here to make anyone feel uneasy.

Boggles · 08-03-2019 11:53AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Court is the only place to try this.

Exactly the people the very serious claims are against are still alive.

Why has there not been a criminal trial? They do keep banging out the "Justice" word.

Not one person has been able to even attempt to answer that yet?

Micky Jackson in trouble again

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