Micky Jackson in trouble again

sligeach

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

They said They werent ready to talk. Even though after the jordan chandler accusations when they defended him that time Robson says Jackson took him off to a hotel room that night...in the full knowledge of his mother...and molested him. Even after that, they said nothing.

Safechuck was asked to defend him the second time but he said no. He said Jackson isnt a good guy.

That bit i found hard to believe, they had two chances to get out and they stood by him. If you think no one is going to believe you grand, but that would make 4 kids in total speaking out...that would mean him behind bars and shutting up the Jackson 'only in it for the money' mantra.

In a letter from Howard Weitzman, Michael Jackson Estate attorney.

In the “documentary” and in his declaration for the litigation, Safechuck spins a tale about how he refused to testify for Jackson in 2005, despite threats from Jackson and his legal team. Setting aside the absurdity of Jackson and his sophisticated legal team trying to convince an unwilling and unstable witness to testify on such a sensitive issue, Safechuck’s story is demonstrably false. In particular, Safechuck declares that Michael and his legal team called him “towards the end of the criminal trial” trying to pressure him to testify. But this statement cannot be true. Early on in the trial, the Judge precluded the prosecution from allowing evidence regarding alleged molestation of Safechuck and others because the “evidence” of such molestation was unreliable. The exceptions were that the Judge did allow testimony from certain disgruntled workers that they had heard that Michael had molested Wade Robson, Macaulay Culkin and Brett Barnes. That is why those three specifically testified, and all of them denied the molestation (including Robson of course), and were subject to cross-examination by prosecutors but did not waver. And that is why Jackson and his attorneys would not have ever tried to pressure an unwilling and unstable Safechuck to testify, particularly “towards the end of the criminal trial” as Safechuck so falsely claims in the documentary and under oath.

Given all of this, which are facts readily available to anyone doing minimal due diligence, why would HBO produce a documentary based solely on the words of these two liars and director/producer Dan Reed?

https://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/michael-jackson-estate-letter-of-facts-debunking-leaving-neverland/

I added in a bit of the next paragraph to highlight that a lot of people aren't interested in the facts or the truth, they've already made up their mind that he's a molester. It's not aimed at you.

fryup

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Billy Jean is just too good a tune for me to give any credence to the claims of those two chancers.

well it certainly brings a different connotation to "Beat it" :cool:

Boggles

Jackson is dead, there can be no criminal proceedings against him obviously.

The current lawsuit names 2 companies as conspirators.

Basically the charge is

the most sophisticated public child sexual abuse procurement and facilitation organization the world has known

They don't mean all the employees of the 2 companies only a handful, these employees are still alive AFAIK.

The allegation is employees from these companies set up talent competitions with the sole purpose of acquiring children for Michael to rape.

sexual grooming mechanisms to acquire minor sexual abuse victims disguised as charitable events for minors

Very simple question, where is the criminal complaint and if there isn't one why isn't there?

That is some serious criminal allegations, and if one of the sole goals of Robson and Co. is to make the Jackson family "listen", then getting those people to face justice would probably be the loudest he could shout.

The Nal

A List of Every Item Discovered by Police In Michael Jackson’s Residence by the police

Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children.

Evidence Item #510. Disneyland plastic bag containing underclothes and bloodied bed linens

Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children.

Evidence Item #303. Three books containing nude photographs, including those of teenagers and pre-teenagers.

Etc etc

joe40

sligeach wrote: »

In a letter from Howard Weitzman, Michael Jackson Estate attorney.



https://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/michael-jackson-estate-letter-of-facts-debunking-leaving-neverland/

I added in a bit of the next paragraph to highlight that a lot of people aren't interested in the facts or the truth, they've already made up their mind that he's a molester. It's not aimed at you.

That website you have linked to is something else. It takes fan worship to a whole new level. There is obviously a lot of money behind it.

One of the defences appears to be that he was in contact with other kids that were not harmed, ergo no one was harmed. Is that really the thinking.

There was a priest that was in my parish in Donegal, when I was a child who is now a convicted paedophile. But he must be innocent because he didn't touch me.

That seems to be the crux of that ridiculous defence.

retro:electro

Anyway the person I would really love to hear from is Jordy Chandler. Pity he has $23million worth of gagging tape around his mouth and can never speak up.

ToBeFrank123

If Jackson was as bad as Saville, we should expect dozens if not hundreds of other victims to come forward with allegations.

Lets see how this plays out. As it stands we are relying on the testimony of two guys who have been around the legal system for a couple of years and couldn't bring anything to trial.

Multiple independent credible witnesses (not financially motivated, initially at least). Is that too much to expect?

As John Creedon said earlier, most people's objections to the documentary were that it was incredibly one sided. You could make Hitler look like a saint and Mother Theresa look like the devil with a one sided documentary.

Objectivity and balance - both badly missing in the documentary. As were legal representation from Jackson's estate.

If Jackson is guilty so be it, but everyone even Hitler would be entitled to due process and presenting a defence.

Boggles

joe40 wrote: »

That website you have linked to is something else. It takes fan worship to a whole new level. There is obviously a lot of money behind it.

It's a wordpress blog, it's free.

joe40

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

If Jackson was as bad as Saville, we should expect dozens if not hundreds of other victims to come forward with allegations.

Lets see how this plays out. As it stands we are relying on the testimony of two guys who have been around the legal system for a couple of years and couldn't bring anything to trial.

Multiple independent credible witnesses (not financially motivated, initially at least). Is that too much to expect?

As John Creedon said earlier, most people's objections to the documentary were that it was incredibly one sided. You could make Hitler look like a saint and Mother Theresa look like the devil with a one sided documentary only giving their side of things.

Objectivity and balance - both badly missing in the documentary. As were legal representation from Jackson's estate.

There we go again. "If he was guilty there would be more victims...."

As a defence goes it is pretty ridiculous to be honest.

Plenty of people have been convicted of abusing one person only.

suicide_circus

The Nal wrote: »

A List of Every Item Discovered by Police In Michael Jackson’s Residence by the police

Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children.

Evidence Item #510. Disneyland plastic bag containing underclothes and bloodied bed linens

Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children.

Evidence Item #303. Three books containing nude photographs, including those of teenagers and pre-teenagers.

Etc etc

all totally normal, nothing to see here

cozar

no comparison between the R Kelly documentary and this one. You would have no doubt whatsoever that Kelly was a pedophile and carried out disgusting actions but with leaving Neverland you are just left wondering who is telling the truth.

ToBeFrank123

joe40 wrote: »

There we go again. "If he was guilty there would be more victims...."

As a defence goes it is pretty ridiculous to be honest.

Plenty of people have been convicted of abusing one person only.

Joe, FFS. Read what I said again. I said if he was as bad as Saville we can expect many many victims.

Several people on here were saying he was as bad as Saville, the implication being he had hundreds of victims.

ohnonotgmail

suicide_circus wrote: »

all totally normal, nothing to see here

From memory they are referring to naturist magazines. Such items were available in easons up until not so long ago.

8-10

joe40 wrote: »

There we go again. "If he was guilty there would be more victims...."

As a defence goes it is pretty ridiculous to be honest.

Plenty of people have been convicted of abusing one person only.

If you believe the accusations of the 2 in the documentary then you have to presume there's many many more victims.

You don't accuse an organisation of being "the most sophisticated public child sexual abuse procurement and facilitation organization the world has known" for procuring 1 or 2 children for sex.

Sheeps

joe40 wrote: »

What does that mean you're not making any assertions about a grown man sharing a bed with children he doesn't know. That is not a small insignificant thing.

It is not just creepy or weird it is down right twisted.

People looking for proof of a crime, what do you want a, videos, pictures?

What I think is happening is a lot of people are looking at the well documented things that happened, and coming to the conclusion, 30 years too late, this is not right.
This is not the actions of a eccentric, lovable man child, this is the actions of a potential predator.

Even if I was to disbelieve the recent documentaries there is enough in the public domain for me to reach the conclusion that Jackson was a dangerous individual, enabled by his staff and the seriously dysfunctional parents of the kids involved.

It means that I'm under no illusions as to how bizzare that behavior is or what it implies. Again, my issue is with people swallowing up disputed claims in a clearly one sided documentary.

lee_baby_simms

retro:electro wrote: »

Anyway the person I would really love to hear from is Jordy Chandler. Pity he has $23million worth of gagging tape around his mouth and can never speak up.

I expect more to come forward by the end of the year.

I have no doubt that Jackson abused more boys. He was experienced at grooming, he had Neverland rigged for it - secret rooms, one way glass, alarm bells in the corridors etc.

fryup

i thought Robson hammed it up a bit for the camera......but i certainly believe Safechuck he seems 100% genuine

*the nail in the coffin for me - was the Police interview video, where the kid describes the abuse which was similar to others

The Nal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

From memory they are referring to naturist magazines. Such items were available in easons up until not so long ago.

A DVD called "Sloppy Dogs Presents: Fcuk Me, I’m a Bad Girl."

Evidence Item #364: ‘The Chop Suey Club, Photo book, young adult male models, some nude.

Boggles

fryup wrote: »

*the nail in the coffin for me - was the Police interview video, where the kid describes the abuse which was similar to others

What kid?

Boggles

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

I expect more to come forward by the end of the year.

This has been going on for 6 years.

He is dead nearly 10 years.

When can we expect them, November / December?

ohnonotgmail

The Nal wrote: »

A DVD called "Sloppy Dogs Presents: Fcuk Me, I’m a Bad Girl."

Evidence Item #364: ‘The Chop Suey Club, Photo book, young adult male models, some nude.

So he looked at porn. Didn't realise that was incriminating evidence.

retro:electro

The Nal wrote: »

A DVD called "Sloppy Dogs Presents: Fcuk Me, I’m a Bad Girl."

Evidence Item #364: ‘The Chop Suey Club, Photo book, young adult male models, some nude.

“Legal” child porn was also found. A book written by paedophiles which groomers use to lower inhibitions and begin the process.



Can’t say it buy it in Easons if it was in front of me.

Sephiroth_dude

MOD

JohnCreedon81 don't post in this thread again

Keep it civil please.

AllForIt

The Nal wrote: »

A List of Every Item Discovered by Police In Michael Jackson’s Residence by the police

Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children.

Well I must admit I was a bit shocked by that so I though I'd dig deeper to make sure you were't bull****ting.

So the first thing I found out was you were a bit selective in what what you choose to post, here is a more expanded version.

Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children.

The hard cover book is titled Cronos, by author Pere Formigeura, contains images of nude children of both sexes, as well as adults.

And here's the book available online

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/340662.Cronos

And here from that website is an extract from a user review of the book:

This is a book of photographs (and a thought provoking essay) of great beauty, causing one to meditate on the passage of time, the aesthetics of the nude, and the value of friendship (the subjects are also the author's family and friends).It is certainly NOT either erotic or in any way indecent, though undoubtedly some small minded persons who are disconnected from western cultural heritage may think so (and should therefore be beaten around the head with a copy of this book - which physically ..

Boggles

Also the claim is convicted paedo's wrote the books? When were they convicted?

I can't imagine they would still be on sale or in American Library's if that was the case, maybe it would.

And just to point out again, Jackson basically had a Library, a conservative estimate stated he had a million books.

retro:electro

Lol, my list is getting longer.

He wasn’t a pedo he was a child trapped in a man’s body

He didn’t settle against allegations of molestation his insurance paid out against his knowledge

He wasn’t abusing drugs he died because his doctor messed up Michael had no idea

He’s not to blame for the kids being in his bed the parents were forcing them on him

The money was just resting in his account

He had a million books of course there would be the odd child grooming book thrown in there somewhere

:pac: :pac: :pac:

sligeach

Boggles wrote: »

This has been going on for 6 years.

He is dead nearly 10 years.

When can we expect them, November / December?

They've had since 1993 to come forward when this all began with Evan Chandler, that’s right, not Jordan Chandler. There's been 4 "victims" including these 2 liars. What have they all got in common? MONEY!

AllForIt

Boggles wrote: »

Also the claim is convicted paedo's wrote the books? When were they convicted?

I can't imagine they would still be on sale or in American Library's if that was the case, maybe it would.

And just to point out again, Jackson basically had a Library, a conservative estimate stated he had a million books.

Well the moral of the story is you simply cannot trust at face value what some posters on this thread say especially when they are providing evidence they skimmed off the Internet - from disingenuous to downright lies.

Boggles

joe40 wrote: »

There was a priest that was in my parish in Donegal, when I was a child who is now a convicted paedophile. But he must be innocent because he didn't touch me.

That seems to be the crux of that ridiculous defence.

Did you sleep in the same bed with him, hang around with him, did he bring you on tour?

fryup

Boggles wrote: »

What kid?

Gavin Arvizo