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Micky Jackson in trouble again

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    Paully D wrote: »
    Probably mentioned already but I see RTÉ have said they won’t be playlisting his music any more.

    Using that logic, I assume they’ll now stop broadcasting anything to do with Catholicism? The Angelus, Mass etc?

    well thats bollocks, I heard it mentioned on the radio, or misheard, i thought they said they won't be blacklisting his music...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,977 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    The case was "thrown out" because the statute of limitations had passed. It was nothing to do with the credibility of the accusations

    Safechuck then amended his complaint, claiming that MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures are both “child sexual abuse operations”. Again it was thrown out by the judge.
    Safechuck, by his own admission, he did not “realize” that he had been abused until after he saw Robson on the Today Show in May 2013 being interviewed by Matt Lauer about Robson’s newly-concocted story of abuse. All of a sudden, Safechuck realized that he had been abused. He then contacted Robson’s lawyers and filed copycat lawsuits against the Estate for millions of dollars. And like Robson, he too had testified under oath that Jackson never did anything inappropriate with him. His two cases against the Estate were also dismissed.

    Safechuck’s frivolous lawsuits were dismissed so early in the proceedings that significant discovery was never taken in his case, and he was able to avoid having his deposition taken and producing documents. But even in his sworn declarations in the litigations, there are clear signs that he is lying and trying to construct a false story of abuse from his vague memories of his interactions with Jackson. For example, Safechuck claimed in his sworn declaration that he was first abused on the Paris leg of the Bad Tour, which he correctly identifies as taking place in late June 1988 (as a simple Wikipedia search would reveal). He later says that after the Bad tour ended, Michael flew him out to New York “in February 1989” where Michael was performing at the Grammy’s. Safechuck states in his declaration that he was abused on this New York trip for the Grammy’s. However, the Grammy’s were not in New York in 1989; they were in Los Angeles that year (and in 1990). And Michael did not perform at the Grammy’s in 1989. However, Michael did perform at the Grammy’s in New York in February 1988, i.e., before Safechuck claims he was first abused in June 1988. Yet he somehow claims that he was abused on a New York trip to the Grammy’s that occurred before he claims he was first abused. Safechuck’s “error” here is obviously reflective of an effort to create a story of abuse out of whole cloth. Or in other words, Safechuck is just making it up as he goes along.

    In the “documentary” and in his declaration for the litigation, Safechuck spins a tale about how he refused to testify for Jackson in 2005, despite threats from Jackson and his legal team. Setting aside the absurdity of Jackson and his sophisticated legal team trying to convince an unwilling and unstable witness to testify on such a sensitive issue, Safechuck’s story is demonstrably false. In particular, Safechuck declares that Michael and his legal team called him “towards the end of the criminal trial” trying to pressure him to testify. But this statement cannot be true. Early on in the trial, the Judge precluded the prosecution from allowing evidence regarding alleged molestation of Safechuck and others because the “evidence” of such molestation was unreliable. The exceptions were that the Judge did allow testimony from certain disgruntled workers that they had heard that Michael had molested Wade Robson, Macaulay Culkin and Brett Barnes. That is why those three specifically testified, and all of them denied the molestation (including Robson of course), and were subject to cross-examination by prosecutors but did not waver. And that is why Jackson and his attorneys would not have ever tried to pressure an unwilling and unstable Safechuck to testify, particularly “towards the end of the criminal trial” as Safechuck so falsely claims in the documentary and under oath.

    - Howard Weitzman - Michael Jackson Estate attorney.

    https://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/michael-jackson-estate-letter-of-facts-debunking-leaving-neverland/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭innuendo141


    Paully D wrote: »
    Probably mentioned already but I see RTÉ have said they won’t be playlisting his music any more.

    Using that logic, I assume they’ll now stop broadcasting anything to do with Catholicism? The Angelus, Mass etc?

    They said each presenter plays whatever they want so its not an outright ban. I think. They dont really seem sure today.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    But they don't count Boggles.

    What counts are a one sided documentary/propaganda as well as the opinions of social media commentators. These are far more qualified than judges, FBI, DA and so on. Maybe these institutions should be wrapped up altogether, courts shut down and all suspects tried by documentary makers in future.

    We still are left with allegations but no hard evidence to back up what these two witnesses are saying.

    their tears say more than real evidence ever could


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    This actually feels like the Netflix jobby WHO DREW THE COCKS or THE TURD BURGLAR


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Mr.Wemmick


    I can understand to some extent why they don't want to play Jackson's solo stuff.. but what about the Jackson 5, do they all get black listed too?

    I love the music - not jackson's later stuff, all pretty meh. But the earlier Jackson 5 belongs to a time and a place, and a part of music history. Off The Wall was an amazing piece of work.. that album and Thriller has the brilliant Quincy Jones input and I am not sure how black listing one artist actually works, without affecting the innocent.

    Anyone remember Jarvis Cocker getting on stage at the Brit Awards in the late 90s and mooning Jackson's performance? 'Twas very funny..

    “The fact that society believes a man who says he’s a woman, instead of a woman who says he’s not, is proof that society knows exactly who is the man and who is the woman.”

    - Jen Izaakson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,344 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Call me Al wrote: »
    Yeah... He only slept with little boys though.. unless you can find the balance for that.

    Oh sleeping with little kids is weird and creepy and I do not think most people here would deny that even most of those defending him but it'a it that all they did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    I have no idea whether he’s guilty or innocent, but in the interest of fairness did the documentary mention the fact that Michael set Wade up with his neice Brandi, who he reportedly dated for nearly a decade?

    It would make Wade’s claims that Michael tried to keep the boys away from and discourage female company amongst them questionable at the very least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,344 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    their tears say more than real evidence ever could

    Seems too planted for me going from okay to pensive in thought after a comment to been okay to then tears. There have been plenty of people who have cried on TV in relation to stuff and then turned out yes they lied


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    Billy Jean is just too good a tune for me to give any credence to the claims of those two chancers.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    joe40 wrote: »
    Proof is not possible at this stage, but you're the one who tried to muddy the waters by comparing his behaviour to parents sharing a bed with their kids.
    (As a parent of a 13 year old that would be creepy enough)
    I don't know why you would try to normalise his behaviour in that way.

    In terms of proof that would result in a conviction in court, that level of evidence does not exist nor will it at this stage, and the witnesses do have credibility issues. I accept all that.
    For me personally though, even just re assessing what was already known, if as a adult and father is enough for me to reach the conclusion that Michael was not just a harmless "man child" but posed a potential danger.
    We will never have proof if rape actually took place but people will form opinions and for me his legacy is severely damaged.
    Even without the current doc, his behaviour when reexamined in the light of what is now known about child abuse and grooming is hard to accept.

    This sums it up for me too.

    I just don’t believe MJ. I just don’t. Even with some accusers having credibility issues, as you say. And I have no reason to have it in for Jackson.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I hope his children are ok. If indeed he sired them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,917 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    Whether people think he's guilty or not , I honestly hope that if anyone ever opens up to you , as an adult , and confides that they were abused as a child , that they're treated with compassion and empathy .

    Not disbelief .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,344 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    Whether people think he's guilty or not , I honestly hope that if anyone ever opens up to you , as an adult , and confides that they were abused as a child , that they're treated with compassion and empathy .

    Not disbelief .

    Totally agree with this


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭xi5yvm0owc1s2b


    They said each presenter plays whatever they want so its not an outright ban. I think. They dont really seem sure today.

    They have effectively said that they're not banning Jackson's music; they just don't plan on playing it anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    Whether people think he's guilty or not , I honestly hope that if anyone ever opens up to you , as an adult , and confides that they were abused as a child , that they're treated with compassion and empathy .

    Not disbelief .

    That is the bottom line really. For far too long children and adults have been ridiculed or batted away for their accusations. I think it is changing here now hopefully.

    No need to elaborate about the forces that precluded this. We all know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,977 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Those 2 men looked like they had been coached very well in the way they delivered their so called truths.

    Wonder how much they got paid ???

    They're not being paid for the documentary. The 2 liars have had their lawsuits dismissed several times, they have an appeal in. I think they're hoping to sway public opinion with this ones-sided mockumentary.

    I also think they've gone all out with the graphicness, the salaciousness, the prolonged period of abuse so that if they do somehow win, which they won't, they'll get a massive payout in compensation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Mr.Wemmick


    I hope his children are ok. If indeed he sired them.

    If the media has the cop on leave them in peace to get on with their lives. His daughter was hounded today in the papers. Disgusting.

    “The fact that society believes a man who says he’s a woman, instead of a woman who says he’s not, is proof that society knows exactly who is the man and who is the woman.”

    - Jen Izaakson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,917 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    Mr.Wemmick wrote: »
    If the media has the cop on leave them in peace to get on with their lives. His daughter was hounded today in the papers. Disgusting.

    It reminds me of the old saying -
    The sins of the father are visited upon his children ..
    (Hope I said that right)

    His children are nor responsible for his actions , or alleged actions , so they deserve to be left alone .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    Whether people think he's guilty or not , I honestly hope that if anyone ever opens up to you , as an adult , and confides that they were abused as a child , that they're treated with compassion and empathy .

    Not disbelief .

    But it's dirtballs like this that make people not believe.

    If there had been none of this #metoo ****e, this doc would never have been made.

    Not getting paid??? ask me hole. These lads are getting paid by someone 100%, Don't believe that part for a second.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭CiarraiAbu2


    He had at least 5 or 6 kids sleeping with him at different times, one of his maids saw him showering with a boy. Just for this alone he should have been melted at a stake.

    Also didn't realise it's been 10 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,917 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    0ph0rce0 wrote: »
    But it's dirtballs like this that make people not believe.

    If there had been none of this #metoo ****e, this doc would never have been made.

    Not getting paid??? ask me hole. These lads are getting paid by someone 100%, Don't believe that part for a second.

    Why don't you believe they're not getting paid ?
    Because their careers are fading so they need to find a cash cow , albeit a dead one ?

    If they had flourishing careers people would still question their stories , why there was denial at first , why they waited so long to admit to it .

    There never is a "right" time , money involved or not .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    Why don't you believe they're not getting paid ?
    Because their careers are fading so they need to find a cash cow , albeit a dead one ?

    If they had flourishing careers people would still question their stories , why there was denial at first , why they waited so long to admit to it .

    There never is a "right" time , money involved or not .

    Nobody makes a production costing millions for the craic and expects no return and you don't go on screen with this stuff for nothing. everyone has an agenda.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,917 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    0ph0rce0 wrote: »
    Nobody makes a production costing millions for the craic and expects no return and you don't go on screen with this stuff for nothing.

    Except maybe to get people to believe them .

    Instead of having that part of their lives eat them up inside .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭CFlat


    I'm an hour behind.

    Seems to be a lot of bitterness by the families that they were thrown to one side when MJ found some other interests.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    Except maybe to get people to believe them .

    Instead of having that part of their lives eat them up inside .

    Fair enough, Still think it's lies myself, someone will soon leak bank statements seeing payments for this, guarantee it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Beyond reasonable doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    Whether people think he's guilty or not , I honestly hope that if anyone ever opens up to you , as an adult , and confides that they were abused as a child , that they're treated with compassion and empathy .

    Not disbelief .

    Some people are so afraid of this...they never say anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,917 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    0ph0rce0 wrote: »
    Fair enough, Still think it's lies myself, someone will soon leak bank statements seeing payments for this, guarantee it.

    And if that happens , I'll have no problem coming back to say you were right , they got paid for this documentary :)

    Am neither MJ fan nor hater .

    Just don't like anyone , male or female who abuse children .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    And if that happens , I'll have no problem coming back to say you were right , they got paid for this documentary :)

    Am neither MJ fan nor hater .

    Just don't like anyone , male or female who abuse children .

    No sane person would.

    Just can't believe it myself, too many people he was involved with, celebs, actors, musicians many of them kids at the time who stayed with him etc.. who's careers are well past the sell by date or ruined who could have said anything to lynch him and get back in the eye but when they were asked they didn't. Why???

    Only people who did accuse him were the people who had sweet **** all.


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