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Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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  • #152
    Simple_Simone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Simple_Simone


    sbsquarepants wrote: »


    Would you like it if Tesco decided your house was going to be their new frozen food aisle, regardless of whether you wanted it to be or not?

    Not being a third generation sentimental fool, I'd very happily take Tesco's money and run. In fact I'm tempted to question your sanity in asking such an incredibly naive question.


  • #153
    greencap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Possibly, possibly not.

    As I said I don't know the ins and outs of this one - my issue is with their CPO attempt. 8 billion, 80 billion, or 8 euro doesn't make a difference to that one - it's either right or it's wrong, and I believe it's wrong.

    but no, not possibly.

    jobs are vital to the economy, and the economy is vital to the state.

    if you want the country to continue to function, and if that one site is the only place that these jobs can go, then how else do you resolve the issue other than apply to the court for a cpo?

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  • #154
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,411 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    This whole jobs talk is no different to the wall trump wants to build along Mexico.


  • #155
    Ri_Nollaig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ri_Nollaig


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Would you like it if Tesco decided your house was going to be their new frozen food aisle, regardless of whether you wanted it to be or not?

    Well its not like they are just taking it and throwing him on the side of the road is it?
    I am sure he will be very well compensated.

    He won the previous case because the IDA tried to CPO without a buyer/investment. Well now they have one don't they.


  • #156
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ri_Nollaig wrote:
    Well its not like they are just taking it and throwing him on the side of the road is it? I am sure he will be very well compensated.


    Why do you assume it should only come down to money. Some people for whatever reason cannot be bought and will fight 'tooth and nail' as he has done in the past. I suspect he will do so again if the occasion arises.


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  • #157
    nelly17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭nelly17


    Ri_Nollaig wrote: »
    Well its not like they are just taking it and throwing him on the side of the road is it?
    I am sure he will be very well compensated.

    He won the previous case because the IDA tried to CPO without a buyer/investment. Well now they have one don't they.

    That's not quite correct though it failed because the court found the IDA acted in excess of their powers, they had not got the powers then and they don't have them now


  • #158
    Dial Hard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,321 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    People seem to be conflating the case that involved his land with this new application. This application has absolutely nothing to do with his land, it won't affect his land, it pertains only to land that Intel already own. He is objecting purely out of bad blood, not to protect his assets.


  • #159
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    People seem to be conflating the case that involved his land with this new application. This application has absolutely nothing to do with his land, it won't affect his land, it pertains only to land that Intel already own. He is objecting purely out of bad blood, not to protect his assets.

    He sounds like a b0ll0cks


  • #160
    greencap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Why do you assume it should only come down to money. Some people for whatever reason cannot be bought and will fight 'tooth and nail' as he has done in the past. I suspect he will do so again if the occasion arises.

    stop casting him as a hero.
    hes just an oddball overly attached to a field.

    he probably gets a trowel out at night, and digs a little hole, and makes sweet love to his precious precious field.

    mmmm field. youre the only field for me. i dont even look at those other fields.

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  • #161
    nelly17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭nelly17


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    People seem to be conflating the case that involved his land with this new application. This application has absolutely nothing to do with his land, it won't affect his land, it pertains only to land that Intel already own. He is objecting purely out of bad blood, not to protect his assets.

    Thanks for this, this I was not sure on. But yeah from what I can gather in this instance he is objecting to the future development which will have nothing to do with the IDA or CPO's. Theres no mention of if Intel allready owns the land so assuming thats the case leave him off.


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  • #162
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,006 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    People seem to be conflating the case that involved his land with this new application. This application has absolutely nothing to do with his land, it won't affect his land, it pertains only to land that Intel already own. He is objecting purely out of bad blood, not to protect his assets.

    If someone tried to force a sale of what's mine, damn right there would be bad blood. I'd definitely have my objection in.

    **** with me and I'll **** with you.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #163
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    People seem to be conflating the case that involved his land with this new application. This application has absolutely nothing to do with his land, it won't affect his land, it pertains only to land that Intel already own. He is objecting purely out of bad blood, not to protect his assets.

    It makes no odds if he has legitimate concerns.


  • #164
    corminators
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭corminators


    Feisar wrote: »
    If someone tried to force a sale of what's mine, damn right there would be bad blood. I'd definitely have my objection in.

    **** with me and I'll **** with you.

    I was in the high court for his first case where IDA tried to steal his land. Basically they had no use lined up for it but wanted to grab it off him via CPO. And the judge sided with IDA. Thought it was ridiculous at the time. Basically you have to appeal to the supreme courts to keep your rights to land.

    Of course the supreme court pointed out there was no god given right to steal his land, especially when they had no intended use for it at the time.

    No wonder he's kicking up a fuss now


  • #165
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    greencap wrote:
    stop casting him as a hero. hes just an oddball overly attached to a field.


    I'm not casting him as a hero likewise I 'm not claiming he's crazy either.


  • #166
    stoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭stoneill


    Looking at the Kildare co.co planning website he is the only objection listed.
    OK so people are entitled to object and he is a direct neighbor.

    However - having worked there, the job did pay well, I have my house paid off and three kids through college.
    The new development will mean that a new generation of workers may have the chance to buy their own house,
    raise a family and prepare the kids for adult life.

    I am not a brainwashed Intel head, I did work there, but not now.
    I do know that Intel are committed to a clean environment, they do work with local communities, they do get involved with further education
    and they do value being a good neighbour to the residents in Leixlip.
    Leixlip water has never been as good quality since they came here, Leixlip village has never been as thriving, Leixlip schools never had as good computer training technology.
    Same could be said for Lucan, Celbridge, Maynooth and further.

    Of all the factories that could be built beside me I would have rather have Intel than many many other companies out there.


  • #167
    machiavellianme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    From my understanding he doesn't want to give up his farm/land that has being in his family for generations.

    As a part time farmer, I understand his position. But 72 acres is not a lot and certainly won't be sufficient to sustain future generations comfortably unless he is into some very niche areas of farming with lucrative contracts in place. You wouldn't make much return on that acerage on tillage, dairy, beef or sheep. I'd say it's more a question of when rather than if he gives up his farm.

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  • #168
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    stoneill wrote: »
    Looking at the Kildare co.co planning website he is the only objection listed.
    OK so people are entitled to object and he is a direct neighbor.

    However - having worked there, the job did pay well, I have my house paid off and three kids through college.
    The new development will mean that a new generation of workers may have the chance to buy their own house,
    raise a family and prepare the kids for adult life.

    I am not a brainwashed Intel head, I did work there, but not now.
    I do know that Intel are committed to a clean environment, they do work with local communities, they do get involved with further education
    and they do value being a good neighbour to the residents in Leixlip.
    Leixlip water has never been as good quality since they came here, Leixlip village has never been as thriving, Leixlip schools never had as good computer training technology.
    Same could be said for Lucan, Celbridge, Maynooth and further.

    Of all the factories that could be built beside me I would have rather have Intel than many many other companies out there.
    I live in Leixlip also and recognise all the good that they do.
    This has absolutely nothing to do with them applying for planning permission and the ability for people to lodge objections to proposed developments for whatever reasons.

    Based on your points, it could be taken that you believe that if they spend enough money in the locality, then they should be allowed do what they like.

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  • #169
    Seth Brundle
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    machiavellianme wrote: »
    As a part time farmer, I understand his position. But 72 acres is not a lot and certainly won't be sufficient to sustain future generations comfortably unless he is into some very niche areas of farming with lucrative contracts in place. You wouldn't make much return on that acerage on tillage, dairy, beef or sheep. I'd say it's more a question of when rather than if he gives up his farm.
    It depends on what type of farming you want to do but 72 acres is plenty if you're going organic for example or keeping a few horses.
    His is good land also!

    Either way, his land isn't currently at risk and is somewhat irrelevant to the discussion.

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  • #170
    cocokabana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭cocokabana


    the_syco wrote: »
    I doubt it. If your brother found he could treble the size of his farm, on better land, with get a free house, new farm machinery, and more animals, with money to put his children through college, I'd say he'd take it.

    I know a family who sold their farm during the Celtic tiger to a developer for €20million. They bought another farm 20 miles away and have a fabulous place. The old family farmhouse is still standing on the edge of acres of new housing estates and Tesco.


  • #171
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Can they not go around him and basically leave him alone ?
    No. To the south of him is the road, to the north the Rye river.
    Kellan Microscopic Poppycock wrote: »
    Anyone find the actual appeal online? I didnt find it by searching intel planning applications made to Kildare Co Council.
    It's in the application in on Kildare CC's website.
    Here it is; https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109607312&postcount=54
    stoneill wrote: »
    I do know that Intel are committed to a clean environment, they do work with local communities, they do get involved with further education
    Agreed. Heck, they're not building further south because of the Rye!
    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Either way, his land isn't currently at risk and is somewhat irrelevant to the discussion.
    If his land is ever sold to Intel, Kellystown lane will disappear.


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  • #172
    Ardillaun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Hoboo wrote: »
    Got over what?

    Our obsession with the past and land. A person whose family has been in the same plot for the past five hundred years deserves no more consideration than any other citizen.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • #173
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Ardillaun wrote: »
    Our obsession with the past and land. A person whose family has been in the same plot for the past five hundred years deserves no more consideration than any other citizen.

    Go home, yank.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #174
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Ardillaun wrote: »
    Our obsession with the past and land. A person whose family has been in the same plot for the past five hundred years deserves no more consideration than any other citizen.
    Having checked the census, the family have lived in that area for just over a 100 years.

    I have no issue with IDA's land-grab being curtailed, but because of the way they went about it, there's no hope in hell he'll part with the land now, if for no other reason than to spite the IDA.


  • #175
    greencap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    the_syco wrote: »
    Having checked the census, the family have lived in that area for just over a 100 years.

    so what 100 years.

    most peoples grandparents would have owned their homes 50-60 years.
    there's no song and dance about them being sold when the time comes.

    nobody from an historical agency arrives and says 'oooh the o'reillys lived there for over 62 years'.

    Someone lived in that house for 62 years, quick, list that building.

    is there something special about the 100 years mark?

    isn't it an empty field anyway?

    that would just mean that one particular name was in a land registry book for 100 years.
    along with all the other names. its not really of any consequence.

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  • #176
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Kellan Microscopic Poppycock wrote: »
    One nice thing about a fab is that once it's there, it's there. The construction costs are so great that relocating operations to a cheaper location is unlikely to be financially viable, the way it was for Dell to relocate their factory from Limerick for example.
    No.

    They have to build a fab for each level of technology.

    It's like the UK car industry, they used to invest £2.5Bn a year, but since the referendum it's dropped down to £0.6Bn a year. Car models have a 3-5 year life cycle and as the reach the next cycle most of the production lines in the UK will need major investment to catch up or be shut down.


  • #177
    Capt'n Midnight
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    the_syco wrote: »
    IMO, they should look into tunnelling. Tunnel south, and expand that way.
    Or go full Hank Scorpio and tunnel an underground base under the farm.


  • #178
    stoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭stoneill


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    I live in Leixlip also and recognise all the good that they do.
    This has absolutely nothing to do with them applying for planning permission and the ability for people to lodge objections to proposed developments for whatever reasons.

    Based on your points, it could be taken that you believe that if they spend enough money in the locality, then they should be allowed do what they like.

    I suggest you read it again


  • #179
    Ardillaun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    the_syco wrote: »
    Having checked the census, the family have lived in that area for just over a 100 years.

    I have no issue with IDA's land-grab being curtailed, but because of the way they went about it, there's no hope in hell he'll part with the land now, if for no other reason than to spite the IDA.

    I wasn’t referring to them in particular, just the attitude in general. It shouldn’t matter at all how long somebody’s family have lived in a particular place.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • #180
    Ardillaun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Go home, yank.

    Threads about land always contain some strange responses.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



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  • #181
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,082 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    The principle of being able to object to planning isn't an issue. What is the problem, is the amount of time it takes for the appeals process to run its course.

    As it stands, applicants can spend a couple of years and hundreds of thousands carrying out the requires studies and surveys and compiling an Environmental Impact Assessment and submitting this to a planning authority.

    A few cranks can then lodge fairly spurious objections and frustrate the process for further years in some cases.

    There are international companies that have chosen other countries to invest in over Ireland purely on the basis of the time, expense and hassle to secure planning permission.


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