Who's your favourite at debating?

Junkyard Tom · 06-03-2019 07:10PM

RWCNT wrote: »

I'm a fan of both of these but in fairness they do response videos as opposed to live debates.

A lot of those people make good money from their social media presence and big ticket events so wouldn't be well disposed to being shown up. Also, I don't think back-and-forth debate lends itself too well to deconstructing another person's points.

Woke Hogan · 06-03-2019 07:11PM

Jordan Peterson is not a public intellectual. A public intellectual would release more than two books in a twenty year period, and neither of them would be pop psychology self help books for useless geeks looking for a father figure. He's the Canadian Dr Phil.

i71jskz5xu42pb · 06-03-2019 07:18PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A lot of those people make good money from their social media presence and big ticket events so wouldn't be well disposed to being shown up.

Peterson was making near $1m per year on just on Patreon before he quit it.
Plus money for his "shows" (you'd think Borris Johnson money)
Presumably there's other revenue streams.

If I was making that kind of cash I'd play it safe as well.

Your Face · 06-03-2019 07:20PM

George Hook

o1s1n · 06-03-2019 07:22PM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Jordan Peterson is not a public intellectual. A public intellectual would release more than two books in a twenty year period, and neither of them would be pop psychology self help books for useless geeks looking for a father figure. He's the Canadian Dr Phil.

He knows what he's doing and caters for a very specific type of young male who laps him up.

I've a few mates who bring him up constantly as if they're under the enchantment of David Koresh, it's embarrassing.

Junkyard Tom · 06-03-2019 07:26PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Wibbs

I heard he shouted at a cat once.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 06-03-2019 07:30PM

RWCNT wrote: »

I don't complain about this much as it usually turns up in threads where there's other stuff I'd rather discuss but I ****ing hate everyone being described as "alt right" these days. Alt rightists want to create an all-white ethnostate, they're fascist nutters and as far as I'm aware, there's very few of them.

The labelling of anyone you don't agree with using the catch all term alt right is lazy at best.

Auntie Semite · 06-03-2019 07:51PM

Many mentioned here are hardly Alt Right
For example Jordan Peterson is despised by the Alt Right

Christopher Hitchens was a master of debate.
Peter Hitchens is a great debater.
Sam Harris
Camille Paglia (personal favourite)

Tim Pool who I wouldn't regard as a debater as such did extremely well versus Jack Dorsey of twitter on Joe Rogan last night.

Nick Fuentes pretty good for someone so young.
J F Gariepy
Vox Day

Not nessecarily endorsing all the characters above just enjoy listening to them.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 06-03-2019 07:52PM

Of all the people mentioned I think Hitchens was in fact the greatest charlatan, and in fact had the most destructive effect.

Church on Tuesday · 06-03-2019 07:58PM

Anthony Fantano.

Don't agree with all of his opinions regarding music but the man is very well informed in general matters.

He destroyed that idiot Paul Joseph Watson.

orourkeda1977 · 06-03-2019 08:02PM

greencap wrote: »

George Galloway was a good orator in his time.

Assfcked the US senate en masse, in their own house.

Bosco could have done that.

Roger Hassenforder · 06-03-2019 08:52PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Of all the people mentioned I think Hitchens was in fact the greatest charlatan, and in fact had the most destructive effect.

You gonna elaborate?

Indeed!

Galwayguy35 · 06-03-2019 09:01PM

Ian O Doherty.

That's why you rarely see him on RTE any more because he destroys the lefties on the panel in minutes.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 06-03-2019 09:03PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

You gonna elaborate?

Indeed!

What’s the point of that picture?

Hitchens was a major supporter of the iraq war, his historical knowledge was weak to say the least, and he was banging the drums for more wars (Iran for instance) towards the end.

Junkyard Tom · 06-03-2019 09:06PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Ian O Doherty.

Badly Drunk Boy · 06-03-2019 09:13PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Christoper Hitchens.... Alt Right?

For gods sake man.

He mightn't be Alt Right but he was Oft Wrong...

Auntie Semite · 06-03-2019 09:16PM

Angela Nagle is great (Irish too)

Jimmy Dore

Roger Scruton

lbc2019 · 06-03-2019 09:18PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Ian O Doherty.

That's why you rarely see him on RTE any more because he destroys the lefties on the panel in minutes.

Lolz

Yer Da sells Avon · 06-03-2019 09:50PM

Tacklebox wrote: »

My favourite would probably be Christopher Hitches, he really had his facts right along with good wit and knock out potential.

The ultimate charlatan. A social-climbing arse-licker with a decent turn of phrase. I prefer his brother. At least his views - as batshit as some of them may be - are sincerely held.

Church on Tuesday · 06-03-2019 11:15PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

You gonna elaborate?

Indeed!

er, not sure why my I'm underlined, I'm not particularly religious if that's what your getting at in spite of the user name

Auntie Semite · 06-03-2019 11:28PM

Thomas Sowell

GinAndBitter · 06-03-2019 11:28PM

Joan Burton.

Angliru · 06-03-2019 11:35PM

Biggins. Lad got a horn from seeing a new post in a thread just so that he could start being contrary all over again.

Roger Hassenforder · 06-03-2019 11:43PM

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

er, not sure why my I'm underlined, I'm not particularly religious if that's what your getting at in spite of the user name

My bad!!

Tacklebox · 06-03-2019 11:45PM

I must look up some of these recommendations and watch the banter, excitement and reactions to these power house debating techniques....

Jordan Peterson is good.

I prefer watching these debates and debating friends who are not triggered easily and can stay with the debate without walking out, crying to the judiciary etc

I think its easier to be a spectator rather than being shut down and getting infractions and warnings.

A lot of debaters mentioned on this thread would have been banned here quite frequently, including Hitchins and Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro too more than likely.

kowloon · 07-03-2019 12:04AM

Chanty Binx sounds like a Star Wars character and looks a bit like one too. Milo comes across as just being a cnut rather than anyone with anything new to say.

Most of the social media crowd are just looking to make fun of the fringe lefty liberal bleeding heart commies who have lost touch with reality or the MAGA hat wearing rabid right-wing racists who want to lynch everyone and their dog from scaffolds made out of the last bits of the rainforest.
If people didn't take it so seriously it wouldn't be so invasive.

Man Vs ManUre · 07-03-2019 12:09AM

I like Ming Flanagan’s style. He manages to make his point, get a good slagging in on the opposition, and is able to take the moral high ground on all he goes up against.
The mario roses stock sketch of Ming n’ Mick or Mick n’ Ming was genius. It should have had its own weekly half hour show.

Tacklebox · 07-03-2019 12:13AM

kowloon wrote: »

Chanty Binx sounds like a Star Wars character and looks a bit like one too. Milo comes across as just being a cnut rather than anyone with anything new to say.

Most of the social media crowd are just looking to make fun of the fringe lefty liberal bleeding heart commies who have lost touch with reality or the MAGA hat wearing rabid right-wing racists who want to lynch everyone and their dog from scaffolds made out of the last bits of the rainforest.
If people didn't take it so seriously it wouldn't be so invasive.

Im on neither side of the debates, i just find it entertaining to watch the way they don't really get offended.

Chanty Binx is scary though, I met a few like her at a stand in Galway one Saturday.

I found them a hostile bunch, another place I have come across something similar is at body and soul.
Myself and my friend lounging in the hot tubs in the forest and these bints concluding that we were looking at them, they were clones of Chanty.
He was singing some old English folk song which was a bit offensive...
One had to be removed she was very tough and took a dislike to my gay friend, sure he was as camp as Julian Cleary and a bit like Milo.
He had all the answers and knew how to wind them up...

The whistling gypsy rover he was singing... Sure they took offence to it....

mcmoustache · 07-03-2019 01:37AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Ian O Doherty.

That's why you rarely see him on RTE any more because he destroys the lefties on the panel in minutes.

To be fair, that's mostly due to the idiocy of some of the Irish left who equate their number of like minded twitter followers with their intelligence. As Franz mentioned earlier with regard to Sam Harris debating the religious, it's a bit easy.

I wouldn't put him in the same league as the Hitchens brothers.

BalcombeSt4 · 07-03-2019 05:46AM

Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky & when he was alive Tony Benn.

Who's your favourite at debating?

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