Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018/2019

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 06-03-2019 01:06PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Be an interesting one. He'll probably be given a hefty warchest and let do whatever he wants.

Be interesting to see if he's properly burned out. Thought they might have waited for Poch too.

Hazard to Real? I don't think Mou will last there.

bangkok · 06-03-2019 01:08PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Be an interesting one. He'll probably be given a hefty warchest and let do whatever he wants.

Be interesting to see if he's properly burned out. Thought they might have waited for Poch too.

Ramos will be first out the door

bangkok · 06-03-2019 01:08PM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Hazard to Real? I don't think Mou will last there.

Prob do the usual 3 years. Some fans were chanting his name last night

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 06-03-2019 01:18PM

bangkok wrote: »

Ramos will be first out the door

Why?

bangkok · 06-03-2019 01:24PM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Why?

26 red cards, got suspended on purpose for game last night, fell out with jose during last spell

Drumpot · 06-03-2019 01:29PM

I think our chances of qualifying are very low but I feel positive none the less and am looking forward to tonight. I think if we can get the first goal it really might throw off PSG. Even if they go 1-0 up if we are even 1-1 at HT I would fancy a decent bash in the second half.

I have this feeling that if we somehow manage to go through tonight we might actually go on to win the cup. This would most likely be equivalent to Juventus away in 1999. I think we would also begin to look like Chelsea 2012 except our team is also performing in the league. The momentum and confidence garnered from clawing back a 2-0 deficit would be ridiculous.

I don't actually expect United to win or qualify, I am just looking forward to seeing how they get on. I actually think this could just as easily be a PSG hammering as it could be us scraping by so I am under no illusions about Uniteds chances.

jayo26 · 06-03-2019 01:30PM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Why?

They didn't get on the last time Jose had issues with casilas and Ramos they had too much control over the dressing room.

DM_7 · 06-03-2019 01:30PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

But last summer contradicts all of that, otherwise we would have seen some pressing issues addressed regardless of the uncertainty surrounding Mourinho.

Not if the manager rejected players put forward and wanted other players like Boateng.

Zeek12 · 06-03-2019 01:38PM

bangkok wrote: »

Prob do the usual 3 years. Some fans were chanting his name last night

There's a serious rebuilding job needed there. An ageing squad in some key positions with little reinvestment.

And we know how he reacts if he doesn't get every transfer he wants.

Real have not been a big player in the transfer market for a good four years now.

Expect fireworks!

Rossi IRL · 06-03-2019 01:41PM

As long as he stays away from De Gea I don't care what he does

S.M.B. · 06-03-2019 01:52PM

astradave wrote: »

It looks as if Ole tailors his formation to suit the players available though instead of squeezing square pegs into round holes, even when Mata comes into the team it's the diamond with him at the point instead of out wide, basically playing to the players strengths.

I don't get the sense that Ole picks the formation simply based on player availability but maybe that's not quite what you are saying. It may play a part especially when the team has so many injuries but I don't think it's the primary reason behind his team set up.

I do think the fact that we don't have a fixed formation with a fixed XI means that the likes of Lukaku, Rashford, Martial and Lingard will get plenty of game time.

The interesting thing is that it appeared that for Ole's first run of games it did look like he had a set team and a set formation and this was considered to be a real positive when it came to building up a head of steam.

Zeek12 · 06-03-2019 01:53PM

I don't expect us to get through tonight.
Too much stacked against us. The injury situation is very unfortunate.
But lets hope the guys give a positive performance.

The Arsenal game at the weekend is the bigger game imo.
I just hope we get through this without any further injuries.

PSG are starting to look like decent dark horses in this competition
Cavani due back soon, Neymar possibly back in the next month.

Real out.
Juventus in trouble.
Liverpool struggling for form.

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 06-03-2019 02:04PM

bangkok wrote: »

''Jose approached by Real''

http://www.skysports.com/share/11656553

Knew he would end up there

They’ll hound him out of there again! Madrid should look at Klopp or Poch, people that play offensively

PARlance · 06-03-2019 02:17PM

S.M.B. wrote: »

I don't get the sense that Ole picks the formation simply based on player availability but maybe that's not quite what you are saying. It may play a part especially when the team has so many injuries but I don't think it's the primary reason behind his team set up.

I do think the fact that we don't have a fixed formation with a fixed XI means that the likes of Lukaku, Rashford, Martial and Lingard will get plenty of game time.

The interesting thing is that it appeared that for Ole's first run of games it did look like he had a set team and a set formation and this was considered to be a real positive when it came to building up a head of steam.

There are quite a few factors that come into the equation imo.

Re: Set team/formation for his first run of fixtures.
That was facilitated by 1. everyone (more or less) being available and 2. Relatively weak opposition, who we could afford to be positive against (and also 3. Ole wanting to put out a clear "United Way" marker, post-Jose)

The real question imo is, Should we have a fixed team / formation / style?
I don't think we should because 1. I don't think we've got the quality within the team to dictate play to all others and 2. Having a fixed system makes you predictable, which is ok, until we're back looking at beating the best.

We've a small sample but I think Ole's style is clear enough. He'll be agressive against weaker teams but will set up much more cautious against similar, better level. He'll also change it up based on available players.

The only real exception to that was PSG when he went out very bullish and also didn't react to the forced changes.

J. Marston · 06-03-2019 02:20PM

MrMac84 wrote: »

They’ll hound him out of there again! Madrid should look at Klopp or Poch, people that play offensively

Madrid are desperate now. They'll want proven winners, not long term project managers who ultimately win fúck all.

jayo26 · 06-03-2019 02:32PM

MrMac84 wrote: »

They’ll hound him out of there again! Madrid should look at Klopp or Poch, people that play offensively

Klopp and Salah in the summer would be perfect for them.

Mantis Toboggan · 06-03-2019 02:50PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Klopp and Salah in the summer would be perfect for them.

And Sanchez down the left would be ideal.

Beechwoodspark · 06-03-2019 02:53PM

Is the match on any Irish channel tonight folks?

Rossi IRL · 06-03-2019 02:56PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Klopp and Salah in the summer would be perfect for them.

Klopp now would be even better

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 06-03-2019 02:58PM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

As long as he stays away from De Gea I don't care what he does

De Gea is definitely going no where. Don't know why anyone is worried. He loves it here.

Especially after Courtois is there.

areu4real? · 06-03-2019 03:47PM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

And Sanchez down the left would be ideal.

Sanchez for bale would be good business imo, don't think there's an ice cubes chance in hell but we can only dream. I'll be long asleep for the game tonight, hopefully checking BBC in the morning will bring a very unexpected surprise.

Bleating Lamb · 06-03-2019 03:48PM

Don’t think you are meant to ask about streams so apologies Mods if that’s the case....don’t have Sky TV....can anyone pm me a way to watch game tonight please.

ericzeking · 06-03-2019 04:13PM

Re. Ole only being at the end of the recruitment process.

The club have been criticised ad nauseum for a scatter gun approach, hiring different managers and buying different players for those managers leading to a supposedly unbalanced squad full of "deadwood".
Now the club appears to have some sort of strategy whereby suitable players (I imagine there is a pretty limited list of the same players which all the top clubs have) are identified and then put to the current coach. This is also criticized.

So which is it, do we want an over arching plan or do we continue to appoint and sack managers, buy and discard players?

All this is because seemingly people think it is all one guy (Woodward) playing real life fantasy manager with a multi billion euro corporation, which is a pretty crazy idea.

I think ideally Ole would be the coach who for the most part would be given the best players available and a director of football be appointed which would largely just be for optics as it wouldn't make a difference to how transfers come about. But it would appease those who just think Woodward is clicking buy and sell on his computer.

secman · 06-03-2019 04:25PM

BBC reporting Klopp and Poch are top of RM list, with Mou not in the running, hope they go for Klopp

and Virgil van Dyke and maybe Salah

Interesting to see how Ole tackles this one tonight, no real pressure as we are deemed to be out as it is. Footy can be a funny oul game !

bucketybuck · 06-03-2019 04:48PM

ericzeking wrote: »

Now the club appears to have some sort of strategy whereby suitable players (I imagine there is a pretty limited list of the same players which all the top clubs have) are identified and then put to the current coach. This is also criticized.

So which is it, do we want an over arching plan or do we continue to appoint and sack managers, buy and discard players?

Questioning and criticising are not the same things.

When the manager says very clearly that he is not involved in recruitment until the end of the process, its a reasonable question to ask who is making the decisions before that?

When this new process doesn't seem to tally with what happened in previous transfer windows then its reasonable to wonder why?

Criticism might come later, but for now there are still far more questions than answers.

06-03-2019 04:59PM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

As long as he stays away from De Gea I don't care what he does

Courtios is the perfect Jose goalkeeper sit deep and force people into crossing, have the gentle giant come out and catch said cross (something which he is probably the best in the world at) launch counter

letsgo2018 · 06-03-2019 05:01PM

Unless it was a swap with Sanchez and no more than 20m I wouldn't go near Bale . Would much prefer us to sign chucky lozano. He's only 23 and I think he can play both wings too . The time to get bale was when he went to Madrid. We matched their offer and he turned us down so feck him

DM_7 · 06-03-2019 05:07PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Questioning and criticising are not the same things.

When the manager says very clearly that he is not involved in recruitment until the end of the process, its a reasonable question to ask who is making the decisions before that?

When this new process doesn't seem to tally with what happened in previous transfer windows then its reasonable to wonder why?

Criticism might come later, but for now there are still far more questions than answers.

Why does it not tally? The likes of Lindelof, Bailly, Dalot, Martial, Shaw were probably brought to the manager as options based on work the club did to identify them.

Drumpot · 06-03-2019 05:16PM

ericzeking wrote: »

Re. Ole only being at the end of the recruitment process.

The club have been criticised ad nauseum for a scatter gun approach, hiring different managers and buying different players for those managers leading to a supposedly unbalanced squad full of "deadwood".
Now the club appears to have some sort of strategy whereby suitable players (I imagine there is a pretty limited list of the same players which all the top clubs have) are identified and then put to the current coach. This is also criticized.

So which is it, do we want an over arching plan or do we continue to appoint and sack managers, buy and discard players?

All this is because seemingly people think it is all one guy (Woodward) playing real life fantasy manager with a multi billion euro corporation, which is a pretty crazy idea.

I think ideally Ole would be the coach who for the most part would be given the best players available and a director of football be appointed which would largely just be for optics as it wouldn't make a difference to how transfers come about. But it would appease those who just think Woodward is clicking buy and sell on his computer.

Hold on, what exactly is the clubs transfer strategy now ? I don't know how anybody can make any statement about what non managerial strategies/roles have changed/improved internally since Ole has taken charge.

Since you feel Woodward is getting such a hard time I would love to hear what information you have on his role in transfers. Maybe some of us have been too hard on Woody . . He is in the highest position at the club and has been a constant fixture at that level since SAF retired and has presided over an awful period of the club. Maybe you can clear up the misgivings that many of us have about his motives (shiny marketable and young players - not necessarily what first team needs) and his qualities that we just do not appreciate?

In fact, can you tell me how the last 6 years haven't generally been a scattergun approach to managerial and transfer signings ?

jayo26 · 06-03-2019 05:19PM

areu4real? wrote: »

Sanchez for bale would be good business imo, don't think there's an ice cubes chance in hell but we can only dream. I'll be long asleep for the game tonight, hopefully checking BBC in the morning will bring a very unexpected surprise.

I'd say we have more chance if getting varane for Phil Jones.

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