The UK and knife crime

They cant ban knives.
Those who are using the knives will just change the weapon of choice (acid, screwdrivers or even sharpened toothbrush shivs).

ricero wrote: »

How have things gone so bad in the UK with knife crimes? .

20,000 less police on the streets. Reduction in stop and search, poorest communities left to rot, leading to increase in gangs filling the void.

This is worth a listen. The interview with the guy previously involved in knife crime is really interesting. Police don’t seem to register on their radar.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p072ky91

It's because politicians like Diane Abbot argue that the very existence of lower working classes in London is a result of racism.

Identity politics is imo very much responsible. Firstly you have a mostly black demographic and lower class one combined. 2 races in 1. Because every demographic is a race now you can't criticize the lower working class AND you can't criticize also because they are black. You can't say anything that could be interpreted as 'tarring everyone with the same brush'.

This attitude over time has lead the knife crime community to believe that they are being persecuted and once they hear politicians stating such and see that it has become unacceptable to target their demographic they know they can now do the fuk they like init.

In every single debate about this in the media commentators make excuses for what is essentially social breakdown and lawlessness, a reversal of what once was a more civilized community. Excuses are that there aren't enough police, areas are 'deprived', not enough youth clubs, and single parent families. I have even heard one person say that the gov have been splitting up families (just cause of a bitta domestic violence) and kids are being barred from school ( just for the trivial reason for disrupting classes). Every excuse under the sun except the actual one.

One commentator complained that council estates exist beside wealthy areas. I'd rather live beside a wealthy area than another council estate. Areas are not deprived, they are horrible some of them because of the ppl living in them, the lower classes. You would think ppl who can't afford to house themselves in London which is a very expensive city (and full of opportunity) would be grateful to have the luxury of being provided accommodation at all but no, they feel aggrieved that other ppl are better off than them as if they think that wealthy people are being paid a higher social welfare rate, cause racism.

Another commentator I heard talking sympathetically about the knife crime community said that middle-class drug users should be stopped and searched and 'thrown in prison' if found in possession. The language he used in relation to catching knife murderers is that 'he would like to see them apprehended'. This is the kind of nutty attitude that has directly led to this epidermic imo. When there was a heroin epidemic in Dublin it was the 'dealers' that were though to be utter scum of the earth not the users but in the UK it's thought to be the other way around. I'm still gobsmaked that sky news interviewed these gang member and that the report had a sympathetic understanding tone. Poor little drug dealing murders - and it's everyone else's fault except theirs.

I could go on all day about this, a subject that infuriates me in large part become of the nutty commentary on the subject but what I am saying essentially is that I think this black lower class demographic has been / is being protected, and lawlessness is the result. Until this level of protection is lifted then there is no point in even discussing the matter.

It's the culmination of years of Tory austerity.

Fewer police on the streets means perpetrators have no fear, drugs get onto the streets more easily, and more people are carrying knives for self defence. Fewer community services. No youth facilities. Schools cut to the bone so no support there. Parents more often relying on working multiple jobs to survive so less time with their kids. Lack of opportunities leading more people to turn to crime to put food on the table. Young people from poorer backgrounds are basically left to fend for themselves and drugs are often filling the gap - and drugs are pretty much always a factor in the stabbings that have happened.

The propensity for violence is higher in non-white and non-south east asian population... police constables words to us after a colleague was stabbed, she went on to claim it was cultural...I couldn't agree/disagree as she was on the front line

FTA69 wrote: »

A cop with racist opinions? I’m shocked.

Or maybe they were just relating what they experienced in their job? Two thirds of knife offenders under 25 in London were black or minority ethnic.

https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mopac_justice_matters_13_march_2018_disproportionality_slides.pdf#page=11

So it seems that the problem is disproportionately with black youths. that is not racist. that is just stating a fact.

dvdman1 wrote: »

She may be guilty of generalisation but she was black.

She's "Color Struck". Off with her head!!

Police here have been cut to the bone.

Anecdotal but the house I live in was broken into recently during the day. There's a large police station about 10-15 minutes drive away. The burglar was in the house for an hour and a half. I know this because one of my housemates ran into him on the stairs and had to barricade herself in the bedroom and ring the emergency services. Police turned up about 90 minutes later.