Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

threeball wrote: »

Was it Coen who kicked one big score and then decided he was Maurice Fitzgerald and could kick everything inside 60m and went on to miss 3 in a row. Shots that were never on. It was either him or Ruane. Completely took the wind out your sails.

Darren Coen.

happyoutscan wrote: »

Darren Coen. I've seen him a good few times for Holly-Carra and while he can have days when everything goes over (last year vs Westport), he has days when his shot selection borders on the absolute ridiculous (Intermediate Final in Croker against StMarys in 2016 comes to mind).

Thought he had a decent first half though, linked up a bit of play and think it was his clever dink pass that almost created the goal.

He kicked one wonderful point last night then lost the plot. Haven't taken much notice of him before so don't know if that's a regular feature of his game. If it is I wouldn't have him anywhere near the team. Mayo have had too many lads like that down the years.

I am afraid I am not going to be adding to the optimism today.

I can't see how we're going to beat Galway this year.They really have under number with Walsh's ultra defensive set up.TBH I'm glad we have 6 points on board at this stage as unless the lads demonstrate the qualities we have come to expect of them we may not pick up any more points in the league.

We seem incapable of attacking at pace,breaking lines with support runners coming at varying angles.It's all ponderous round and round the garden lateral passing.

Many posters have hit the nail on the head,as always our true achilles heel is that extra little bit of quality up front.Another very high wide count.

David Clarke's kickouts will be relentlessly targetted.We seemed to totally ignore the short kick out option in the second half when we could'nt win a ball to save our life off of the long kick outs?Although Keith Higgins offers much going forward his lazy tackling is costing us greatly.

Lee Keegan's lack of form is alarming and his senseless tackle at the death of the game is a now happening with an unfortunate regularity.Duggan gave him a particularly difficult time before he moved out to the middle.Colm Boyle was very lucky not receive a red card for what appeared to be at minimum two yellow card offences.

Needless indiscipline that cost us dearly when the game was still up for grabs.Previous Horan teams were renowned for their discipline.

Matthew Ruane as expected is growing into a mainstay on the team yet our midfield at present from kickouts is non existent.We can hardly win any primary possession nor pick up the broken ball.Our famed middle 8 is no more.

TBF we have pleaded with James Horan to give the new lads a chance but Fionn,Darren and James struggled greatly.One great score from Darren and then a few wasteful shots.

We've yet to solve the conundrum that is finding a right sided free taker,ideally a ciotog.Fionn dropped one short,Kevin Mc dislikes taking same with good reason.Evan Regan is not under consideration for the first team at the moment.

It simply places an inordinate pressure on Cillian and Doc to be assuming responsibility for same,most especially those from an acute angle.

Kicking hail mary balls into Aidan O Shea as exemplified by Donie Vaughan's attempt is bread and butter to all top teams including Galway.

Tis mind boggling the concession of a goal with two extra men and two spurned goal chances.

I was heartened by the lads ability to cut the gap to a point in double quick time but all those wides including the free that hit the post sapped all the confidence out of the team.No Mayo man within sight of the post for rebound off said post.

Chris Barrett impressed on first outing back most especially with his directness of attack.

Some of the blame comes down both on field and management sides.You would really have expected our lads to close out the game with 20 minutes plus on the clock.

Big decisions for James Horan to make.

Eoin O Donoghue if fit is a definite starter for me,Michael Plunkett comes in for Colm Boyle.Hopefully Lee Keegan's form is a mere blip.He does tend to coast along in early season.Ditto hoping Paddy Durcan's injury is'nt too serious.

Our lack of midfield options is a serious concern which is why Diarmuid needs to start there alongside Matthew Ruane at the present.Can only imagine the management are in a state of quandry.It's a bit like robbing Peter to pay Paul.Diarmuid offers us so much as player offensively too.Two great scores,unlucky with the kick off the ciotog.He seldom shirks responsibility and has an innate confidence in his ability to kick a score.I am afraid in the middle is where our need is greatest for him.

How many players can be confident of starting come championship in the forwards?

Jason Doherty is nailed down to start,Cillian is still our best forward.Yes he has missed important frees in big games but are there are any others ready to grasp the jersey off of the others?I do not believe there are players ready to grasp the jersey off Aidan O Shea either in spite of what others may believe.

Fionn McDonagh is defintely worth persisting with for the remainder of the league.I am not a Crossmolina man but Conor Loftus is a confidence player and is deserving of further consideration in the remainder of the league.Ditto young Colm Moran and an if fit Ryan O Donoghue.

I suspect come championship time we will be reverting to a lot of the old reliables.I'd hope to see Eoin O Donoghue,Michael Plunkett,Matthew Ruane,Fionn McDonagh and a couple of others close to starting.

P.S. Forget about where's Wally?Where's Conor Diskin?

I'd be curious from our Galway colleagues how many of the missing Galway players will be starting come summer?

A Connacht championship and super 8s may be a very good championship year for a very much in transition Mayo team.

seligehgit wrote: »

I am afraid I am not going to be adding to the optimism today.

I can't see how we're going to beat Galway this year.They really have under number with Walsh's ultra defensive set up.TBH I'm glad we have 6 points on board at this stage as unless the lads demonstrate the qualities we have come to expect of them we may not pick up any more points in the league.

We seem incapable of attacking at pace,breaking lines with support runners coming at varying angles.It's all ponderous round and round the garden lateral passing.

Many posters have hit the nail on the head,as always our true achilles heel is that extra little bit of quality up front.Another very high wide count.

David Clarke's kickouts will be relentlessly targetted.We seemed to totally ignore the short kick out option in the second half when we could'nt win a ball to save our life off of the long kick outs?Although Keith Higgins offers much going forward his lazy tackling is costing us greatly.

Lee Keegan's lack of form is alarming and his senseless tackle at the death of the game is a now happening with an unfortunate regularity.Duggan gave him a particularly difficult time before he moved out to the middle.Colm Boyle was very lucky not receive a red card for what appeared to be at minimum two yellow card offences.

Needless indiscipline that cost us dearly when the game was still up for grabs.Previous Horan teams were renowned for their discipline.

Matthew Ruane as expected is growing into a mainstay on the team yet our midfield at present from kickouts is non existent.We can hardly win any primary possession nor pick up the broken ball.Our famed middle 8 is no more.

TBF we have pleaded with James Horan to give the new lads a chance but Fionn,Darren and James struggled greatly.One great score from Darren and then a few wasteful shots.

We've yet to solve the conundrum that is finding a right sided free taker,ideally a ciotog.Fionn dropped one short,Kevin Mc dislikes taking same with good reason.Evan Regan is not under consideration for the first team at the moment.

It simply places an inordinate pressure on Cillian and Doc to be assuming responsibility for same,most especially those from an acute angle.

Kicking hail mary balls into Aidan O Shea as exemplified by Donie Vaughan's attempt is bread and butter to all top teams including Galway.

Tis mind boggling the concession of a goal with two extra men and two spurned goal chances.

I was heartened by the lads ability to cut the gap to a point in double quick time but all those wides including the free that hit the post sapped all the confidence out of the team.No Mayo man within sight of the post for rebound off said post.

Chris Barrett impressed on first outing back most especially with his directness of attack.

Some of the blame comes down both on field and management sides.You would really have expected our lads to close out the game with 20 minutes plus on the clock.

Big decisions for James Horan to make.

Eoin O Donoghue if fit is a definite starter for me,Michael Plunkett comes in for Colm Boyle.Hopefully Lee Keegan's form is a mere blip.He does tend to coast along in early season.Ditto hoping Paddy Durcan's injury is'nt too serious.

Our lack of midfield options is a serious concern which is why Diarmuid needs to start there alongside Matthew Ruane at the present.Can only imagine the management are in a state of quandry.It's a bit like robbing Peter to pay Paul.Diarmuid offers us so much as player offensively too.Two great scores,unlucky with the kick off the ciotog.He seldom shirks responsibility and has an innate confidence in his ability to kick a score.I am afraid in the middle is where our need is greatest for him.

How many players can be confident of starting come championship in the forwards?

Jason Doherty is nailed down to start,Cillian is still our best forward.Yes he has missed important frees in big games but are there are any others ready to grasp the jersey off of the others?I do not believe there are players ready to grasp the jersey off Aidan O Shea either in spite of what others may believe.

Fionn McDonagh is defintely worth persisting with for the remainder of the league.I am not a Crossmolina man but Conor Loftus is a confidence player and is deserving of further consideration in the remainder of the league.Ditto young Colm Moran and an if fit Ryan O Donoghue.

I suspect come championship time we will be reverting to a lot of the old reliables.I'd hope to see Eoin O Donoghue,Michael Plunkett,Matthew Ruane,Fionn McDonagh and a couple of others close to starting.

P.S. Forget about where's Wally?Where's Conor Diskin?

I'd be curious from our Galway colleagues how many of the missing Galway players will be starting come summer?

A Connacht championship and super 8s may be a very good championship year for a very much in transition Mayo team.

Conor Diskin is being disciplined for attending a stag apparently

seligehgit wrote: »

I am afraid I am not going to be adding to the optimism today.

I can't see how we're going to beat Galway this year.They really have under number with Walsh's ultra defensive set up.TBH I'm glad we have 6 points on board at this stage as unless the lads demonstrate the qualities we have come to expect of them we may not pick up any more points in the league.

We seem incapable of attacking at pace,breaking lines with support runners coming at varying angles.It's all ponderous round and round the garden lateral passing.

Many posters have hit the nail on the head,as always our true achilles heel is that extra little bit of quality up front.Another very high wide count.

David Clarke's kickouts will be relentlessly targetted.We seemed to totally ignore the short kick out option in the second half when we could'nt win a ball to save our life off of the long kick outs?Although Keith Higgins offers much going forward his lazy tackling is costing us greatly.

Lee Keegan's lack of form is alarming and his senseless tackle at the death of the game is a now happening with an unfortunate regularity.Duggan gave him a particularly difficult time before he moved out to the middle.Colm Boyle was very lucky not receive a red card for what appeared to be at minimum two yellow card offences.

Needless indiscipline that cost us dearly when the game was still up for grabs.Previous Horan teams were renowned for their discipline.

Matthew Ruane as expected is growing into a mainstay on the team yet our midfield at present from kickouts is non existent.We can hardly win any primary possession nor pick up the broken ball.Our famed middle 8 is no more.

TBF we have pleaded with James Horan to give the new lads a chance but Fionn,Darren and James struggled greatly.One great score from Darren and then a few wasteful shots.

We've yet to solve the conundrum that is finding a right sided free taker,ideally a ciotog.Fionn dropped one short,Kevin Mc dislikes taking same with good reason.Evan Regan is not under consideration for the first team at the moment.

It simply places an inordinate pressure on Cillian and Doc to be assuming responsibility for same,most especially those from an acute angle.

Kicking hail mary balls into Aidan O Shea as exemplified by Donie Vaughan's attempt is bread and butter to all top teams including Galway.

Tis mind boggling the concession of a goal with two extra men and two spurned goal chances.

I was heartened by the lads ability to cut the gap to a point in double quick time but all those wides including the free that hit the post sapped all the confidence out of the team.No Mayo man within sight of the post for rebound off said post.

Chris Barrett impressed on first outing back most especially with his directness of attack.

Some of the blame comes down both on field and management sides.You would really have expected our lads to close out the game with 20 minutes plus on the clock.

Big decisions for James Horan to make.

Eoin O Donoghue if fit is a definite starter for me,Michael Plunkett comes in for Colm Boyle.Hopefully Lee Keegan's form is a mere blip.He does tend to coast along in early season.Ditto hoping Paddy Durcan's injury is'nt too serious.

Our lack of midfield options is a serious concern which is why Diarmuid needs to start there alongside Matthew Ruane at the present.Can only imagine the management are in a state of quandry.It's a bit like robbing Peter to pay Paul.Diarmuid offers us so much as player offensively too.Two great scores,unlucky with the kick off the ciotog.He seldom shirks responsibility and has an innate confidence in his ability to kick a score.I am afraid in the middle is where our need is greatest for him.

How many players can be confident of starting come championship in the forwards?

Jason Doherty is nailed down to start,Cillian is still our best forward.Yes he has missed important frees in big games but are there are any others ready to grasp the jersey off of the others?I do not believe there are players ready to grasp the jersey off Aidan O Shea either in spite of what others may believe.

Fionn McDonagh is defintely worth persisting with for the remainder of the league.I am not a Crossmolina man but Conor Loftus is a confidence player and is deserving of further consideration in the remainder of the league.Ditto young Colm Moran and an if fit Ryan O Donoghue.

I suspect come championship time we will be reverting to a lot of the old reliables.I'd hope to see Eoin O Donoghue,Michael Plunkett,Matthew Ruane,Fionn McDonagh and a couple of others close to starting.

P.S. Forget about where's Wally?Where's Conor Diskin?

I'd be curious from our Galway colleagues how many of the missing Galway players will be starting come summer?

A Connacht championship and super 8s may be a very good championship year for a very much in transition Mayo team.

Definite starters missing yesterday would be Burke, Comer, Silke and Kelly. At least 3 other strong possible. We've our strongest squad in living memory with everyone back. Even the 98 team had 17 possible starters at best. Right now we have about 22.

crusier wrote: »

Maurice Deegan was very poor last night and may as well have been wearing a Mayo jersey. Hard luck Maurice it didn't work out but you tried your best!

You need to try harder at the Auld wind ups Cruiser

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Don’t get all the pessimism!
Both teams showed yesterday that they have plenty to offer come championship
Galway in the first half and Mayo in the second.....what odds a Galway Mayo final come Sept!!!

I really don't know where you are getting the optimism from.

Look at Roscommon right now
2 up v Dublin early in the second half.

Now they may not win it but my God they are putting on a better show than ours ever did.

km79 wrote: »

This would not be a good result for us

True, we are not clear yet by any means

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Don’t get all the pessimism!
Both teams showed yesterday that they have plenty to offer come championship
Galway in the first half and Mayo in the second.....what odds a Galway Mayo final come Sept!!!

None to none

I think some are over the top with the criticism.

My biggest gripe is the fact that when Galway played a blanket defence while playing with the wind, we didn't have the cop on to let them at it and count down the clock until half time. We just keep walking into turnovers and getting counter attacked. This was never more apparent than when they were down to 13. This period was the losing of the game.

Despite all the criticism, I thought Darren coen had a decent game. I accept he kicked a few bad ones late on, but he was also the only one trying to link the play with neat passes into the scoring zone, whereas too many others seemed to have no idea how to play against Galways system.

I still say, when we can get Galway in good conditions and we don't end up getting guys sent off (for once), we will turn them over. Wind and rain suits blanket defences. At the same time, I'd like to see us get a bit of cop on playing against these systems

Conor Mortimer on RTÉ2 now giving a very selective (and not very accurate) account of him leaving the panel in 2012. I have no idea how or why this guy gets as much media work as he does. :rolleyes:

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Frankly, because reporters/papers know he will give them what they want. I hope he is getting a few quid out of them at least...

You can be sure that he is, but why would anyone want to listen to the ramblings of that clown?

V disheartening loss again on Saturday, not pushing on from a point down with the wind with 15min to go was a real kick in the stones, thought Coen showed well despite a couple of wild attempts near the end, would like to see more of him in better conditions too. AOS again slowing play dwn way too much, its time to play him at midfield, his. natural position FFS.

Hard to see us getting anything down in Tralee, would like us to play with a sweeper in this one and give them wing backs full licence to bomb forward, our kick passing game has also gone to pot. Walsh has the potential to cause havoc for our full back line. Would go with something along the lines of this:

Clarke
O’Donoughue-Harrison-Barrett
McLoughlin
Durcan-Plunkett-Higgins
AOS- Ruane
McDonagh-C O’Connor (if fit)-D’O’Connor
Reape-Coen

Subs-Hennelly-Coen-Crowe-Keegan-Boyle-Vaughan-SOS-Doherty-Boland-Loftus-A Moran-Diskin

Think Keegan, Boyle and Doherty can sit this one out, have played plenty of football so far this year and might need them fresh if we have to get a result against Monaghan in last game. Cillian played CHF for Mayo for quite a chunk of Horan’s first tenure and did well, picked out some fantastic passes, only other two players I think we have that are capable of playing in this position with effect are McLoughlin and Loftus so think it’s worth another try, Coen and Reape in well able to take a score given good ball. Would like to see Diskin get a good run in this game too. would play DOC as a 3rd midfielder more than a wing forward. I think with having Plunkett at CHB and McLoughlin as sweeper would allow Durcan and Higgins to bomb forward and cause problems. McLoughlin can also help out with any ball played into Walsh who I’d expect to have an edge on Harrison. Barrett and O’Donoughue needed for this one as both are tight man markers.

I watched the highlights on rte last night and completely gutted from a mayo perspective. We were brutal in that first half and our return of 3 points was outweighed by Galways agin the wind in the second half.

Couldn't believe the pass from O'Laoi for the Galway goal. Remarkable piece of skill that is bereft of the Mayo forward unit. To our detriment.

Horan has to regroup for last two games and secure some return from at least one of the games if not both. He needs this to keep morale up heading into Summer.

Mcloughlin in hindsight should have started, his ball carrying and kicking were suited to conditions and opponents.