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Is the Dublin accent dying?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 centralchill


    nullzero wrote: »
    Far from taking it personally I was just having a laugh.
    But there we have a perfect illustration of the attitude of people outside of Dublin projecting negativity onto anything said or done by anyone in Dublin. The sense of moral superiority people have outside of Dublin in their perception of Dubliners as a collection of stereotypes is too pathetic to see as anything other than hilarious.

    In fairness both of ye are generalising here.

    Life in Dublin is very different to life outside of Dublin , both sides have different opinions, both have positives/negatives etc.

    Being from somewhere only defines a certain percentage of someone, there are other factors such as personal tastes and interests that go deeper then where you are from.

    In Ireland as we are very tribal by nature, where we are from has this magnified importance "hey how are you, and where are you from?"

    It's borderline obsessive, the contradiction is that once we leave Ireland whether it is on holidays or to live for good, we all unite as Irish people and look out for each other/socialise etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    In fairness both of ye are generalising here.

    Life in Dublin is very different to life outside of Dublin , both sides have different opinions, both have positives/negatives etc.

    Being from somewhere only defines a certain percentage of someone, there are other factors such as personal tastes and interests that go deeper then where you are from.

    In Ireland as we are very tribal by nature, where we are from has this magnified importance "hey how are you, and where are you from?"

    It's borderline obsessive, the contradiction is that once we leave Ireland whether it is on holidays or to live for good, we all unite as Irish people and look out for each other/socialise etc.

    Saying that people from a certain place are inheritently stupid is beyond generalising.
    If this person was saying these things and applying them to a group of minorities or people of a certain religious belief these statements would be appropriated as massively irresponsible. I'm not attempting to conflate being from Dublin with anything else, but the type of statements being made by this person are just highlighting their own ignorance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 centralchill


    nullzero wrote: »
    Saying that people from a certain place are inheritently stupid is beyond generalising.
    If this person was saying these things and applying them to a group of minorities or people of a certain religious belief these statements would be appropriated as massively irresponsible. I'm not attempting to conflate being from Dublin with anything else, but the type of statements being made by this person are just highlighting their own ignorance.

    Yeah but this person is not "saying these things and applying them to a group of minorities or people of a certain religious belief " so what does that have to do with anything really to be fair? If he/she was you could bring that in to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,360 ✭✭✭Lorelli!


    Use to love walking through Henry Street and you'd hear the women from the markets...

    'Lighters? Five for a pound' :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    Yeah but this person is not "saying these things and applying them to a group of minorities or people of a certain religious belief " so what does that have to do with anything really to be fair? If he/she was you could bring that in to it.
    Playing the victim. Feelings first.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Lorelli! wrote: »
    Use to love walking through Henry Street and you'd hear the women from the markets...

    'Lighters? Five for a pound' :)

    Get yer Cheeky Charlie .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    Playing the victim. Feelings first.

    Not playing the victim at all, just pointing out how preposterous your ideas are.
    You seem to view the world through a lens of oversimplification, everyone in Dublin is an idiot, they all fit into the mould of lazy stereotypes.
    I'm a victim of nothing, other than having to read your narcissistic nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Yeah but this person is not "saying these things and applying them to a group of minorities or people of a certain religious belief " so what does that have to do with anything really to be fair? If he/she was you could bring that in to it.

    I'm pointing out that making generalisations based upon ridiculous prejudice is always wrong. It's pretty clear that I was saying that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Lorelli! wrote: »
    Use to love walking through Henry Street and you'd hear the women from the markets...

    'Lighters? Five for a pound' :)

    Its pronounced "loiters" ;)

    Geeeet yer loiters


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,590 ✭✭✭theteal


    Lorelli! wrote: »
    Use to love walking through Henry Street and you'd hear the women from the markets...

    'Lighters? Five for a pound' :)

    Not enough syllables in that, it was "pow-ind" :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Its pronounced "loiters" ;)

    Geeeet yer loiters

    Saw a man carrying a toddler on Henry st . Toddler had a cone in his hand and the ice cream dropped off down the mans back

    " Ah Da lookah
    " Ah Jaysus lickah "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 centralchill


    nullzero wrote: »
    I'm pointing out that making generalisations based upon ridiculous prejudice is always wrong. It's pretty clear that I was saying that.

    I don't disagree with your statement above, that's an obvious statement.

    I disagree with what you said before - "IF THIS person was saying these things and applying them to a group of minorities or people of a certain religious belief these statements would be appropriated as massively irresponsible" - that's obvious.


    But he/she is not.


    Thats my point simple as. I get what your trying to say but you are bringing race/religion into something for no reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I don't disagree with your statement above, that's an obvious statement.

    I disagree with what you said before - "IF THIS person was saying these things and applying them to a group of minorities or people of a certain religious belief these statements would be appropriated as massively irresponsible" - that's obvious.


    But he/she is not.


    Thats my point simple as. I get what your trying to say but you are bringing race/religion into something for no reason.

    I'm clearly not trying to bring race or religion into the debate here, I'm simply demonstrating how if you replaced the word Dublin with "black" or "Muslim" or even "traveller" the statement would be unacceptable.

    Making sweeping generalisations is a sure fire way to make yourself appear like a cretin, this Woke Hogan character is clearly making really stupid statements that are only acceptable because he's offending (or to be more accurate, hoping to offend) a group of people that society at large has not been conditioned to defend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,908 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Lorelli! wrote: »
    Use to love walking through Henry Street and you'd hear the women from the markets...

    'Lighters? Five for a pound' :)

    Is the lad with the suitcase of "jewellery" still trading?

    His sales patter was mildly entertaining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 centralchill


    nullzero wrote: »
    I'm clearly not trying to bring race or religion into the debate here, I'm simply demonstrating how if you replaced the word Dublin with "black" or "Muslim" or even "traveller" the statement would be unacceptable.

    Making sweeping generalisations is a sure fire way to make yourself appear like a cretin, this Woke Hogan character is clearly making really stupid statements that are only acceptable because he's offending (or to be more accurate, hoping to offend) a group of people that society at large has not been conditioned to defend.

    Yeah but that argument is flawed. You can't base your argument off "if you replace this word with this word it would be unacceptable."

    That's ridiculous talk, sher you could say that about anything ?

    That's all im saying. So you are bringing religion and ethnicity in to this for no reason in my opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    nullzero wrote: »
    I'm clearly not trying to bring race or religion into the debate here, I'm simply demonstrating how if you replaced the word Dublin with "black" or "Muslim" or even "traveller" the statement would be unacceptable.

    Making sweeping generalisations is a sure fire way to make yourself appear like a cretin, this Woke Hogan character is clearly making really stupid statements that are only acceptable because he's offending (or to be more accurate, hoping to offend) a group of people that society at large has not been conditioned to defend.
    I apologise, I didn't stop to think about the struggles the Dublin minority face daily. If there are are any pro-Dublin charities or awareness campaigns I should be aware of, please let me know so I can educate myself. :rolleyes:

    Wake up, good man. I don't like the accent, so what. You don't have to take or mean everything so personally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    I apologise, I didn't stop to think about the struggles the Dublin minority face daily. If there are are any pro-Dublin charities or awareness campaigns I should be aware of, please let me know so I can educate myself. :rolleyes:

    Wake up, good man. I don't like the accent, so what. You don't have to take or mean everything so personally.

    Might have to have a Telethon to raise funds for them, Woke. Hosted by Joe Duffy, with Aslan, Damien ‘Damo’ Dempsey, and Shane Lynch from Boyzone being the headline acts.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Smell of cow shìte off this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 centralchill


    Smell of cow shìte off this thread.

    "The new report reveals that even an urban metropolis like Dublin is home to 780 farms, 7,000 cows and 19,000 sheep, with more than 8,000 jobs in the food and drink processing sector.

    And surprisingly, the capital also has the biggest farms in the country, with an average size of 47.6 hectares or 118 acres, which is twice the size of the typical farm in Counties Mayo and Monaghan". - Irish Farmers' Association (IFA) report on 'The Value of Agriculture at County Level 2014"

    Yeah your probably right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    "The new report reveals that even an urban metropolis like Dublin is home to 780 farms, 7,000 cows and 19,000 sheep, with more than 8,000 jobs in the food and drink processing sector.

    And surprisingly, the capital also has the biggest farms in the country, with an average size of 47.6 hectares or 118 acres, which is twice the size of the typical farm in Counties Mayo and Monaghan". - Irish Farmers' Association (IFA) report on 'The Value of Agriculture at County Level 2014"

    Yeah your probably right lol.

    So were actually better at being culchies than culchies themselves?:pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,235 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    ...Wake up, good man. I don't like the accent, so what. You don't have to take or mean everything so personally.

    'Kin boorst yiz, cunceyiz.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 centralchill


    Ush1 wrote: »
    So were actually better at being culchies than culchies themselves?:pac:

    That's one way of looking at it I suppose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Funny you mention that, Im on erasmus abroad now and born and bred in Dublin and yesterday a yank asked me if I was american too, so maybe youre right

    Scarleh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    Might have to have a Telethon to raise funds for them, Woke. Hosted by Joe Duffy, with Aslan, Damien ‘Damo’ Dempsey, and Shane Lynch from Boyzone being the headline acts.
    You should be careful, this is the kind of stuff that can get you categorised as a racist or religious bigot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Yeah but that argument is flawed. You can't base your argument off "if you replace this word with this word it would be unacceptable."

    That's ridiculous talk, sher you could say that about anything ?

    That's all im saying. So you are bringing religion and ethnicity in to this for no reason in my opinion.

    Well your opinion is wrong.
    People tend to use comparisons in debate, it's not some maverick move to do so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    You should be careful, this is the kind of stuff that can get you categorised as a racist or religious bigot.

    Or somebody who struggles to read and understand things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,235 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Funny you mention that, Im on erasmus abroad now and born and bred in Dublin and yesterday a yank asked me if I was american too, so maybe youre right

    Scarleh

    People from South Carolina and Texas often wonder why I have a Jamaican accent despite being a white fella. I'm from East Limerick, I sound more-or-less exactly like Pat Shortt. :pac::pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 centralchill


    nullzero wrote: »
    Well your opinion is wrong.
    People tend to use comparisons in debate, it's not some maverick move to do so.

    hahaha fair enough, and your opinion is right is it?

    If thats what you call "comparisons in debate" ha.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The proper Dublin accent is pretty much dead, its either dortspeak now or the schweeer junkie accent


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,235 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Bambi wrote: »
    The proper Dublin accent is pretty much dead, its either dortspeak now or the schweeer junkie accent

    What is "schweeer"?


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