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St. Michan's Church vandalised

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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    ' solid steel internal gate was removed,'

    Doesnt sound like a drunken night out. More like professionals out to make a statement


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    There is a thread on this in History, but hopefully AH will get more traffic.

    Heathens they are anyway for doing this. Uneducated criminals. Sorry for the rant.

    It is a hidden gem and spooky, but a great place to visit. Many Dubs and other Irish have little knowledge of this place.

    Very well worth a visit. But obviously not for months now. Feckers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    First time since the mid 90s so probably the children of the original vandals.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    ' solid steel internal gate was removed,'

    Doesnt sound like a drunken night out. More like professionals out to make a statement
    The strangest part of the whole thing is that something similar happened in the late 1990s: some young lads broke into the crypt, and allegedy played soccer with a dismembered skull.

    You'd reckon sound heads would prevail by now. Hhnghhh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    The-Exorcist-Virgin-Mary-desecrated.png


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,950 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Anywhere else in Europe if you ****ed with a heritage site you'd be looking at jail time, but here you might get a slap on the wrist if you're unlucky....... Ridiculous.

    Shame as it's a true hidden gem of Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    I think we should bring back flogging. A slap on the wrist just isn't enough any more, and we can't keep them all in jail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Anywhere else in Europe if you ****ed with a heritage site you'd be looking at jail time, but here you might get a slap on the wrist if you're unlucky....... Ridiculous.

    Shame as it's a true hidden gem of Dublin.

    Often people dont get jail, plenty of suspended sentences handed out for been caught damaging walls in Auschwitz


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    God that is horrible .800 hundred years old like


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    irishgeo wrote: »
    Often people dont get jail, plenty of suspended sentences handed out for been caught damaging walls in Auschwitz
    And that doesn't seem right either.

    Difference between this and Auschwitz, though, is that in this case the individuals concerned have been dead for hundreds, perhaps almost a thousand years. They have no known living descendants.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    Was just waiting for the muslim reference. :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Just read about that now.
    I'm angry.
    it's just so fckin dumb.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭The Satanist


    They haven't even considered the possibility that old Mrs Mummy rose from the dead and done a runner. Kind of odd since their whole belief is based on a similar tale lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    They haven't even considered the possibility that old Mrs Mummy rose from the dead and done a runner. Kind of odd since their whole belief is based on a similar tale lol

    did the head run off on its own?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    BBFAN wrote: »
    Was just waiting for the muslim reference. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    they never disappoint.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭The Satanist


    did the head run off on its own?


    The Lord works in mysterious ways.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    hmmm wrote: »
    I think we should bring back flogging. A slap on the wrist just isn't enough any more, and we can't keep them all in jail.

    You mean proper flogging with cat o' nine tails. Anyone who has previously visited or are historically connected to the church can give them each 12 of the best. I will taking it easy to dust them off with salt afterwards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The Lord works in mysterious ways.

    *looks at username*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭ozmo


    They seemed to know what the were after - that mummy they destroyed is at the futherest from the enterance and the main attraction of the tour.

    “Roll it back”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    BBFAN wrote: »
    Was just waiting for the muslim reference. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    well, who else would decapitate a crusader skeleton?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    goose2005 wrote: »
    well, who else would decapitate a crusader skeleton?

    Well there have been churches and grave years descretated right across Europe in the last few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    *looks at username*

    I'm sure many, if not most, satanic sects would acknowledge the existence of a God.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,075 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    A place I kept planing to visit but never got to.


    Complete and utter scumbags. How could someone ruin a piece of history like that? This really pissed me off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    wakka12 wrote: »
    God that is horrible .800 hundred years old like

    Its also where Handel played his Messiah, the woodcutting that used to adorn the £50 note. not to mention the crusader who died during the black death, some of the most prominent Dublin families are buried there


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23 SKILFUL


    Leftys are trying to frame muslims for this
    Muslimz would never do this
    Only the left would sink this low


  • Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think it’s disgusting behaviour. Disgusting to treat the remains of a human being like this.

    Disgusted by the Church turning those and other remains into a tourist attraction and by the vandals for their actions.

    It’s about time the remains were properly interred and the crypts permanently closed to the public. If the church learned its lesson the first time vandals caused damage, instead of thinking about footfall and revenue (a prime concern, no doubt), there would be no reason for this thread.

    Arseholes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Disgusted by the Church turning those and other remains into a tourist attraction and by the vandals for their actions.

    It’s about time the remains were properly interred and the crypts permanently closed to the public. If the church learned its lesson the first time vandals caused damage, instead of thinking about footfall and revenue (a prime concern, no doubt), there would be no reason for this thread.
    .

    A building is a living thing, it needs to be aired and heated. Look at all those government hospitals that were abandoned and within 2 years they had gone to rack and ruin. These buildings also have an educational function as well. Moulds and mildews and rots would set into the wood. Part of the crypts is the limestone preserves the bodies.

    This is about education and respect or lack there of.


  • Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A building is a living thing, it needs to be aired and heated. Look at all those government hospitals that were abandoned and within 2 years they had gone to rack and ruin. These buildings also have an educational function as well. Moulds and mildews and rots would set into the wood. Part of the crypts is the limestone preserves the bodies.

    This is about education and respect or lack there of.

    The crypt does not need to be heated or ‘aired’, nor does it need tourists and the maintenance of access-ways to facilitate them.

    The crypts are the final resting places, or should be, for the religious faithful (and I’m not) whose remains were placed there. The public/tourists have no business going there and the Church of Ireland have no business running tours into the crypts either.

    This is most certainly about a lack of respect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    JayZeus wrote: »
    The crypt does not need to be heated or ‘aired’, nor does it need tourists and the maintenance of access-ways to facilitate them.

    The crypts are the final resting places, or should be, for the religious faithful (and I’m not) whose remains were placed there. The public/tourists have no business going there and the Church of Ireland have no business running tours into the crypts either.

    This is most certainly about a lack of respect.

    True but those stone buildings do need maintenance and roofs need to be fixed and maintained. If more people attended services and paid dues then there would be less need for tours. The main selling point for me going to St. Michans was to see the crypts. Stone masons, steeple jacks and roofers all cost massive money. If you are not a member of the congregation then you really arent entitled to get a say. Have you actually visited any of these sites? taken rubbings from flag stones? All these trades men and services have to be paid for in someway or other. Have you ever seen the work and perfection that goes into stone masonry? Seen all the tools and each piece fits from an architects plans to completion often decades later (sometimes after the architect has died)? How do you propose the building upkeeps itself, if you cut off its largest revenue stream?

    I have been there and found it fantastic rewarding and educational experience. I have often wondered what was the story behind the "giant" 6ft crusader and how he travelled back and forth to the holy land and what he saw there. I did it just this evening as my girlfriend watched "Celebrity Dating". You see the contrast in education there?


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  • Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    True but those stone buildings do need maintenance and roofs need to be fixed and maintained. If more people attended services and paid dues then there would be less need for tours.

    I have been there and found it fantastic rewarding and educational experience. I have often wondered what was the story behind the "giant" 6ft crusader and how he travelled back and forth to the holy land and what he saw there. I did it just this evening as my girlfriend watched "Celebrity Dating". You see the contrast in education there?

    I see a clear difference in education alright. And respect.

    When those remains were placed there and later when they were moved as the crypts were altered/repaired, they were interred with respect in what was and should be a ‘place of rest’.

    They were not placed there to be treated either as an educational or entertainment/tourist attraction. I find it impossible to reconcile the disrespectful treatment of those remains in allowing public access with an argument in favour of educating people or paying for roof and building repairs.

    Let the congregation pay for the upkeep of the church building while showing respect for those who were laid to rest beneath it, both Catholic and Protestant. The vaults should be sealed permanently at this stage.


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