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Drones spotted over Dublin

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  • #2
    L1011
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    Pre-emptive mod warning - conspiracy theories can go to the CT forum and cards/bans will be used liberally. There will be no individual warnings - this is the warning


  • #3
    miamee
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    Link to report in TheJournal, though there is really no more info than in the OP: https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-airport-drone-4505111-Feb2019/


  • #4
    jon1981
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    FFS, need to be harsh laws brought in against these idiots. As a frequent flyer I can imagine the frustrations of the passengers now.

    And I mean harsh, like prison time. The financial cost of this type of disruption can easily run into millions.


  • #5
    theteal
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    Parents flying later this evening, ooops


  • #6
    Mr_Man2121
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    L1011 wrote: »
    Pre-emptive mod warning - conspiracy theories can go to the CT forum and cards/bans will be used liberally. There will be no individual warnings - this is the warning

    What's a card btw?


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  • #7
    Bazzy
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    It will be interesting to see what the reaction is from the airport/emergency services

    My helicopter and shot gun theory would still work


  • #8
    bronn
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    Runway reopened now.


  • #9
    lolie
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    bronn wrote: »
    Runway reopened now.

    2 flights diverted, looks like one to Shannon and one to Belfast.


  • #10
    jon1981
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    I still want to see public flogging ... ( Prison time isn't harsh enough).


  • #11
    miamee
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    That was very short-lived, thankfully. Although not fun for those on diverted flights.

    https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1098554129629229056


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  • #12
    numbnutz
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    Drones should be treated like a controlled substance.The threat of disruption to aviation and passengers lives is just too great to ignore. Gatwick at Christmas Dubai last week and now this.Shoot them down and jail the perpetrators is the only solution.Registration of all drones with the IAA prior to sale to the public, a nightmare of bull**** paperwork and administration I know but this is what needs to be done.
    That said I hope it wasn't a police/firebrigade drone....doh!!


  • #13
    theguzman
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    A lot of planes circling around waiting to land at the moment, a flight from Frankfurt headed to Shannon and another from Heathrow gone to Belfast, both Aer Lingus.


  • #14
    Homer
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    The problem is always identifying the owner/operator. Modern drones can and do have a range from controller to drone of several kms!
    The person flying the drone could be a LONG way from the location of the drone. And trying to track a small drone that can travel at up to 50km/h is a logistical nightmare.
    The largest mamafacture of drones is DJI and they use geofence technology to prevent users taking off too close to major airports, however the cheaper Chinese off the shelf drones can fly anywhere unfortunately.
    Some people really are ar$eholes carrying on this crap after all the upset and cost incurred after Gatwick :mad:


  • #15
    Wheres Me Jumper?
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    can we blame Brexit?


  • #16
    Storm 10
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    Maybe there was no drone lets not tarnish all Drone owners, look recently at some UK Airport where a Kestrel was mistaken for a Drone the way the hover and move could have been one of them they are out there at the Airport.


  • #17
    Idbatterim
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    Sure I’m used to sitting on the airfield for nearly an hour after pushback in Dublin!

    Had to laugh at this in a way, visions of chief wiggam Irish guardai driving around with a net trying to catch it!


  • #18
    NomadicGray
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Sure I’m used to sitting on the airfield for nearly an hour after pushback in Dublin!

    Had to laugh at this in a way, visions of chief wiggam Irish guardai driving around with a net trying to catch it!

    The drone is hatless! Repeat, hatless!!


  • #19
    Hector Savage
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    I wonder was it some naive idiot just trying to get a good photo of a plane, or was there a more sinister motive behind it.


  • #20
    Mebuntu
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    RTE News at One. DAA rep said drone was spotted by pilots of aircraft taxying out for takeoff.


  • #21
    sjb25
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    Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »
    can we blame Brexit?

    I blame the cyclists #payroadtax


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  • #22
    expectationlost
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    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Maybe there was no drone lets not tarnish all Drone owners, look recently at some UK Airport where a Kestrel was mistaken for a Drone the way the hover and move could have been one of them they are out there at the Airport.
    where was that?


  • #23
    Storm 10
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    where was that?

    Not sure but I saw it on Sky a while back.


  • #24
    Hotblack Desiato
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    There's no easy way to stop this.

    Yes some drones are geofenced - but the software can be reflashed with open source control software which isn't

    All the stuff about registration and licensing - will only affect those owners who want to obey the law. It's quite easy to construct your own drone from off the shelf parts.

    Signal jamming - no effect on a pre-programmed flight route which doesn't depend on a wifi / 3G signal for command and control

    Scrap the cap!



  • #25
    fullstop
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    sjb25 wrote: »
    I blame the cyclists #payroadtax

    No such thing as road tax in Ireland.


  • #26
    vicwatson
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    jon1981 wrote: »
    FFS, need to be harsh laws brought in against these idiots. As a frequent flyer I can imagine the frustrations of the passengers now.

    And I mean harsh, like prison time. The financial cost of this type of disruption can easily run into millions.

    Agreed, and those clowns with laser lights


  • #27
    vicwatson
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    Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »
    can we blame Brexit?

    Interesting though. If brexit, would those 3 shamrocks have had to go to ROI airport instead of 2 to “UK” in this scenario?


  • #28
    arubex
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    vicwatson wrote: »
    Interesting though. If brexit, would those 3 shamrocks have had to go to ROI airport instead of 2 to “UK” in this scenario?

    No, diversion is in scope of the first five freedoms which are internationally accepted by treaty.

    Second Freedom of the Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State or States to land in its territory for non-traffic purposes (also known as a Second Freedom Right).

    The ICAO long, long predates the EU and had all this stuff thrashed-out by the late 1940s.


  • #29
    martyc5674
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    In an article on breaking news I took this quote.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/update-drone-which-grounded-flights-in-dublin-could-return-airport-warns-906124.html

    “Other airports in Europe have taken measures such as having birds of prey to attack drones”


    Surely that’s not true!!.. a decent size drone would mince a swan FFS!!

    I see drone defence becoming necessary now around airfields.
    Marty.


  • #30
    jimbis
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    martyc5674 wrote: »
    In an article on breaking news I took this quote.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/update-drone-which-grounded-flights-in-dublin-could-return-airport-warns-906124.html

    “Other airports in Europe have taken measures such as having birds of prey to attack drones”


    Surely that’s not true!!.. a decent size drone would mince a swan FFS!!

    I see drone defence becoming necessary now around airfields.
    Marty.
    It would also drop that drone straight to the ground though. Worthy sacrifice if it was of malicious intent.


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  • #31
    dodderangler
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    Need to get a few of them golden eagles that are trained to take out drones.
    I know a guy


  • #32
    TCM
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    Mebuntu wrote:
    RTE News at One. DAA rep said drone was spotted by pilots of aircraft taxying out for takeoff.

    I don't believe a word of it.


  • #33
    martyc5674
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    jimbis wrote: »
    It would also drop that drone straight to the ground though. Worthy sacrifice if it was of malicious intent.

    Worthy sacrifice alright but couldn’t see too many bird trainer/lovers being in that game!
    Maybe im totally wrong.
    What they need IMO is a drone pilot on standby with some monster drone that can take down another drone or at the very least lock onto it and follow it home.


  • #34
    robbie1876
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    TCM wrote: »
    I don't believe a word of it.

    https://www.liveatc.net/archive.php?m=eidw_twr_118600

    Put in date 21st Feb. Feed - Dublin Tower. Time 11:30-12:00Z

    Listen to the first couple of minutes for the evidence.


  • #35
    Homer
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    robbie1876 wrote: »
    https://www.liveatc.net/archive.php?m=eidw_twr_118600

    Put in date 21st Feb. Feed - Dublin Tower. Time 11:30-12:00Z

    Listen to the first couple of minutes for the evidence.

    What I think he means is that while the pilot reports he thinks he sees a drone over runway 28 its just not possible to verify if it was actually a drone. There weren't multiple reports, and all pilots have phones that could have taken a picture/video of the drone surely? They are VERY small objects to spot from 50-100m away and while I don't doubt the pilot was making up the sighting I just think people are questioning the facts.


  • #36
    markpb
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    Homer wrote: »
    all pilots have phones that could have taken a picture/video of the drone surely

    I'm not sure if it's entirely appropriate for a pilot on take-off or descent to start taking photos on their phones.


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  • #37
    Homer
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    markpb wrote: »
    I'm not sure if it's entirely appropriate for a pilot on take-off or descent to start taking photos on their phones.

    They were taxiing when reported the sighting but appreciate your concern ;)


  • #38
    arubex
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    dodderangler wrote: »
    Need to get a few of them golden eagles that are trained to take out drones.

    And then pilots will get confused and start reporting eagles as drones, causing eagles to be launched and...

    It would seem to be much simpler to have a centimetric radar that just scans for drones.


  • #39
    Strumms
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    jon1981 wrote: »
    FFS, need to be harsh laws brought in against these idiots. As a frequent flyer I can imagine the frustrations of the passengers now.

    And I mean harsh, like prison time. The financial cost of this type of disruption can easily run into millions.

    It does need to be prison time. Not for the financial cost of disruption but for the serious potential to loss of life and property. With drones becoming more available and attainable and the same it seems with the number of brain dead fûcking dickheads in society I’m fearing its only a matter of time before one of these ‘hey look at me, look at what I can do’ dîckhead attention seekers causes some terrible event.


  • #40
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Homer wrote: »
    There weren't multiple reports, and all pilots have phones that could have taken a picture/video of the drone surely?

    Impossible to get a picture of something that small on a phone camera unless it's very close by, you'd need an SLR with a long lens

    I'd be very surprised if any airports are encouraging birds to live/nest in their vicinity, it's the last thing they want, anyone got actual proof of this from an industry source?

    Scrap the cap!



  • #41
    faoiarvok
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    Homer wrote: »
    all pilots have phones that could have taken a picture/video of the drone surely? They are VERY small objects to spot from 50-100m away

    Which is it?


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  • #42
    Homer
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    faoiarvok wrote: »
    Which is it?

    You might want to re read my post and then look up in the dictionary what a rhetorical question is. If you’re stuck drop me a PM and I’ll explain it to you. :rolleyes:


  • #43
    Homer
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Impossible to get a picture of something that small on a phone camera unless it's very close by, you'd need an SLR with a long lens

    That was my point. Equally hard for a pilot to see exactly what it was through a window at several hundred yards.


  • #44
    robbie1876
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    Plenty of SLRs with long lenses at the plane spotters area, and the airport police were over to that area pretty quickly once the incident kicked off. I'd be surprised if none of those spotters took the chance to take photos of a drone over Dublin Airport.


  • #45
    faoiarvok
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    Homer wrote: »
    You might want to re read my post and then look up in the dictionary what a rhetorical question is. If you’re stuck drop me a PM and I’ll explain it to you. :rolleyes:

    No need to act supercilious, we're all well aware what a rhetorical question is, but they're generally supposed to be used in service of your argument rather than to undercut it. Then again, you seem to be certain that the pilot falsified the report, unless you need to look up the definition of 'doubt'.
    Homer wrote: »
    ...while I don't doubt the pilot was making up the sighting...


  • #46
    mikel97
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    robbie1876 wrote: »
    https://www.liveatc.net/archive.php?m=eidw_twr_118600

    Put in date 21st Feb. Feed - Dublin Tower. Time 11:30-12:00Z

    Listen to the first couple of minutes for the evidence.

    That lady in traffic controls kinda said it actually. "Gawd bless are eyesight" Size of a "dinner plate".
    Doubt there was any drone. More people would have seen it with the registration spotters always looking up. Someone needs get eye check.


  • #47
    expectationlost
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    One genuine pilot is enough to take action but.... Drone at airport may have been false alarm
    A drone sighting that suspended flights at Dublin airport may have been a false alarm as gardaave been unable to find a second witness.

    A Ryanair pilot reported seeing a drone over the runway on Thursday morning. “Just to let you know there’s something that looks like a drone just over runway 2-8,” he told air traffic control operators just before 11:30am. The pilot said that the drone was about 200ft above the ground when he spotted it from inside the cockpit.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/drone-at-airport-may-have-been-false-alarm-95bwrsfsh



    I know there was some doubt that there were drones in the UK but they were seen by multiple professionals numerous times.


  • #48
    Storm 10
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    I still think it may have been a Kestrel they hover at a standstill with only tiny movements of their wings so it could easily have been that


  • #49
    Nijmegen
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    Better safe than sorry.


  • #50
    robbie1876
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    I wonder would this fall under the remit of AAIU to investigate? No specific aircraft were involved in an 'incident' or 'occurrence' as such, but it would make for interesting reading to read their report. We may not know if there were other confirmed sightings on the airfield until such a report is produced.


  • #51
    Van.Bosch
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    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Better safe than sorry.

    Exactly, pilot reported something that might be a drone. Did the right thing


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