NFL Protest Discussion

Billy86 wrote: »

Labor Day weekend also does not account for a 31% increase in sales

The article I saw said it was over the Labor Day extended weekend.

Billy86 wrote: »

So a missed opportunity there, but a huge win for Nike and Kaepernick at the expense of the NFL

I don't think the NFL is doing too badly.

The article I saw kinda summed this all up really. Two years later the discussion is about Kap, protesting, the flag, the military, Trump, Nike........ and the actually issue not getting the coverage.

Billy86

munstermagic11 wrote: »

The article I saw said it was over the Labor Day extended weekend.

Yes, but it also says that last year by comparison the jump was 17% - so it basically doubled the jump of last year despite there apparently being a boycott going on. Labor Day weekend does mean a bump in sales, but only about half of the 31% bump Nike just saw.

I don't think the NFL is doing too badly.

The article I saw kinda summed this all up really. Two years later the discussion is about Kap, protesting, the flag, the military, Trump, Nike........ and the actually issue not getting the coverage.

You're right that the NFL is doing pretty great all in all - the talk of "falling TV ratings" is gibberish because of the likes of Gamepass and other similar setups, which have NFL breaking record revenue year on year.

I'm also not surprised to see a lack of coverage on the issue as it's something a large amount of anti-protesters simply do not want to acknowledge and are hostile towards having pointed out to them, and then you have the US President breaking the laws of his own country while also making it into a large political issue to distract from his own unfortunate headlines.

This is often the case with protests, that those against them want to deal with everything but the issue itself - hence why those protesting have felt the need to resort to doing so. Sometimes the issue does not get addressed and sometimes it does, but in the case of the latter it often takes a long time for that to happen.

TOss Sweep

Didn't go as well as they though it would those boycotting and Burning Nike stuff

Nike stock hits all-time high, sparking climb in corporate value of roughly $5 billion since Kaepernick deal was announced

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/14/nike-stock-closes-at-a-record-high/

Can't be attributed to the KAp thing definitively but seen as those who hate Kap used the 3% decrease we might as well use their argument back against them

Kaepernick settled with the NFL and looks like he got paid...

https://twitter.com/mikefreemanNFL/status/1096495453548564480

D9Male

Fair play to Kaep. I like it when good guys win.

Billy86

No collusion, no collusion. :pac:

Good on him though, he thoroughly deserves it and I doubt the prosecution ever needed to do more than just play every snap taken by Brett Hundley in 2017 to confirm that.

D9Male wrote: »

Fair play to Kaep. I like it when good guys win.

When I saw the news, I actually thought the NFL won. Even at the top figure of $80m, they've made this go away for peanuts for them. In the end, both sides settled, so not sure who won.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

When I saw the news, I actually thought the NFL won. Even at the top figure of $80m, they've made this go away for peanuts for them. In the end, both sides settled, so not sure who won.

The nfl gave up trying to win once someone traded for flacco!

He won I imagine and it will be seen that way. They paid someone to stop going to court. They knew they'd lose

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

They knew they'd lose

Then why did Kaep settle? He could have gotten more maybe, and won in court to strengthen the outcome in his favor?
All we actually know is that they both settled, with no view of the actual details; it could be that Kaep wasn't sure he'd win and so settled.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Then why did Kaep settle? He could have gotten more maybe, and won in court to strengthen the outcome in his favor?
All we actually know is that they both settled, with no view of the actual details; it could be that Kaep wasn't sure he'd win and so settled.

Because civil suits in America can be dragged on for a decade with a massive bill for the suing party.

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Because civil suits in America can be dragged on for a decade with a massive bill for the suing party.

There’s a bill for both parties. If Kaep was sure to win, he’d get costs as well.

All we actually know is that both parties settled. I assume Kaep got some good money, and the NFL make it go away. Seems more of a win for the NFL to me, collusion case is no more.

Ivefoundgod

Twitter saying around 60-80m for Kaep. I would call that a win for him, unlikely he would have earned much more in salary in the last few years and the fact the NFL paid him that shows they knew the jig was up.

So Kaepernick accepts a big settlement and it's all hush, hush and people are happy about it.?
I thought this wasn't about money, thought it was about black kids and the cops?
So because Kaepernick gets his money it doesn't matter anymore?
Basically he has accepted a settlement offer and it is all about him. People got conned by an athlete yet again.

eagle eye wrote: »

So Kaepernick accepts a big settlement and it's all hush, hush and people are happy about it.?
I thought this wasn't about money, thought it was about black kids and the cops?
So because Kaepernick gets his money it doesn't matter anymore?
Basically he has accepted a settlement offer and it is all about him. People got conned by an athlete yet again.

I'm not sure where you are getting that the cause he protested for doesn't matter anymore. You're conflating two separate things there, as his protest during the anthem has nothing to do with settling here.

The lawsuit was essentially demanding lost earnings from the league and from all reports he's gotten that and more. What would have been the better result from taking it to trial? If anything there could be more in this settlement to benefit his cause than anything a judge could give.

I do wonder where all those posters are that were so adamant that he had absolutely no case and that he'd be laughed out of court.

eagle eye wrote: »

So Kaepernick accepts a big settlement and it's all hush, hush and people are happy about it.?
I thought this wasn't about money, thought it was about black kids and the cops?
So because Kaepernick gets his money it doesn't matter anymore?
Basically he has accepted a settlement offer and it is all about him. People got conned by an athlete yet again.

He was blacklisted and kept out of the league for his political beliefs. That is what the lawsuit was over. And he very clearly was. Some of the back ups in the league are easily worse than him

Foxtrol wrote:

I do wonder where all those posters are that were so adamant that he had absolutely no case and that he'd be laughed out of court.

Well I'd be one of those that didn't think he had a case because he had lost his way and become a poor QB before the kneeling started.

raze_them_all_ wrote:

He was blacklisted and kept out of the league for his political beliefs. That is what the lawsuit was over. And he very clearly was. Some of the back ups in the league are easily worse than him

Well and if I was a coach I wouldn't have signed him for two reasons, firstly because he was no good and secondly because if the potential for locker room conflict because of the kneeling.
I don't think anybody could take a case against you over that because it's just good management.

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I'd be one of those that didn't think he had a case because he had lost his way and become a poor QB before the kneeling started.

So I take from your lack of response to my other points that you also accept that you were talking out of your arse regarding the connection between accepting the settlement and the wider cause he was protesting

Foxtrol wrote:

So I take from your lack of response to my other points that you also accept that you were talking out of your arse regarding the connection between accepting the settlement and the wider cause he was protesting

I'm saying it might all have been a con job to get a nice payday.

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm saying it might all have been a con job to get a nice payday.

You've really moved into tin foil hat territory there.

Pretty big risk he was taking running a 'con' over 2.5 years while giving away a lot of money to charity during that period, especially when you claimed he didn't have a case to begin with.

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I'd be one of those that didn't think he had a case because he had lost his way and become a poor QB before the kneeling started.

Blake bortles has a job. To this day.

jack presley

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Blake bortles has a job. To this day.

2 teams have had Nathan Peterman on their roster too.

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

He was blacklisted and kept out of the league for his political beliefs.

He was offered some deals I believe (Bronco’s), but wasn’t happy with the money. Reported to have wanted $20m to play in the AAF when approached. Ravens went for him, but fans went nuts. So he wasn’t exactly blacklisted.

With the Nike money and now this payoff, IMO he’s taken the money first and foremost. Totally up to him, but he hasn’t really suffered much and not the martyr some portray him as.

I personally do think he was at least good enough to be a backup for a number of teams; but he’s nowhere near the player he was in his first few years.

But he now has the chance to really make a difference and go down the political avenue if he so desires.

raze_them_all_ wrote:

Blake bortles has a job. To this day.

Bortles is better than him and that's not saying much for either of them.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

He was offered some deals I believe (Bronco’s), but wasn’t happy with the money. Reported to have wanted $20m to play in the AAF when approached. Ravens went for him, but fans went nuts. So he wasn’t exactly blacklisted.

None of that points to the fact he wasn't blacklisted. Broncos was before the protest and they wanted him to take a paycut on the money he had guaranteed with the 49ers in any trade. AAF is a separate league, with $20m being about going rate for a QB in the NFL and that's the level he see himself as. Ravens floating that they were thinking about signing him and not following through is pretty much worthless.

With the Nike money and now this payoff, IMO he’s taken the money first and foremost. Totally up to him, but he hasn’t really suffered much and not the martyr some portray him as.

I'm not sure many have been portraying him as a martyr in the last 20 hours. There was a period prior to this deal and definitely prior to the Nike ad (5 months ago) where it wasn't outlandish to portray him that way.

Ivefoundgod

munstermagic11 wrote: »

He was offered some deals I believe (Bronco’s), but wasn’t happy with the money. Reported to have wanted $20m to play in the AAF when approached. Ravens went for him, but fans went nuts. So he wasn’t exactly

The AAF $20m story was nonsense, one anonymous source and Benjamin allbright saying he has sources saying otherwise. The AAF reached out to Tebow and Kap, both declined to enter into any discussion which Tebow has confirmed this while Kap hasn't addressed it.

As a Ravens fan what you're saying isn't correct, there was very little backlash or outrage from the fans until his idiot girlfriend put up this tweet;

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/06/colin-kaepernick-ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-nessa-diab-nfl

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

The AAF $20m story was nonsense, one anonymous source

There’s no actual sources on the money in the settlement either, but we’re using the figures cited (in a non disclosure agreement).

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

As a Ravens fan what you're saying isn't correct

Being a Ravens fan has nothing to do with it. It got plenty of coverage. There was a blacklash at the time. The girlfriends actions (more influential to the owners decision) certainly incited it further, but it was there.