The perks of being a rock star don't exist anymore

Epic Eir Epic · 15-02-2019 05:52PM #1

Folk rocker Ryan Adams is the latest victim of the witch hunt. His ex wife is now giving out about how he seduced her. If you can't dangle the carrot out to get sex, then it makes it harder to get it.

His ex wife has now come out for the second time to complain about. Did she not get her fill from the first time? She's described him as "manic and destructive"! She then went on to say that he remarked she "wasn't a musician because she didn't play an instrument". Seems like everyday stuff to me!

https://jezebel.com/report-ryan-adams-allegedly-pursued-women-for-sex-whil-1832604895

SoundsRight · 15-02-2019 05:59PM

It begs the question why women entered into relationships with him, if he was such a big meanie.

mad muffin · 15-02-2019 06:05PM

Ryan Adams. Brian Adams’s pervy, more rapey brother.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-02-2019 06:06PM

SoundsRight wrote: »

It begs the question why women entered into relationships with him, if he was such a big meanie.

He was kind of cute when he was younger/thinner.

In a scruffy redneck sort of way.

tritium · 15-02-2019 06:20PM

I always figured the entertainment industry, especially stateside, was one big cesspool. Everyone looking to use everyone else- emotionally, sexually, financially, career wise, image wise, whatever.....

Last few years haven’t really changed my opinion...

Irish Guitarist · 15-02-2019 06:36PM

One of the 'perks' was that no one cared if you slept with young girls. I think Gary Glitter molesting girls whose ages weren't even in double digits made people rethink their attitude to this and made them wonder where they should draw the line. Music books and magazines used to be full of stories about how great Led Zeppelin were for having sex with anything with a pulse and for shoving fish inside women but I think most people nowadays would think this looks creepy.

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RWCNT · 15-02-2019 06:55PM

Irish Guitarist is right.

**** loads of rockers slept with and dated scandalously young girls and somehow got away with it for decades. Bowie, Steven Tyler, Ted Nugent, Elvis Presley and more.

They're making a movie out of Motley Crues legendary memoir "The Dirt" next year. I'm very curious to see if any controversy comes out of it as there's a bit in the book where one of them openly admits to helping his band mate rape a girl.

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-02-2019 07:00PM

I believe Motley Crue kept a fine selection of women in cages behind the stage should be fun on social media when that film is released

Flyingsnowball · 15-02-2019 07:02PM

Mad isn’t it. In the 70s 80s 90s these girls went to these gigs with the dream of being with Bowie or jimmy Paige or whoever.
A very small percentage got to make that happen.
Nobody was bothered until this year.

I’m not condoning it or saying it’s terrible. Just mad.
It’s like people were letting the musicians at it once they weren’t fiddling the boys.

suicide_circus · 15-02-2019 07:07PM

these bands didnt go out grooming random girls, these groupies threw themselves at them left right and centre. very few men would remain saintly under those conditions.

Irish Guitarist · 15-02-2019 07:10PM

I remember a music magazine wrote a review of a biography by John Kaye, lead singer with the band Steppenwolf. This biography was called Magic Carpet Ride, after the bands second biggest hit. Their biggest hit single was Born To Be Wild.

The review of this book pointed out the reason it wasn't named after their biggest hit was because he wasn't born to be wild at all and as an example of this they quoted a part of the book where he said he was shocked to see a girl at a concert dancing around half naked that was barely seventeen.

Apparently this was a really boring point of view. He would have gotten more respect from the writers of this magazine if he was going around having sex with every teenage girl he could find.

The White Wolf · 15-02-2019 07:18PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

these bands didnt go out grooming random girls, these groupies threw themselves at them left right and centre. very few men would remain saintly under those conditions.

Dodgy footing you're on there if you can acknowledge some of those groupies were underage. Bare in mind Ryan Adams came to prominence in the early 2000s.

15-02-2019 07:20PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

these bands didnt go out grooming random girls, these groupies threw themselves at them left right and centre. very few men would remain saintly under those conditions.

I think you're being unfair to most men here. I don't think I'm alone in not understanding the attraction towards teenagers - even those who are over 18. If you don't understand that, maybe you're the one with the problem, and not the rest of us.

15-02-2019 07:24PM

I don't think that most men would exploit star struck teenagers given the opportunity. Most people recognise that teenagers don't always act in their own best interests and make responsible decisions with that in mind, as adults.

Sardonicat · 15-02-2019 07:29PM

When are they coming for Jimmy Page?

suicide_circus · 15-02-2019 07:36PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I think you're being unfair to most men here. I don't think I'm alone in not understanding the attraction towards teenagers - even those who are over 18. If you don't understand that, maybe you're the one with the problem, and not the rest of us.

ok, most men, in the 70s and 80s, coked up, strung out, ****faced. im not condoning anything but it's not surprising they weren't checking IDs on the tour bus.

professore · 15-02-2019 07:38PM

Candie wrote: »

I don't think that most men would exploit star struck teenagers given the opportunity. Most people recognise that teenagers don't always act in their own best interests and make responsible decisions with that in mind, as adults.

A lot of these rock stars weren't much older than teenagers themselves - in a situation that is highly unusual for most young men, ie women tearing each others hair out to have sex with them. I think most normal young men in that situation would have lots of sex.

I'd go so far as to say there would be something wrong with them if they didn't. Having sex with underage girls is a whole other can of worms though.

The White Wolf · 15-02-2019 07:42PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

When are they coming for Jimmy Page?

When he's dead.

Sardonicat · 15-02-2019 07:47PM

The White Wolf wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

When are they coming for Jimmy Page?

When he's dead.

Why so?

is_that_so · 15-02-2019 08:02PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

ok, most men, in the 70s and 80s, coked up, strung out, ****faced. im not condoning anything but it's not surprising they weren't checking IDs on the tour bus.

Same with Beatles in Hamburg. They were queuing up to join the boys, no questions asked. Wasn't there a story about Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith, that he hadn't waited until she was legal?

jbt123 · 15-02-2019 08:04PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

When are they coming for Jimmy Page?

When the levee breaks....

Colonel Claptrap · 15-02-2019 08:06PM

Free love on the free love freeway
The love is free and the freeway's long...
I got some hot love on the hot-love highway
I ain't going home cos' my baby's gone

Arne_Saknussem · 15-02-2019 08:09PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

When are they coming for Jimmy Page?

They may not, Bowie seems to ge getting a pass.

Sardonicat · 15-02-2019 08:13PM

is_that_so wrote: »

suicide_circus wrote: »

ok, most men, in the 70s and 80s, coked up, strung out, ****faced. im not condoning anything but it's not surprising they weren't checking IDs on the tour bus.

Same with Beatles in Hamburg. They were queuing up to join the boys, no questions asked. Wasn't there a story about Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith, that he hadn't waited until she was legal?

The Beatles in Hamburg? Hardly the same thing. George Harrison got deported for being underage to work on a Visa! They were only kids themselves.

Big difference between a bunch of teenage boys and girls and a 40 something Bill Wyman and 13 yo Mandy Smith.

Sardonicat · 15-02-2019 08:14PM

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

When are they coming for Jimmy Page?

They may not, Bowie seems to ge getting a pass.

Bowie too? Did not know that.

is_that_so · 15-02-2019 08:15PM

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

They may not, Bowie seems to ge getting a pass.

After the seventies he calmed down and there's little said by anyone about that time. According to one biography, he was indiscriminate in his tastes but never really any suggestion that he was involved with those underage.

is_that_so · 15-02-2019 08:16PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

The Beatles in Hamburg? Hardly the same thing. George Harrison got deported for being underage to work on a Visa! They were only kids themselves.

Big difference between a bunch of teenage boys and girls and a 40 something Bill Wyman and 13 yo Mandy Smith.

Sure, but different times and what was tolerated. Wyman was 52!

Arne_Saknussem · 15-02-2019 08:19PM

is_that_so wrote: »

After the seventies he calmed down and there's little said by anyone about that time. According to one biography, he was indiscriminate in his tastes but never really any suggestion that he was involved with those underage.

Sardonicat wrote: »

Bowie too? Did not know that.

The girl in the picture is Lori Maddox, 15 years old at the time of this picture i believe. She claims she lost her virginity to David Bowie.

is_that_so · 15-02-2019 08:24PM

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

The girl in the picture is Lori Maddox, 15 years old at the time of this picture i believe. She claims she lost her virginity to David Bowie.

There are questions over that, especially the timing and that there are no pictures but loads of her with Page. She may also have had a relationship with Jagger. As I said, very different view of certain activities back then, especially with rock musicians.

Sardonicat · 15-02-2019 08:25PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

The Beatles in Hamburg? Hardly the same thing. George Harrison got deported for being underage to work on a Visa! They were only kids themselves.

Big difference between a bunch of teenage boys and girls and a 40 something Bill Wyman and 13 yo Mandy Smith.

Sure, but different times and what was tolerated. Wyman was 52!

There is absolutely nothing to compare between the two. And Wyman was considered shocking at the time . You're right he was in his 50s. He got away with by all concerned claicing nothing sexual was taking place and her mother was OK with the relationship. Ms.Smith later went on to say she was groomed.

Why are you comparing older teenagers having sex with each other to 52yo and a child?

15-02-2019 08:27PM

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

The girl in the picture is Lori Maddox, 15 years old at the time of this picture i believe. She claims she lost her virginity to David Bowie.

No - please, not Bowie. I'll trade you Leonard Cohen, Freddie Maercury, Prince - whatever. Don't tell me this about Bowie.

The perks of being a rock star don't exist anymore

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