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tony1980 · 22-01-2019 09:49PM

That’s great stuff! At my worst, I was 105kg. I’m now 70 and have been easily able to maintain that for awhile now. I’d like to put on a few kg of muscle though so I’m looking at the keto 5x5 training and will have to get the balance right with protein now.

RiderOnTheStorm · 22-01-2019 11:48PM

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Hi are you doing Folks? I've been on a low carb diet since last Wednesday and after doing some reading, I've gone Keto since Saturday......

Welcome to the keto way, Bunny! You won't regret it.

Bunny Colvin · 23-01-2019 10:21AM

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

Welcome to the keto way, Bunny! You won't regret it.

Thanks bud. Happy to embrace the Keto life, so far so good

Paranoid Mandroid · 23-01-2019 10:02PM

Hi Folks,
I'm also having great success on this diet. I ended 2018 with a 35hr fast and started straight into the keto diet having gorged on sugar, wine and whiskey with gusto.

I found the first two weeks very tough...not so much the eating and having to think a lot about what to eat etc. More so, the low blood sugar feeling hit me over a few days. If you've ever ran a marathon too fast and hit the wall, well its just like that. Lots of water and salt and a magnesium supplement.

I'm nearly a stone down (mostly water I know) and feel great now. I've noticed that I'm not finishing meals as I feel full and can go through the day on a very low calorie intake without feeling hangry. Plenty of fat to fuel me...two stone to go.

Anyway, this has probably all been said in this thread before but I wish you well. It's an incredible thing....I'm honestly amazed how different I feel in such a short time and how easy it is once you keep it simple. Great info in this thread, thanks.

24-01-2019 04:52PM

What is the best peanut butter to eat on keto?
I'm assuming the stuff in supermarkets are full of sugar?

RiderOnTheStorm · 24-01-2019 05:10PM

bubblypop wrote: »

What is the best peanut butter to eat on keto?
I'm assuming the stuff in supermarkets are full of sugar?

Not to be evasive, bubbly, but you will want to read the ingredients. This becomes 2nd nature after a while on keto. The manufacturer love to slip in some sugar and call it by another name just to fool you! And, just in case you don't know..... The list of ingredients is in volume order, withe the largest at the start.

And you will want to learn how to read the nutrition table on food too.

In the beginning, stick with what you know is definitely keto, and at same time, what stuff you like..... You wont go far wrong. You can get adventurous as you go along ...... Fat head pizza anyone? Yummm

silverharp · 27-01-2019 04:13PM

Meridian seem to be a good brand, i get their almond butter from time to time

https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/Product/Details/?id=284847836

Nollog · 30-01-2019 04:24PM

Do any of you have recommendations for electrolytes I should be taking?

I've been looking around and all the supliments I've seen have a very low RDA % of magnesium and I don't think I've seen one for potassium.

Also, is there another important mineral I should look at?

Mellor · 30-01-2019 11:49PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

Do any of you have recommendations for electrolytes I should be taking?

I've been looking around and all the supliments I've seen have a very low RDA % of magnesium and I don't think I've seen one for potassium.

Also, is there another important mineral I should look at?

A good magnesium supplement plus using LoSalt on your food is a good place to start.

silverharp · 31-01-2019 10:04AM

Ive started making a bone broth from ox tail or shin bone which has marrow in it , I add sea salt and some lo-salt which is potassium based, the main reason is that I do IF on and off so I thought it might be a good idea, do the same if going to the gym, I just throw a mixture of the 2 salts in a bottle and add water there. I’d imagine you absorb the nutrients better than pills which can be a mixed bag. Just try to eat plenty of nutrient dense foods

Nollog · 31-01-2019 02:43PM

I've done the same with ox tail myself but the rubbery feeling on my lips didn't do it for me.

I try not to use any salt at all because I've high blood pressure (almost at healthy normal since keto though), will try adding in some, thanks

silverharp · 31-01-2019 02:56PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

I've done the same with ox tail myself but the rubbery feeling on my lips didn't do it for me.

I try not to use any salt at all because I've high blood pressure (almost at healthy normal since keto though), will try adding in some, thanks

there seems to be a difference, the ox tail seems to make a thicker broth that gels up when its cold. The last batch I made was sliced shin bone with the marrow in the centre. It came out as a clear consomme type soup which doesn't thicken up when cold.

Bunny Colvin · 02-02-2019 12:50PM

Had my ketones measured last week and I was 1.1 after about a week going keto. I'm not sure what that means.
Had a mixed weekend last week regarding food and drink but I'm going grand again. Want to get to the gym a few times this week as well, as it's been neglected the last two weeks between the diet and being busy at work.

Also want to get some unsweetened almond milk. Good stats on the stuff!

amdublin · 02-02-2019 05:23PM

I'm on One Meal a Day (OMAD) with keto. Not feeling hungry at all.

In the past when I ate carbs I felt seriously faint with hunger in between meals.

Keto/low carb is amazing.

silverharp · 03-02-2019 10:26AM

made me laugh

https://twitter.com/DiscoStew66/status/1091721174654930944

Magnatu · 03-02-2019 12:53PM

Slimfast have brought out a keto range
Any thoughts on replacing entire diet with these for a few weeks.

Mellor · 03-02-2019 12:58PM

Magnatu wrote: »

Slimfast have brought out a keto range
Any thoughts on replacing entire diet with these for a few weeks.

My initial thought is that it's probably a terrible approach

RiderOnTheStorm · 03-02-2019 02:13PM

One of the great advantages of keto is that all the food recommend is normal. You dont need replacement meals, shakes, bars, smoothies etc.

There are a lot of people/ organisations that are coming to the keto party late and trying to make a buck. Be cautious! Stick to low carb / low sugar stuff and you dont need these 'supliments'.

PS the first item on the slimfast keto range contains palm oil, whey, xanthan gum, and dextrose. So thats a big NO from me.

PPS why would you eant something with so many added (artificial) extras when you could have bacon & eggs, or bacon & cabbage, or steak & mushroom, or fish, sardines, burger with egg on top, fat-head pizza..... The bonified keto range is huge! And lovely tasting!

Nollog · 03-02-2019 02:33PM

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

One of the great advantages of keto is that all the food recommend is normal. You dont need replacement meals, shakes, bars, smoothies etc.

There are a lot of people/ organisations that are coming to the keto party late and trying to make a buck. Be cautious! Stick to low carb / low sugar stuff and you dont need these 'supliments'.

PS the first item on the slimfast keto range contains palm oil, whey, xanthan gum, and dextrose. So thats a big NO from me.

PPS why would you eant something with so many added (artificial) extras when you could have bacon & eggs, or bacon & cabbage, or steak & mushroom, or fish, sardines, burger with egg on top, fat-head pizza..... The bonified keto range is huge! And lovely tasting!

I find keto lacks convenience food.

Magnatu · 03-02-2019 02:57PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

I find keto lacks convenience food.

So do I. Intention would be to do this for a few weeks to drop half a stone then switch back to a regular diet with carbs.
Agree ingredients are artificial and not healthy but would it be effective for rapid weight loss.

RiderOnTheStorm · 03-02-2019 10:27PM

Magnatu wrote: »

/\/ollog wrote: »

I find keto lacks convenience food.

So do I. Intention would be to do this for a few weeks to drop half a stone then switch back to a regular diet with carbs.
Agree ingredients are artificial and not healthy but would it be effective for rapid weight loss.

Yes. Keto is down on convenience. There is more prep involved at home. But its just a matter of getting into new habits.

If you go keto for a short while and then go back, you will put back on the weight you lost. Keto isnt a diet. Look at it as a way of life. Like vegetarianism. You wont get the advantages if you do it short term. The primary advantage of keto is that its healthy and good for the body (ie healing). Weight loss is a secondary advantage.

Give it a month. You will see & feel more improvements than weight loss.

Alf Veedersane · 03-02-2019 10:46PM

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

If you go keto for a short while and then go back, you will put back on the weight you lost.

If your calorie intake is higher than when on keto.

Mellor · 03-02-2019 10:54PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If your calorie intake is higher than when on keto.

Not just calories in this case.
You'll also replenish glycogen bad water. Not fat related, but people only care about the scale number

Alf Veedersane · 03-02-2019 11:01PM

Mellor wrote: »

Not just calories in this case.
You'll also replenish glycogen bad water. Not fat related, but people only care about the scale number

True. I guess I'm looking at it from the point of view of someone with a reasonable understanding.

That being said, and while I have zero issue with keto, I think framing it the way it was above creates a different perception of more thsn just water weight. That's all.

Bunny Colvin · 03-02-2019 11:11PM

I'm finding now that I'm never really hungry. I went to the gym at 3 today without eating (had a few black coffees) and did a good session. When I got in I had a small nutribullet and a big omellete at 5pm and I'm still nowhere near hungry. Probably won't eat tomorrow until 1pm.

It's amazing how much fats fill you up and the fact you don't crave anything else. That's probably the best thing about keto.

Mellor · 03-02-2019 11:21PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

True. I guess I'm looking at it from the point of view of someone with a reasonable understanding.

That being said, and while I have zero issue with keto, I think framing it the way it was above creates a different perception of more thsn just water weight. That's all.

I think it's important that people understand that calories are the main driving of weight.
But I think people also need to be aware of the replenish weight.

All of those crash/quick fix diets deplete glycogen. None of them mention it though, as they want to pretend that cayenne in your green tea melted 3kg of fat. But that lie is balanced by the fact that people believe they put on 3kg of fat once they return to a balanced diet.

Alf Veedersane · 03-02-2019 11:30PM

Mellor wrote: »

I think it's important that people understand that calories are the main driving of weight.
But I think people also need to be aware of the replenish weight.

All of those crash/quick fix diets deplete glycogen. None of them mention it though, as they want to pretend that cayenne in your green tea melted 3kg of fat. But that lie is balanced by the fact that people believe they put on 3kg of fat once they return to a balanced diet.

I'm all for people understanding the 'why', whether that be why they lost it or put it on. At a basic level.

I think it's important to flag these in a forum. Full disclosure and all that.

Like I said, no problem with keto or low carb. Whatever works. Just useful sometimes to give a little context.

Magnatu · 04-02-2019 09:43AM

Mellor wrote: »

All of those crash/quick fix diets deplete glycogen. None of them mention it though, as they want to pretend that cayenne in your green tea melted 3kg of fat. But that lie is balanced by the fact that people believe they put on 3kg of fat once they return to a balanced diet.

That is one of the great cons of keto. If you deolere glycogen as keto does you will also lose the water weight glycogen holds. Possibly 4-8 lbs.
This is not fat. If you go off keto to balanced diet. you will put back on the water weight almost immediately. As soon as your glycogen stores fill up again.
But people see. Keto =weight loss : Going off keto =weight gain.

Magnatu · 04-02-2019 09:47AM

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

I Keto isnt a diet. Look at it as a way of life. Like vegetarianism. You wont get the advantages if you do it short term. The primary advantage of keto is that its healthy and good for the body (ie healing). Weight loss is a secondary advantage.

Give it a month. You will see & feel more improvements than weight loss.

Really. I call BS. The reason people do keto is weight loss. This is not a secondary advantage.
And your claim that removing carbs from diet is healthy and good for the body is very dubious.

silverharp · 04-02-2019 10:37AM

Magnatu wrote: »

Really. I call BS. The reason people do keto is weight loss. This is not a secondary advantage.
And your claim that removing carbs from diet is healthy and good for the body is very dubious.

if someone was going down the road of pre diabetes or actually had Type2 its an excellent reverse course way of eating, its not just about weight loss

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