Beef Plan Movement (READ OP BEFORE POSTING)

wrangler · 02-02-2019 02:55PM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Or should I have said principles.

I have my principles too and if you don't like them I've more at home

BPMs principals probably have the same sort of principles

Buford T. Justice XIX · 03-02-2019 12:21PM

Apparently, the 86 point plan is being shelved for the time being and they are now focusing on contract killing their members stock in the next 6 months.
https://twitter.com/farmersjournal/status/1092034215473016832?s=19

gerryirl · 03-02-2019 02:10PM

wrangler wrote: »

I have my principles too and if you don't like them I've more at home

BPMs principals probably have the same sort of principles

lol ... agree or disagree with you, your posts are always entertaining

older by the day · 03-02-2019 04:00PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Apparently, the 86 point plan is being shelved for the time being and they are now focusing on contract killing their members stock in the next 6 months.
https://twitter.com/farmersjournal/status/1092034215473016832?s=19

It will be nice to look back on these posts in one year and see if it has made a difference, people are getting Fed up of talk

Cavanjack · 03-02-2019 04:25PM

older by the day wrote: »

It will be nice to look back on these posts in one year and see if it has made a difference, people are getting Fed up of talk

You can't knock them for trying and they have to be admired for bothering. All any of the other organizations have done lately is talk (although there hasn't been a word from the ifa over the past 6 months as the beef price has been in free fall). The monthly forums seem to have stopped for all the good they were. Iirc the ifa and the rest protested outside the last ones.
The beef group are only going a few months. It could take years

charolais0153 · 03-02-2019 04:28PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

You can't knock them for trying and they have to be admired for bothering. All any of the other organizations have done lately is talk (although there hasn't been a word from the ifa over the past 6 months as the beef price has been in free fall). The monthly forums seem to have stopped for all the good they were. Iirc the ifa and the rest protested outside the last ones.
The beef group are only going a few months. It could take years

Free fall? Its hardly armageddon. 3.75 is respectable given the circumstances

patsy_mccabe · 03-02-2019 04:33PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Free fall? Its hardly armageddon. 3.75 is respectable given the circumstances

Jeez, if you consider 3.75 respectable. :eek:

Bass Reeves · 03-02-2019 04:40PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Free fall? Its hardly armageddon. 3.75 is respectable given the circumstances

3.75 for winter finished cattle is armageddon with finishing ration costing 270+/ton. 3.4-3.5 for O grade bulls, 3.6 for R grade and 3.7 for U grade bulls. You can take that anyone feeding any bulls or cows are taking a serious hit. Lads feeding any bullocks that were bought in Mid/Late Autumn if they intend to replace with stock for summer grazing will take serious losses as well and feed costs will hit them as well.

Lads would have expected to be hitting 4/kg at a minimum now with U/R+ bulls at 4.1 at least. The better quality the bull the more you lose. Lads with U16 month bull are more than likely being flat priced as well and no QA. For example a U/R+ bull killing 450kgs DW is down 200/head. Fr bulls are going over age which will take another 10-20c/head off at least, they might even quote you stock bull price. A 350 kg Fr bull is back 175 euro. A 330 kg bullock is back over 100 euro and all of them costs are before you factor in another 50-100 euro extra in feeding costs

Robson99 · 03-02-2019 05:20PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

3.75 for winter finished cattle is armageddon with finishing ration costing 370+/ton. 3.4-3.5 for O grade bulls, 3.6 for R grade and 3.7 for U grade bulls. You can take that anyone feeding any bulls or cows are taking a serious hit. Lads feeding any bullocks that were bought in Mid/Late Autumn if they intend to replace with stock for summer grazing will take serious losses as well and feed costs will hit them as well.

Lads would have expected to be hitting 4/kg at a minimum now with U/R+ bulls at 4.1 at least. The better quality the bull the more you lose. Lads with U16 month bull are more than likely being flat priced as well and no QA. For example a U/R+ bull killing 450kgs DW is down 200/head. Fr bulls are going over age which will take another 10-20c/head off at least, they might even quote you stock bull price. A 350 kg Fr bull is back 175 euro. A 330 kg bullock is back over 100 euro and all of them costs are before you factor in another 50-100 euro extra in feeding costs

Weight cuts are now being implemented which really **** things up for anyone buying good connenital cattle. This really pisses me off with factories. No problem with weights when scarce but cut when plentiful. Moving goalposts All the time
Also haven't noticed the good conventional cattle back that much in the marts Bass

Bass Reeves · 03-02-2019 05:27PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Weight cuts are now being implemented which really **** things up for anyone buying good connenital cattle. This really pisses me off with factories. No problem with weights when scarce but cut when plentiful. Moving goalposts All the time
Also haven't noticed the good conventional cattle back that much in the marts Bass

I often wonder can some lads 2+2 or is it like going to a bookie shop and chancing the odds again. Mind from now on you are up against the grass men buying cattle last year was the first time in nearly five years they took a hit. Lots of lads buying a few cattle and letting them off to draw the ANC payment or cattle fro traditional grazing fields (LIPP). These boys skew the early spring prices a bit. Some lads as well have good ground conditions are are buying a few cattle to throw out on it

Who2 · 03-02-2019 05:46PM

I was at one of the meetings recently and thought it was a bit amateurish. One man stating his cousin could look after the fifth quarter but then stating the 120 km travel restrictions. They would be as well concentrate on tag levies and bvd issues and try and go for a soft win. While the push for good continental cattle is great and hopefully the rising tide will lift all ships scenario does work the reality is the vast majority of us will be handling a lot more dairy bred stock a lot sooner than most of us would like to admit, ailianating dairy cross to an extent seems a bad idea imo

Sheep breeder · 03-02-2019 06:31PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Weight cuts are now being implemented which really **** things up for anyone buying good connenital cattle. This really pisses me off with factories. No problem with weights when scarce but cut when plentiful. Moving goalposts All the time
Also haven't noticed the good conventional cattle back that much in the marts Bass

What marts are you attending

charolais0153 · 03-02-2019 06:40PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Jeez, if you consider 3.75 respectable. :eek:

20/30c below last year price with an extra 3k of a kill at 36k. Less than 10%of a drop. Armageddon

Cavanjack · 03-02-2019 07:29PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

20/30c below last year price with an extra 3k of a kill at 36k. Less than 10%of a drop. Armageddon

Bulls 40 to 45 cent below last year and costing 45 Euro more a head to finish with meal. That's leaving bulls killing at least 220 a head less than last year. It's not great now considering You'd be happy for them to leave a profit of 200 a head on a good year. And it could get worse before it gets better .
Have been to several local marts this year and to me prices for weaklings are as good as this time last year.

Cavanjack · 03-02-2019 07:32PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Weight cuts are now being implemented which really **** things up for anyone buying good connenital cattle. This really pisses me off with factories. No problem with weights when scarce but cut when plentiful. Moving goalposts All the time
Also haven't noticed the good conventional cattle back that much in the marts Bass

Yeah they more or less encouraged good bulls with the prices paid last spring. Agree also that cattle sent back much if at all in the marts

wrangler · 03-02-2019 09:04PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

You can't knock them for trying and they have to be admired for bothering. All any of the other organizations have done lately is talk (although there hasn't been a word from the ifa over the past 6 months as the beef price has been in free fall). The monthly forums seem to have stopped for all the good they were. Iirc the ifa and the rest protested outside the last ones.
The beef group are only going a few months. It could take years

List of beef press releases from IFA . WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE LAST YEAR
https://www.google.ie/search?q=IFA+BEEF+PRESS+RELEASES&ei=dlRXXMCLGPu31fAPmbGf2Ak&start=10&sa=N&ved=0ahUKEwjAnq7kuKDgAhX7WxUIHZnYB5s4FBDy0wMIcQ&biw=1600&bih=789
Could it be that the IFA have done their best, this crowd will either prove or disprove that last statement, no point in trying to achieve the impossible.
Brexit and CAP Reform is a lot more important
It's bad enough when some beef farmers are exalting a group on an ego trip.
Every iIFA national exec in dublin, the beef presentation used to sicken me, such was the time devoted to it, don't tell me that IFA is a dairy organisation.
What is the solution.......stop pussy footing and whingeing and withdraw product . OTHER WISE GO HOME

Cavanjack · 03-02-2019 09:19PM

wrangler wrote: »

List of beef press releases from IFA . WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE LAST YEAR
https://www.google.ie/search?q=IFA+BEEF+PRESS+RELEASES&ei=dlRXXMCLGPu31fAPmbGf2Ak&start=10&sa=N&ved=0ahUKEwjAnq7kuKDgAhX7WxUIHZnYB5s4FBDy0wMIcQ&biw=1600&bih=789
Could it be that the IFA have done their best, this crowd will either prove or disprove that last statement, no point in trying to achieve the impossible.
Brexit and CAP Reform is a lot more important
It's bad enough when some beef farmers are exalting a group on an ego trip.
Every iIFA national exec in dublin, the beef presentation used to sicken me, such was the time devoted to it, don't tell me that IFA is a dairy organisation.
What is the solution.......stop pussy footing and whingeing and withdraw product . OTHER WISE GO HOME

Most of them that appear in that search are from October 2018 and can't see anything more recent. One popping up from 2004 I think as well. I agree the ifa have been great for looking after the big payments that some farmers are getting.

wrangler · 03-02-2019 09:34PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Most of them that appear in that search are from October 2018 and can't see anything more recent. One popping up from 2004 I think as well. I agree the ifa have been great for looking after the big payments that some farmers are getting.

What do you suggest, a protest that beef farmers won't bother attending, dairy farmers are probably sick of standing in for them at this stage

Robson99 · 03-02-2019 10:04PM

Sheep breeder wrote: »

What marts are you attending

Good quality contenintal cattle 280 kg to 450kgs here in the west are no cheaper than last year

Robson99 · 03-02-2019 10:08PM

wrangler wrote: »

List of beef press releases from IFA . WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE LAST YEAR
https://www.google.ie/search?q=IFA+BEEF+PRESS+RELEASES&ei=dlRXXMCLGPu31fAPmbGf2Ak&start=10&sa=N&ved=0ahUKEwjAnq7kuKDgAhX7WxUIHZnYB5s4FBDy0wMIcQ&biw=1600&bih=789
Could it be that the IFA have done their best, this crowd will either prove or disprove that last statement, no point in trying to achieve the impossible.
Brexit and CAP Reform is a lot more important
It's bad enough when some beef farmers are exalting a group on an ego trip.
Every iIFA national exec in dublin, the beef presentation used to sicken me, such was the time devoted to it, don't tell me that IFA is a dairy organisation.
What is the solution.......stop pussy footing and whingeing and withdraw product . OTHER WISE GO HOME

The IFA huff and they puff but at the end of the day they wouldn't blow there bloody noses. All PR crap when it comes to suckler /beef farming

gerryirl · 03-02-2019 10:12PM

wrangler wrote: »

What do you suggest, a protest that beef farmers won't bother attending, dairy farmers are probably sick of standing in for them at this stage

Dont remember too many or any dairy men at any factory blockades I was ever at either for that matter

Cavanjack · 03-02-2019 10:13PM

wrangler wrote: »

What do you suggest, a protest that beef farmers won't bother attending, dairy farmers are probably sick of standing in for them at this stage[/quote/

. My point was that there hasn't been a word out of the ifa about the beef price decline since October as You pointed out. Are we not paying our membership for them to come up with the suggestions?

charolais0153 · 03-02-2019 10:22PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

wrangler wrote: »

What do you suggest, a protest that beef farmers won't bother attending, dairy farmers are probably sick of standing in for them at this stage[/quote/

. My point was that there hasn't been a word out of the ifa about the beef price decline since October as You pointed out. Are we not paying our membership for them to come up with the suggestions?

What is there to come up with though?

wrangler · 03-02-2019 10:30PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

wrangler wrote: »

What do you suggest, a protest that beef farmers won't bother attending, dairy farmers are probably sick of standing in for them at this stage[/quote/

. My point was that there hasn't been a word out of the ifa about the beef price decline since October as You pointed out. Are we not paying our membership for them to come up with the suggestions?

i'm saying it's hopeless, the beef plan is doing nothing, Icsa and Icmsa have no solutions either
I'm a long way above it now but I'd have nothing to do with it if I was there, such was the poor support the last time.
I decided to change system away from beef in 2006 and never regrettted it, time for others to do the same, I see Liam Delaney (the guy that's on the Mc donalds ad) is converting to dairy now., a top beef farming family, time for everyone to seriously consider what they want now.

gerryirl · 03-02-2019 10:51PM

wrangler wrote: »

Cavanjack wrote: »

i'm saying it's hopeless, the beef plan is doing nothing, Icsa and Icmsa have no solutions either
I'm a long way above it now but I'd have nothing to do with it if I was there, such was the poor support the last time.
I decided to change system away from beef in 2006 and never regrettted it, time for others to do the same, I see Liam Delaney (the guy that's on the Mc donalds ad) is converting to dairy now., a top beef farming family, time for everyone to seriously consider what they want now.

converting to dairy is not an option for many. Many West of Ireland suckler farms tend to be of average size with land parcels all over the place. The only option for them is out.
It will be interesting to see if the Dept start to do something about the donkey farmers. They are getting very popular. The people that are at it are right in my mind when they can get away with it.

Grueller · 03-02-2019 10:58PM

When Justin McCarthy is flagging suckler reduction payments in the editorial of the comic this week there must be some plan in the department to cut them loose.

CloughCasey1 · 03-02-2019 11:01PM

Grueller wrote: »

When Justin McCarthy is flagging suckler reduction payments in the editorial of the comic this week there must be some plan in the department to cut them loose.

Never smoke without fire sure.

wrangler · 03-02-2019 11:26PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Never smoke without fire sure.

Who's this guy, Séamas Ó Muilleaneoir,

When we blocked road construction here we got approached by every wannabe you could imagine, just saying like.
I'm not gullible, but I was approached to run for election as i led the charge

CloughCasey1 · 03-02-2019 11:54PM

wrangler wrote: »

Who's this guy, Séamas Ó Muilleaneoir,

When we blocked road construction here we got approached by every wannabe you could imagine, just saying like.
I'm not gullible, but I was approached to run for election as i led the charge

He is a finance guru.
I'm not suprised you were asked.
You have all the qualities of a politition.

wrangler · 04-02-2019 12:06AM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

He is a finance guru.
I'm not suprised you were asked.
You have all the qualities of a politition.

some amount of ''experts' now latching on on facebook BPM ,nothing done and fighting among themselves

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