Irish passport

Vdizzler · 30-01-2019 08:41PM #1

Hi folks,

I'm an Indian national applying for my Irish passport in October. I've lived in Ireland for 11 years, in continuous employment the entire time. 3 years ago, I married a Portuguese woman but the marriage didn't work out and we separated amicably after a year. We haven't really spoken in about two years and since then she has met someone with whom she now has a child. Would anyone know if any what the implications for my passport application might be?

Thanks in advance for any help.

R

Caranica · 30-01-2019 11:07PM

Vdizzler wrote: »

Hi folks,

I'm an Indian national applying for my Irish passport in October. I've lived in Ireland for 11 years, in continuous employment the entire time. 3 years ago, I married a Portuguese woman but the marriage didn't work out and we separated amicably after a year. We haven't really spoken in about two years and since then she has met someone with whom she now has a child. Would anyone know if any what the implications for my passport application might be?

Thanks in advance for any help.

R

If you've lived here legally all that time there's no problem. If you're here based on your marriage alone in recent years, then it's a big problem.

vicwatson · 30-01-2019 11:13PM

Don’t you need Irish citizenship first?

splinter65 · 31-01-2019 12:07AM

Vdizzler wrote: »

Hi folks,

I'm an Indian national applying for my Irish passport in October. I've lived in Ireland for 11 years, in continuous employment the entire time. 3 years ago, I married a Portuguese woman but the marriage didn't work out and we separated amicably after a year. We haven't really spoken in about two years and since then she has met someone with whom she now has a child. Would anyone know if any what the implications for my passport application might be?

Thanks in advance for any help.

R

I assume you mean your Irish citizenship application?

31-01-2019 12:40AM

Joe Duffy has been running with passport stories all week. Non Irish are being changed 1100 euro for a passport.

One lady today. Born in the UK. Christened in the UK and brought to an industrial school /orphanage in the west of Ireland at 6 weeks of age. Now in her 70s. Worked here all her life and on a state pension. She can't prove her mother is Irish so she is being charged 1100 instead of 80 for her passport. Someone on the other side of the planet who doesn't even know where Ireland is let alone been here can get the 80 passport if their granny is Irish.

Peregrinus · 31-01-2019 01:22AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Joe Duffy has been running with passport stories all week. Non Irish are being changed 1100 euro for a passport.

Non-Irish are being charged 1100 Euro for naturalisation as an Irish citizen, is what I think you are trying to say.

splinter65 · 31-01-2019 01:35AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Joe Duffy has been running with passport stories all week. Non Irish are being changed 1100 euro for a passport.

One lady today. Born in the UK. Christened in the UK and brought to an industrial school /orphanage in the west of Ireland at 6 weeks of age. Now in her 70s. Worked here all her life and on a state pension. She can't prove her mother is Irish so she is being charged 1100 instead of 80 for her passport. Someone on the other side of the planet who doesn't even know where Ireland is let alone been here can get the 80 passport if their granny is Irish.

She’s not being charged 1100 for a passport. There’s an 1125 processing fee when you apply for Irish citizenship.
When you are awarded Irish citizenship then you can apply for a Irish passport and that costs €85

splinter65 · 31-01-2019 01:37AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

Non-Irish are being charged 1100 Euro for naturalisation as an Irish citizen, is what I think you are trying to say.

It’s actually €1125, the processing fee for Irish citizenship.

Dakotabigone · 31-01-2019 01:38AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

Non-Irish are being charged 1100 Euro for naturalisation as an Irish citizen, is what I think you are trying to say.

Free if you are in receivership of social welfare.

splinter65 · 31-01-2019 01:38AM

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Free if you are in receivership of social welfare.

No it’s not free if your on SW.

Dakotabigone · 31-01-2019 01:40AM

splinter65 wrote: »

No it’s not free if your on SW.

Yes it is, how is someone expected to pay the money when they are not earning?

splinter65 · 31-01-2019 01:42AM

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Yes it is, how is someone expected to pay the money when they are not earning?

No it’s not free for people on SW. Have you got a link to that? No. That’s because it’s not free for people on SW.

splinter65 · 31-01-2019 01:45AM

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Yes it is, how is someone expected to pay the money when they are not earning?

Here:

Application fee
A fee of €175 applies for each application. There are no exceptions and fees cannot be waived.
We can only accept a bank draft as payment. The bank draft must be:
Drawn on an Irish bank
Made payable to Secretary General, Department of Justice and Equality
We cannot accept personal cheques, postal orders or cash. Fees cannot be refunded , even if your application is refused.
Certification fee
If your application is successful, you must pay a certification fee to receive your Certificate of Naturalisation:
€ 950 = Adult
€ 200 = Child
€ 200 = Widow/widower of an Irish citizen
€ 0 = Recognised refugee or stateless person
We can only accept bank drafts drawn on an Irish bank as payment.
Make the draft payable to Secretary General, Department of Justice and Equality.
Fees must be paid by all applicants (except as shown). There are no exceptions and fees cannot be waived or refunded.
Note: If you are outside the State for longer than 6 weeks after you submit your application, you must notify INIS by letter or email to explain why.
7. After you apply
In general, it takes 6 months for a straightforward application to be processed from the date it is received to the date a decision is made. (Processing times can vary depending on circumstances.)
Your passport will be returned to you when initial processing is complete, about 6 weeks after you submit your application.
If you think you will need your passport during the 6 weeks after you apply (eg for travel), postpone your application until you return and then apply.
You can withdraw your application at any time, but you will not get a fee refund.
Note: If you ask for your passport back before initial processing is complete (ie within 6 weeks after you apply), we will put your application on hold and send your passport to you. When ready, you must return your passport to us for initial processing to continue.
Processing
When we receive your application, we will check that you have:
Used the correct (most recent) version of the application form
Paid the application fee
Completed the statutory declarations on each form
Submitted all documents as listed in the form's Guidance Note
If any documents are missing, you may be given up to 28 days to provide them. If you fail to do so, your application may be deemed ineligible or refused.
We will also contact An Garda Síochána and the Garda National Immigration Bureau (GNIB)
We may contact other government departments or external agencies for information or reports about you, if necessary
We may send your passport for official authentication
We may also contact you to ask for more information or documents.
Submission
When processing is complete, we will prepare a submission on your application for decision by the Minister for Justice and Equality.
There is no guarantee your application will be successful even if you meet all conditions required by law. The Minister has absolute discretion for granting citizenship.
8. Decision & next steps
If your application is successful
We will send you a letter with the Minister's decision.
To become a citizen, you must then attend a Citizenship Ceremony and make a declaration of fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the State. You will be given your Certificate of Naturalisation at the ceremony.
To complete your application for citizenship and prepare for the ceremony, you must:
Send some final documentation to us (as listed in your approval letter), eg your Irish Residence Permit (IRP) or GNIB card, passport-sized photos for your Certificate of Naturalisation
Pay the certification fee (as above)
Citizenship ceremony
A day of Citizenship Ceremonies is held periodically through the year. You will receive an invitation to your Citizenship Ceremony about 4 to 5 weeks before it is scheduled to occur.
Successful applicants who are children (minors) do not attend a Citizenship Ceremony. They will receive their Certificate of Naturalisation by post.
Public notice
A notice will be published in the official journal Iris Óifigiúil stating that you have been granted a Certificate of Naturalisation. This notice will include your:
Name
Address
Date of your Certificate of Naturalisation
Whether you are an adult (aged 18 and over) or a minor
These notices are required to be published by law and are mandatory. There are no exemptions.
Passport
After you become an Irish citizen, you can apply for a passport via the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.
If your application is refused
We will advise you of the Minister's decision and the reasons your application was refused.
There is no appeal process and you will not get a refund of any fees.
You can re-apply for citizenship by naturalisation at any time. When doing so, you should pay careful attention to the reasons your previous application was refused.
Loss of citizenship
Citizenship by naturalisation can be revoked in some circumstances, eg if you concealed facts or made misrepresentations in your application.
You can also voluntarily renounce your citizenship.
Note: The information on this page is for guidance only. Read the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Acts for a complete description of citizenship by naturalisation.

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31-01-2019 02:09AM

splinter65 wrote:

No itâ€™s not free if your on SW.

I didn't hear anyone on social welfare as such but the 70 year old is on a Irish state pension and that social welfare. She is being charged 1100 so I don't think there are sw discounts.

TheRealPONeill · 31-01-2019 02:20AM

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Yes it is, how is someone expected to pay the money when they are not earning?

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31-01-2019 02:45AM

Dakotabigone wrote:

Yes it is, how is someone expected to pay the money when they are not earning?

What would they need a passport for if they have no money?

splinter65 · 31-01-2019 06:34AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I didn't hear anyone on social welfare as such but the 70 year old is on a Irish state pension and that social welfare. She is being charged 1100 so I don't think there are sw discounts.

The point is, passports are the same price for every adult that applies. The lady is not being charged 1100 for a 85 passport.

31-01-2019 08:29AM

splinter65 wrote: »

The point is, passports are the same price for every adult that applies. The lady is not being charged 1100 for a 85 passport.

The point of her story is she lived in an industrial school in Ireland since age 6 weeks, left & found employment in Ireland & lived here all her life. Because the industrial school didn't get her mothers birth cert ow as an OAP living on an irish state pension she doesn't qualify for a regular pasport. She even has two Irish born daughters.

31-01-2019 08:41AM

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Yes it is, how is someone expected to pay the money when they are not earning?

If they don't have the means to support themselves, they will not be granted citizenship. So not being able to come up with thousand euro is mute. In any event it is €175 to apply and the rest is due if successful.

splinter65 · 31-01-2019 10:48AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The point of her story is she lived in an industrial school in Ireland since age 6 weeks, left & found employment in Ireland & lived here all her life. Because the industrial school didn't get her mothers birth cert ow as an OAP living on an irish state pension she doesn't qualify for a regular pasport. She even has two Irish born daughters.

But she’s not an Irish citizen. Only Irish citizens can get Irish passports. It’s a sad story but if we grant citizenship on the grounds of sad stories then we might as well just hand them out in the post office.
I’m sure she’s entitled to a British passport. What’s the pressing urgent need for an Irish one?

Vdizzler · 31-01-2019 01:49PM

Thanks very much to everyone for taking the time to post, I got a lot of useful information. That poor ol' lady, Peig has nothing on her. ( See I even know who Peig is?? That's gotta be automatic citizenship right there? )

petronius · 31-01-2019 02:14PM

This seems crazy - that a lady who has spent most of her life in Ireland is charged such money. It is obvious she is as entitled to Irish Citizenship and Passport as anyone.
I family friend has a similar story, born in Scotland (as were his parents), but spent his youth in Donegal, lived in England for most his life wants to retire to the west of Ireland (he goes fishing each summer in Ireland), and thinks post-brexit it is better he get an Irish passport, but needs to find his grannys paper work.

It just seems odd, that some Russian idiot can get an Irish passport and go off and join ISIS, yet people with obvious entitlements to Irish passports have to jump though hoops and pay, to get it

ohnonotgmail · 31-01-2019 02:54PM

petronius wrote: »

This seems crazy - that a lady who has spent most of her life in Ireland is charged such money. It is obvious she is as entitled to Irish Citizenship and Passport as anyone.
I family friend has a similar story, born in Scotland (as were his parents), but spent his youth in Donegal, lived in England for most his life wants to retire to the west of Ireland (he goes fishing each summer in Ireland), and thinks post-brexit it is better he get an Irish passport, but needs to find his grannys paper work.

It just seems odd, that some Russian idiot can get an Irish passport and go off and join ISIS, yet people with obvious entitlements to Irish passports have to jump though hoops and pay, to get it

that russian idiot you refer to (who wasnt russian) had to go through the same hoops as the woman in question. Both are applying through naturalisation. "Obvious" doesn't enter into citizenship applications.

ohnonotgmail · 31-01-2019 02:56PM

Vdizzler wrote: »

Thanks very much to everyone for taking the time to post, I got a lot of useful information. That poor ol' lady, Peig has nothing on her. ( See I even know who Peig is?? That's gotta be automatic citizenship right there? )

Knowing who she is is one thing. Being forced to read that thing is a whole different level of suffering.

splinter65 · 31-01-2019 05:12PM

petronius wrote: »

This seems crazy - that a lady who has spent most of her life in Ireland is charged such money. It is obvious she is as entitled to Irish Citizenship and Passport as anyone.
I family friend has a similar story, born in Scotland (as were his parents), but spent his youth in Donegal, lived in England for most his life wants to retire to the west of Ireland (he goes fishing each summer in Ireland), and thinks post-brexit it is better he get an Irish passport, but needs to find his grannys paper work.

It just seems odd, that some Russian idiot can get an Irish passport and go off and join ISIS, yet people with obvious entitlements to Irish passports have to jump though hoops and pay, to get it

The Russian idiot paid for his citizenship too. There’s a total disconnect here. Processing your adult Irish citizenship application will cost you 1125, unless you have been awarded refugee status. That figure applies to every adult, no exemptions.
If you friend knows where and when his granny was born in Ireland then he can get her birth cert for €20 in any large health center and bypass the citizenship application to get a passport.

Spook_ie · 31-01-2019 10:29PM

You would think they might have introduced some sliding scale of refund, say €25 per legal year of being in Ireland, in the case of the pensioner she would get citizenship for an admin fee, some one who had lived and worked in Ireland for 30 years would get a refund of €750 etc.

skooterblue2 · 31-01-2019 10:34PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

What would they need a passport for if they have no money?

If you dont have a driving lisence you need photo ID for banking and other things. Try getting around without Photo ID. Its damn near impossible.

splinter65 · 31-01-2019 10:36PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

You would think they might have introduced some sliding scale of refund, say €25 per legal year of being in Ireland, in the case of the pensioner she would get citizenship for an admin fee, some one who had lived and worked in Ireland for 30 years would get a refund of €750 etc.

How would that work? It doesn’t matter wether your 5 years or 50 years living here. The same amount of work has to go into processing the application. You’re not “buying” citizenship. The 1125 is a processing fee.
People are gas. They (quite rightly) consider Irish citizenship to be an absolute privilege, only awarded to people deserving of the honour, and only after their application has been rigorously tested, but then they don’t think it’s appropriate that there should be a financial cost to the applicant.

Spook_ie · 01-02-2019 12:49AM

splinter65 wrote: »

How would that work? It doesn’t matter wether your 5 years or 50 years living here. The same amount of work has to go into processing the application. You’re not “buying” citizenship. The 1125 is a processing fee.
People are gas. They (quite rightly) consider Irish citizenship to be an absolute privilege, only awarded to people deserving of the honour, and only after their application has been rigorously tested, but then they don’t think it’s appropriate that there should be a financial cost to the applicant.

Do you not think that someone who's been contributing to Irish Welfare and society for 30-40 years deserves a discount as effectively being a good customer?
Edit...
And if that was the case then why allow refugees and successful asylum seekers off with just the application fee?
End Edit....

Anyways how does Ireland's costs stack up against other countries? Anyone any links?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 01-02-2019 01:11AM

petronius wrote: »

This seems crazy - that a lady who has spent most of her life in Ireland is charged such money. It is obvious she is as entitled to Irish Citizenship and Passport as anyone.
I family friend has a similar story, born in Scotland (as were his parents), but spent his youth in Donegal, lived in England for most his life wants to retire to the west of Ireland (he goes fishing each summer in Ireland), and thinks post-brexit it is better he get an Irish passport, but needs to find his grannys paper work.

It just seems odd, that some Russian idiot can get an Irish passport and go off and join ISIS, yet people with obvious entitlements to Irish passports have to jump though hoops and pay, to get it

It’s not obvious she had that right. Being here at 6 weeks didn’t get her an Irish birth certificate and she couldn’t prove her parents were Irish, as reported here. Laws are always general not specific. What law would you change there to make it easier for her and not the rest of the world.

Remember it’s pretty rare to be in her situation as she clearly hasn’t applied for a passport before, which would have been easier when she was younger, when her mother was alive.

Peregrinus · 01-02-2019 01:27AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Anyways how does Ireland's costs stack up against other countries? Anyone any links?

They're cheaper than the comparable costs in the UK (GBP 1,206). They are more
expensive than Australia (AUD 285) and the US (USD 640), but in those countries the process is normally a two-stage one - you have to become a permanent resident first, and that involves a whole separate (and usually larger) set of fees; in nearly all cases the total cost will be higher than the Irish cost.

The fees in Ireland are set to cover the costs of running the office that processes the applications. There is some degree of cross-subsidy - the successful applicants pay much higher fees than the unsuccessful applicants, although obviously the actual cost of investigating and adjudicating an application doesn't normally depend very much on the outcome (unless the application is hopeless, and is rejected at a very early stage).

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