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Penfailed · 29-01-2019 10:55PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

so a Backstop means a Hard Border & no Backstop means not such a Hard Border.

i agree there will be a border either way. i've said that from Day 1.

No. Again, as I said in my previous post, you are mistaken. A backstop means there will be no hard border.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 29-01-2019 10:57PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What you are forgetting is that they are not out yet, and they are not showing much sign of ever having the courage to leave without a deal.

They are hoo raaing in Parliament but out here in the real world they are royally snookered.

dont forget Frankie we will all be losers in this.
the Brits were "snookered" time & time again down through history, or so their enemies thought...

McMurphy · 29-01-2019 10:59PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

so a Backstop means a Hard Border & no Backstop means not such a Hard Border.

i agree there will be a border either way. i've said that from Day 1.

A back stop means there'll be a backstop instead of a border.

No backstop means a border will have to be in place instead.

How can this be confusing?

Perifect · 29-01-2019 10:59PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

dont forget Frankie we will all be losers in this.
the Brits were "snookered" time & time again down through history, or so their enemies thought...

He's not a west brit, he's a brit!

Take what he says with a pinch of salt.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2019 11:01PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

dont forget Frankie we will all be losers in this.
the Brits were "snookered" time & time again down through history, or so their enemies thought...

The Americans and Russians got them out of the last pickle, can't see them riding to the rescue this time, funnily enough.
They are gonna have to eat grass on this and my bet is on a huffy climb down complaining abut the wicked EU and nasty Ireland. Revoke the whole shambles or May's deal with the backstop fully intact.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 29-01-2019 11:05PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

A back stop means there'll be a backstop instead of a border.

No backstop means a border will have to be in place instead.

How can this be confusing?

crikey i thought you guys were keeping up.
the WA with Backstop was defeated, rejected, thrown out! it's a non-runner.
you may (no pun intended) need to read this,
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-deal-rejected-by-432-votes-to-202-2/

Wheres Me Jumper? · 29-01-2019 11:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Americans and Russians got them out of the last pickle, can't see them riding to the rescue this time, funnily enough.
They are gonna have to eat grass on this and my bet is on a huffy climb down complaining abut the wicked EU and nasty Ireland. Revoke the whole shambles or May's deal with the backstop fully intact.

the prospects of that may be giving you a warm gooey feeling, but i wouldn't be putting me hard-earned euros, or in your case pounds on it.

thomasj · 29-01-2019 11:10PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

crikey i thought you guys were keeping up.
the WA with Backstop was defeated, rejected, thrown out! it's a non-runner.
you may (no pun intended) need to read this,
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-deal-rejected-by-432-votes-to-202-2/

No it was passed.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 29-01-2019 11:14PM

thomasj wrote: »

No it was passed.

now i know how poor Treesa feels.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2019 11:19PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

crikey i thought you guys were keeping up.
the WA with Backstop was defeated, rejected, thrown out! it's a non-runner.
you may (no pun intended) need to read this,
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-deal-rejected-by-432-votes-to-202-2/

The WA agreement with backstop was agreed with the EU. That is were we are at. What parliament faffs about doing is nothing to do with us (the EU)
If they haven't ratified it in UK Parliament by March 29th, it's toodle peep without a deal.

Do keep up.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 29-01-2019 11:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The WA agreement with backstop was agreed with the EU. That is were we are at. What parliament faffs about doing is nothing to do with us (the EU)
If they haven't ratified it in UK Parliament by March 29th, it's toodle peep without a deal.

Do keep up.

and when they crash out, or gain their freedom depending on your viewpoint, then there will be a HARD BORDER. (even Leo & Tusk said so)

now Frankie do please try to keep up!

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2019 11:28PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

and when they crash out, or gain their freedom depending on your viewpoint, then there will be a HARD BORDER. (even Leo & Tusk said so)

now Frankie do please try to keep up!

They won't crash out...Francie keeps telling you they haven't the courage, they'd be gone long ago, if they had.
What Parliament are faffing about now is saving the Tories...who cares? They are your heroes not mine.

If we need to protect the Single Market with a border then I have no problem pulling on the jersey for the little time it will take for the UK to come back for a deal they will have to make. And after a crash out they will be pathetic minnows at any negotiating table. If there is still a UK that is.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 29-01-2019 11:47PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They won't crash out...Francie keeps telling you they haven't the courage, they'd be gone long ago, if they had.
What Parliament are faffing about now is saving the Tories...who cares? They are your heroes not mine.

If we need to protect the Single Market with a border then I have no problem pulling on the jersey for the little time it will take for the UK to come back for a deal they will have to make. And after a crash out they will be pathetic minnows at any negotiating table. If there is still a UK that is.

you may be right, but i happen to disagree.
poor Treesa will be greeted with incredulity when she arrives in Brussels. i agree she will get nuthin. she'll return to old blighty, tail between her legs.

the ERG will be emboldened, the British public will demand out. deal or no deal. most of them actually hate the EU already. this hatred will grow stronger. they will say "told ya! those EU dictators! we liberated them from the Nazis!"
and so it will happen.

FREEEEEEDOM!

(or Bang-Wallop depending on your stance).

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2019 11:51PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

you may be right, but i happen to disagree.
poor Treesa will be greeted with incredulity when she arrives in Brussels. i agree she will get nuthin. she'll return to old blighty, tail between her legs.

the ERG will be emboldened, the British public will demand out. deal or no deal. most of them actually hate the EU already. this hatred will grow stronger. they will say "told ya! those EU dictators! we liberated them from the Nazis!"
and so it will happen.

FREEEEEEDOM!

(or Bang-Wallop depending on your stance).

You say this despite anecdotal polling that shows the vast majority in Parliament are against a No Deal and tonight actually voted that way. And that most people in the UK neither want a No Deal exit.

You have caught the DUP Delusion Bug methinks. Carry on till your carried off.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 30-01-2019 12:00AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You say this despite anecdotal polling that shows the vast majority in Parliament are against a No Deal and tonight actually voted that way. And that most people in the UK neither want a No Deal exit.

You have caught the DUP Delusion Bug methinks. Carry on till your carried off.

anecdotal polling? you and your buddies down the pub?
we know just how reliable polls have proven in these matters.

see you have been swallowing the EU mantra for so long and desperately trying to be the best boy in class, you actually believe they give a flying turd about this island, let alone a few thousand farmers on the border.

FrancieBrady · 30-01-2019 12:07AM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

anecdotal polling? you and your buddies down the pub?
we know just how reliable polls have proven in these matters.

see you have been swallowing the EU mantra for so long and desperately trying to be the best boy in class, you actually believe they give a flying turd about this island, let alone a few thousand farmers on the border.

If you were reading and digesting anything above the Daily Mail you would know that the vast majority are against a No Deal in Parliament. Quite obvious you haven't been.
It was proved tonight in one of the earlier amendments. Maybe the awful EU rigged that vote???

And no, it has nothing to do with whether Germany cares or France cares about us...WE are the EU. And there is nothing to be gained by stabbing a member in the back for the other 27.

But you in your delusion have seen the knife of course. :rolleyes:

Wheres Me Jumper? · 30-01-2019 12:19AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you were reading and digesting anything above the Daily Mail you would know that the vast majority are against a No Deal in Parliament. Quite obvious you haven't been.
It was proved tonight in one of the earlier amendments. Maybe the awful EU rigged that vote???

And no, it has nothing to do with whether Germany cares or France cares about us...WE are the EU. And there is nothing to be gained by stabbing a member in the back for the other 27.

But you in your delusion have seen the knife of course. :rolleyes:

poor Frankie. twisted & delusional.
those who sought a 2nd referendum have been defeated, as have those who want to delay Brexit.
the clock is ticking and no amount of bluster will change that. the WA has about as much chance of being passed by the HoC as a snowman in hell.
by design or by accident, they will be out on March 29th

tick tock

FrancieBrady · 30-01-2019 12:23AM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

poor Frankie. twisted & delusional.
those who sought a 2nd referendum have been defeated, as have those who want to delay Brexit.
the clock is ticking and no amount of bluster will change that. the WA has about as much chance of being passed by the HoC as a snowman in hell.
by design or by accident, they will be out on March 29th

tick tock

I agree it probably won't be passed, Theresa hasn't the political gumption or strength to do that. That leaves you with 'revoke Art 50' and a 'No Deal that the vast majority don't want'.

Hmmm. what are a parliament that has only shown fear of leaving without a deal gonna do......

Wheres Me Jumper? · 30-01-2019 12:35AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I agree it probably won't be passed,

are u having a laugh? it was defeated by the greatest majority in parliamentary history.
432 to 202! that's a 230 majority frankie. LOL

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Theresa hasn't the political gumption or strength to do that. That leaves you with 'revoke Art 50' and a 'No Deal that the vast majority don't want'.

vast majority? the Spelman amendment was passed by a measly 8 votes.

and just in case you forgotten how the EU rode to our rescue last time we were in a tight spot,

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/noonan-told-bomb-would-go-off-if-bondholders-burned-1.2347438

Good nite frankie. it'll all be easier in the morning.

FrancieBrady · 30-01-2019 12:47AM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

are u having a laugh? it was defeated by the greatest majority in parliamentary history.
432 to 202! that's a 230 majority frankie. LOL

vast majority? the Spelman amendment was passed by a measly 8 votes.

Read some decent analysis will you and get back to us then? It is clear to all analysts that parliament will not back a No Deal. Fact.
May's deal will be back in the house, mark Francie's word.

and just in case you forgotten how the EU rode to our rescue last time we were in a tight spot,

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/noonan-told-bomb-would-go-off-if-bondholders-burned-1.2347438

I said in the case of Brexit, WE are the EU. With regard to what happens re; The Backstop, we are calling the shots here and if you can show us fact based evidence that the EU as a whole are blinking on that, knock yourself out.

Otherwise, entertain us with more Arlene/Sammy style delusions.

maccored · 30-01-2019 11:08AM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

so a Backstop means a Hard Border & no Backstop means not such a Hard Border.

i agree there will be a border either way. i've said that from Day 1.

a backstop means there wont be a border until final agreements.

Spit it out - what is your point? that there'll be a hard border? Things will go to **** if there is - but thats not news. we all know theres a chance of a hard border.

The british government agreed to the backstop and now the tories are having their own little internal row and are (as usual) demanding something else now the DUP are behind them. They havent defined the 'something else' and they havent defined how they are going to avoid a hard border.

Maybe you have those answers? because otherwise I dont see the point of your inane posts.

30-01-2019 11:29AM

maccored wrote: »

The british government agreed to the backstop and now the tories are having their own little internal row and are (as usual) demanding something else now the DUP are behind them. They havent defined the 'something else' and they havent defined how they are going to avoid a hard border.

I'm pretty sire Labour, the SNP, Liberals and Plaid Cymru voted against the deal as well, or don't they count?

maccored · 30-01-2019 01:03PM

Aegir wrote: »

I'm pretty sire Labour, the SNP, Liberals and Plaid Cymru voted against the deal as well, or don't they count?

are they in government? I think you'll find its the tories who are - not 'Labour, the SNP, Liberals and Plaid Cymru'

Wheres Me Jumper? · 30-01-2019 02:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Read some decent analysis will you and get back to us then?

alas there isn't much demand for the "Hillfarmers & SheepShaggers Gazette" in these parts.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is clear to all analysts that parliament will not back a No Deal. Fact.

hate to point this out frankie, but the Spelman amendment, which was passed by a just 8 votes (and not the VAST majority you wrongly claim) is only ADVISORY and has NO legislative force. FACT

i take no pleasure in pointing out that you and your ilk have been on the WRONG side of every twist & turn of this whole issue.

you and your lot predicted there would never be a vote on Brexit. there was. you were WRONG!
you lot said the British electorate will never vote to leave. "the polls, the polls!" you said. 17.4m people voted to leave and proved you WRONG!
you said the Brits wont trigger Article 50. they did. again you were WRONG!
the WA is the only deal in town. the Brits have no choice but to accept it you laughed. The HoC voted to reject said WA by an historic majority of 230! proving you once again got it WRONG!
but we must have a 2nd vote. a people's vote. (aka a loser's vote). i & others told you it wont happen. it has been roundly rejected by parties on all sides of the HoC. once again you were WRONG!
there will never be a border on this island. the EU wont allow it you cried. Both Leo & Tusk have admitted that in the event of no deal, there will be. WRONG!
the Backstop! the Backstop! that will prevent a hard border you claim. it is now patently clear that the backstop is going to help create a Hard border. again you and your lot are, you guessed it! WRONG!

i sense a pattern here Frankie. but don't worry, there nothing to be ashamed of, (a tad embarassed perhaps). we all get it WRONG sometimes. but just be honest with us & yourself, and admit you haven't got a clue. afterall you've been on the WRONG side of history so many times, it must be getting a bit irksome by now.

FrancieBrady · 30-01-2019 02:22PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

alas there isn't much demand for the "Hillfarmers & SheepShaggers Gazette" in these parts.

Keep the head in the sand, that's when you are most easily shafted from behind.

hate to point this out frankie, but the Spelman amendment, which was passed by a just 8 votes (and not the VAST majority you wrongly claim) is only ADVISORY and has NO legislative force. FACT

Yes, but they also massively defeated May's deal last time out and massively declined to take the backstop out in a separate vote.
Last night they accepted May's deal if it hadn't a backstop and ruled out no deal.

Parliament is essentially paralysed and utterly confused. But their fear of leaving without a deal is the consistent voice.

i take no pleasure in pointing out that you and your ilk have been on the WRONG side of every twist & turn of this whole issue.

you and your lot predicted there would never be a vote on Brexit. there was. you were WRONG!

You will not find a comment frm me about Brexit before the referendum.

you lot said the British electorate will never vote to leave. "the polls, the polls!" you said. 17.4m people voted to leave and proved you WRONG!

True, although I didn't post before the referenedum, you are correct, I did not think there were that many ignorant and stupid people in the UK. everyday is a school day etc etc.

you said the Brits wont trigger Article 50. they did. again you were WRONG!

I didn't say anything of the kind. Again, my faith in the UK doing the sensible thing has been shattered long ago.

the WA is the only deal in town. the Brits have no choice but to accept it you laughed. The HoC voted to reject said WA by an historic majority of 230! proving you once again got it WRONG!

It IS the only deal in town, right up to this minute..1.17pm 30/1/2019

but we must have a 2nd vote. a people's vote. (aka a loser's vote). i & others told you it wont happen. it has been roundly rejected by parties on all sides of the HoC. once again you were WRONG!

Non-plussed on a 2nd ref here, as it solves nothing.

there will never be a border on this island. the EU wont allow it you cried. Both Leo & Tusk have admitted that in the event of no deal, there will be. WRONG!

My consistent position is that there was always going to be a border if the idiots managed to crash out without a deal. They won't, too scared. There will be no border.

the Backstop! the Backstop! that will prevent a hard border you claim. it is now patently clear that the backstop is going to help create a Hard border. again you and your lot are, you guessed it! WRONG!

The 'lack' of a backstop will create a border. But even if they do manage to accidentally leave, they still have to sort out an acceptable arrangement on trade and that will be contingent on an acceptable solution to the border. It isn't going away.

i sense a pattern here Frankie. but don't worry, there nothing to be ashamed of, (a tad embarassed perhaps). we all get it WRONG sometimes. but just be honest with us & yourself, and admit you haven't got a clue. afterall you've been on the WRONG side of history so many times, it must be getting a bit irksome by now.

You certainly lived up to the request for Sammy Wilsonisms

30-01-2019 04:45PM

maccored wrote: »

are they in government? I think you'll find its the tories who are - not 'Labour, the SNP, Liberals and Plaid Cymru'

no, they aren't, but they are in Parliament. The government put its plans forward and Parliament rejected them. If the Government had it's way, the backstop would be fully agreed.

maccored · 30-01-2019 05:26PM

Aegir wrote: »

no, they aren't, but they are in Parliament. The government put its plans forward and Parliament rejected them. If the Government had it's way, the backstop would be fully agreed.

the government agreed the backstop with the EU. what they argue about in their own parliment is their own problem. shouldnt be ours.

FrancieBrady · 30-01-2019 05:38PM

maccored wrote: »

the government agreed the backstop with the EU.

ssssushhhh mac! Unionists are desperately trying to delude themselves that sellout didn't happen twice. What do you want them to do...look after their own interests or sumfink??

30-01-2019 07:04PM

maccored wrote: »

the government agreed the backstop with the EU. what they argue about in their own parliment is their own problem. shouldnt be ours.

maybe not, but you should at least get your facts right

zapitastas · 30-01-2019 08:00PM

At this stage, let them leave with no deal. They will be back scrounging for some sort of a deal pretty quickly. Any hint of a border can be addressed then.

Added to that the Irish American lobby is starting to take a keen interest in the border situation. Should become an issue when looking for a trade deal on that side of the Atlantic as well

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