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Ireland has highest proportion of 25-54 year olds with 3rd level education in Europe

  • 28-01-2019 03:23PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    The University Observer reports we're doing OK in terms of education. I work in the UK and the states and I am always proud of the Irish education system. We don't have the same two-tier system that's present in the UK or USA at secondary level and no matter what your background you can attend third level. Also for such a small country we're over represented abroad in STEM fields. Is this evidence that we're doing the right thing in regards education?

    Half of Irish people between the ages of 25 – 54 years old have successfully completed tertiary education, making Ireland the country with the highest proportion of third level-educated in the European Union and the European Economic Area (EEA).

    Eurostat, the statistical arm of the European Commission published an article containing the information on 24th January to mark the International Day of Education, which acknowledges education’s contribution to peace and development.

    The figures from the European Statistical Office, relating to the year 2017, show that Cyprus and Finland follow Ireland with the second and third highest proportion in the same demographic at 47 per cent and 46 per cent respectively. Larger EU countries such as France, Poland and Germany have smaller proportions of people who have completed tertiary education, falling in at 39 per cent, 35 per cent and 29 per cent respectively.


    For 55 – 74 year olds in Ireland, however, the proportion of those who have attained third level education drops to 26 per cent, still above the EU average of 21 per cent.

    Romania has the lowest proportion of its population in the 25 – 54 year old demographic to have completed tertiary education and is joint last with Malta for those in the 55 – 74 demographic.

    Among the EU population aged 20 – 24, women tend to have a slightly higher level of educational attainment than men, with an EU average of 85.9 per cent for women and 80.9 per cent for men. This holds true for Ireland, where 95.5 per cent of women in this group are third level-educated, compared to 92.9 per cent of men. Countries such as Slovakia and Romania are the exception, where 90 per cent and 80 per cent of men have attained tertiary education, compared to 87.6 per cent and 79.5 per cent for women.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,032 ✭✭✭Feisar


    So a trade is useless? Also the quality of the degree does not get factored in.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Quantity over quality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Tuco88


    Id say most of em are not worth the paper they are printed on sadly.

    Supply and demand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,964 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Your Face wrote: »
    Quantity over quality.

    I seem to recall reports in recent times questioning the difficulty level of recent exams and courses alright. By all accounts even the Leaving is easier than it used to be.

    There's also something to be said about everyone having degrees and masters not only driving down wages through oversupply, but also cutting out those who don't have one, even though their ability and experience may be much stronger.

    As someone who manages an IT department and occasionally hires, I'm far more interested in someone's experience and attitude than just what paperwork they have. Cop on, ambition and someone who "gets" the needs of the role is far more important to me.


  • Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I work in the UK and the states and I am always proud of the Irish education system. We don't have the same two-tier system that's present in the UK or USA at secondary level

    One of the most extraordinary achievements of fee-paying schools in Ireland is convincing people they don't exist.

    What's the evidence that we don't have a two-tier education system?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Nothing wrong with having a highly educated population. Lifts us all out of the darkness.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Don't the exams and the amount of work put in have to meet certain minimum standards? that's why we have level 7, 8 etc qualifications.

    I will say the advent of the internet has made college easier. Before it was hours in the library looking up journals and articles. Now you get it all on jstore. Even maths is a bit easier because there's so many youtube tutorials available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Feisar wrote: »
    So a trade is useless? Also the quality of the degree does not get factored in.


    More money in a trade than any degree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,964 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Nothing wrong with having a highly educated population. Lifts us all out of the darkness.

    Agreed as a general point, but not everyone is suited to higher education and not everyone with higher education is a good fit for a given role.

    We shouldn't abandon the first group, and try to ensure that the qualifications of the second group are matched with the right attitude and cop on too.

    I know people who did the Microsoft exams years ago purely by studying the questions. They'd freely admit they don't actually know much about what they studied, but they have the piece of paper. Contrast that to a guy/girl who's spent 6/7 years working hands-on with the technology but doesn't have the exam.. which is the better hire?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    That's just blôody marvelous,send them all off to college.
    Shir who would want a trade earning great money!?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭orourkeda1977


    I'm studying for my third degree.

    I'm unemployed.

    Go college education.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    Not every one is suited for college/needs to go to college. Way to many people going for the sake of going and earning a useless degree.


  • Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tuco88 wrote: »
    Id say most of em are not worth the paper they are printed on sadly.

    Supply and demand.
    godtabh wrote: »
    Not every one is suited for college/needs to go to college. Way to many people going for the sake of going and earning a useless degree.

    Indeed .............loads of folk in CO roles etc with p1ss poor degrees in various w@nkology.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    kneemos wrote: »
    More money in a trade than any degree.

    Hyperbole much?


  • Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's just blôody marvelous,send them all off to college.
    Shir who would want a trade earning great money!?

    It's not all black and white with trades and great money either.
    I know plenty fitters in their 40s who are encouraging their kids to do anything but a mech fitter trade as they are feeling the effects of 2 or 3 decades hard graft on their joints etc and even when things are good the money isn't all that great for the flat 40 hours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    I'm studying for my third degree.

    I'm unemployed.

    Out of curiosity, what were they?
    Are the prospects that bad, did you know they'd be bad?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    Well this thread is an absolute ray of sunshine. Our highly educated work force is a major reason why multinationals locate here. I work in the tech field and in general the level of graduate coming out of all Irish universities is pretty good. Of course they are a bit green coming in on the first day, but I find in general they learn quickly and contribute well to the work.

    I wish people would stop being so ridiculously negative about all things third level related. We can't all do third level, but equally we can't all do trades either. You'd swear the way this place goes on sometimes that college education is somehow a bad thing.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Agreed as a general point, but not everyone is suited to higher education and not everyone with higher education is a good fit for a given role.

    We shouldn't abandon the first group, and try to ensure that the qualifications of the second group are matched with the right attitude and cop on too.

    I know people who did the Microsoft exams years ago purely by studying the questions. They'd freely admit they don't actually know much about what they studied, but they have the piece of paper. Contrast that to a guy/girl who's spent 6/7 years working hands-on with the technology but doesn't have the exam.. which is the better hire?

    I could be wrong but usually a Microsoft certification isn't enough to get a job. Usually you'd need to have at least a degree as well, so memorizing a load of answers for a Microsoft certificate on it's own won't get you a job. Plus, those certs expire after 2 years and you have to do them again to retain it.

    I actually think IT (especially development) is easier to get into without a degree than most industries. If you're decent and work on some projects in your spare time it shows that you can code and you have a portfolio you can show to potential employers. It might be difficult getting past recruiters or HR though so not having a degree will limit your options.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    We can't all do third level
    Everyone is doing third-level though. You pay your money and you get your piece of paper, as a rite of passage. Good for unis, not great for companies who, instead of getting someone with four years' experience, get someone with a degree of indeterminable merit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Well this thread is an absolute ray of sunshine. Our highly educated work force is a major reason why multinationals locate here. I work in the tech field and in general the level of graduate coming out of all Irish universities is pretty good. Of course they are a bit green coming in on the first day, but I find in general they learn quickly and contribute well to the work.

    I wish people would stop being so ridiculously negative about all things third level related. We can't all do third level, but equally we can't all do trades either. You'd swear the way this place goes on sometimes that college education is somehow a bad thing.


    There's been too much emphasis on third level for many years.
    Trades should be given equal status and not expect every second level student to pick from a list of courses they have enough points for.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    I think it has a lot to do with free third level education coming in in the 90s.

    I certainly would not have been able to afford college and I have 2 degrees and 2 professional qualifications.

    I think its a good thing and co-incided with the decline of the Catholic Church and the rise of social justice.

    I only with that the fees by the back door called the administration charges were done away with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Left a programming degree to do a different job. Money is way better in my first year than would of been in year 5 of prigramming


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Nothing wrong with having a highly educated population. Lifts us all out of the darkness.

    Except they are not highly educated anymore.
    There isn't the questioning in higher education that there once was.
    Now too many students are on a thread mill to getting a degree and then most likely a masters, just to get a job.

    And just look at the social crapology coming out of universities in other countries.
    And it is starting here as well.

    As someone else said earlier in thread.
    Quantity does not equal Quality.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Hyperbole much?

    I'd love to know what trade is earning more that hospital consultants, financial services executives, economists, programmers and sales people for Google etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I helped a friend by writing an assignment for her business degree a few years back. It was a subject I knew little to nothing about. My effort was total and complete waffle from beginning to end with very little research. It got 80%.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    I'd love to know what trade is earning more that hospital consultants, financial services executives, economists, programmers and sales people for Google etc.

    Agreed. With comparable bonus, share scheme, pension and health care. Starting off trades certainly make more post qualification but over a career the office drone will probably do better if they are even semi competent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭setanta1000


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Everyone is doing third-level though. You pay your money and you get your piece of paper, as a rite of passage. Good for unis, not great for companies who, instead of getting someone with four years' experience, get someone with a degree of indeterminable merit.

    Everyone who leaves school in Ireland is not doing a third level degree - 43,000 out of 55,000 students do an undergrad course - that is not 100% or indeed "everyone".

    Don't know what you mean by indeterminable merit - do you mean you cannot determine the quality of the degree? If so there are a number of ranking resources available that show where Irish universities rank amongst the world's 28,000 3rd level institutions allowing you to determine the relative quality of these. The top ten universities in Ireland are all in the top 10% of global institutions. (Source: http://www.webometrics.info/en/Europe/Ireland%20)


  • Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kneemos wrote: »
    ..............
    Trades should be given equal status ..........

    The status is level 6 on the NFQ, you reckon it should be higher?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Well this thread is an absolute ray of sunshine. Our highly educated work force is a major reason why multinationals locate here. I work in the tech field and in general the level of graduate coming out of all Irish universities is pretty good. Of course they are a bit green coming in on the first day, but I find in general they learn quickly and contribute well to the work.

    I wish people would stop being so ridiculously negative about all things third level related. We can't all do third level, but equally we can't all do trades either. You'd swear the way this place goes on sometimes that college education is somehow a bad thing.

    Spot on - We're very quick in Ireland to talk our own down.

    I have a friend in England. He spent about 8 years living here but he's back in England now. He got 3rd level qualifications in Ireland, not even in a college that would be particularly highly regarded here, and he can walk into any job over there ahead of anyone with the equivalent qualifications in the UK system. We're actually both doing a masters now and he's always gloating about how much easier his is than mine and how the Irish education system is **** because it demands far too much of its students. I think the irony has gotten lost on him somehow!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    I'd love to know what trade is earning more that hospital consultants, financial services executives, economists, programmers and sales people for Google etc.


    From a previous thread.



    My best mate is a plumber, I did his books for him in 2017 and he put 125k through them, you can be sure there was at least another 50k not going through them.


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