Brexit Discussion Thread VI

bilston wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how MPs in the HoC can rule out a No Deal Brexit? Presumably it means if the UK govt cant get a WA through Parliament it will have to try and get A50 extended?

They pass a motion saying that if on the 28th of March there is no Withdrawal Agreement in place, the Government shall withdraw A50.

So the default is No Brexit instead of No Deal.

bilston wrote: »

Fair enough, but I still don't understand what difference MPs voting to rule out No Deal makes. Maybe it puts pressure on the UK govt to offer the EU something significant (like a 2nd referendum or GE) in order to get A50 extended should notjing be agreed.

it means that No Deal is off the table and Parliament has to to find a mutually agreeable solution otherwise the lunatic fringe of the Tory party and the DUP could just simply let the clock run down

So it means a lot really

prawnsambo wrote:

So you're basing this on feelings, opinions and beliefs. And the absence of evidence is evidence of a cover up. Got it.

Anthracite wrote:

So you have no evidence to suggest immigrants are more likely to be criminals, but you are saying it anyway?

Well it's a bit more than just pulling it out of things air but I've nothing more to add.
Surely if you are so upset by what I'm saying you have figures to prove I'm wrong?

RobMc59 wrote: »

I don't think the rest of the UK is subservient to England(if you said that in Scotland you'd be a very brave person!)but I do think this whole brexit disaster has exposed some serious flaws in the UK political system.

A very small majority in Scotland thought that, but they were soon disabused of the notion after the Indy Ref. when England essentially took them out of the EU

downcow wrote: »

The UK was a patchwork of in and out.

2 countries voted in & 2 countries voted out

There were regions voted in and there were regions voted out

And even in NI there constituencies voted in and there were constituencies voted out

Wales and Scotland have both recently voted to be part of the UK and NI isn’t even close enough to consider haveing a referendum to opt out.

How could it be more democratic and how luderous would it be to start saying County Antrim stays and County Fermanagh goes

You do know that that's exactly how Northern Ireland came into existence, don't you? Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal went; Derry, Down, Antrim, Armagh, Fermanagh and Tryone stayed. :cool:

But everything else in your post - the "patchwork" of in and out, the widespread mix of "voted in, voted out" throughout the Kingdom, the insignificant majority across the whole of the electorate - that's the very reason why such a momentous decision as this should, at the very least, be confirmed by a second vote once the full terms and conditions are known.

If you bought Brexit in a shop, EU consumer law would guarantee you a full refund if you found the product you'd purchased didn't match the description on the box.

Anthracite wrote: »

If you are interested in how well the UK system works, compare the trajectory of the NI economy with the ROI economy since independence.

I can’t believe you are suggesting what I think you are suggesting.
My father family of 11 all left roi to get jobs in the north. As I grew up the south was a standing joke (and I am not say that was a nice way to behave but it is fact) around their roads, telephones, their electric, etc, etc. Currently I work for an all ireland organisation and colleagues from the south often express open envy at many of our systems eg access to free doctors, prescriptions, etc.

I commend the south for the progress on equality and separating church from state etc over the last decade. Indeed you have caught up from a long way behind and overtook us on these

RobMc59 wrote: »

I don't think the rest of the UK is subservient to England.

The UK works exactly like this

Boris is now saying May is going to go back to Brussels and demand a change to the Backstop.

VinLieger wrote: »

LoL the irish healthcare system may not be first in the world but the NHS isnt that far ahead of it with its record levels of staffing shortages to name but one major issue facing it.

The one thing the UK has - generally speaking - done well since WW2 is its free healthcare system. Yes, it has problems but it is quite frankly leaps & bounds above the Irish healthcare system, particularly when it comes to front-line services. A&E waiting times can still be a pain in the @rse, but the follow-through on front-line services & after-care is very good, although just how far that goes depends a bit on location-lottery much like anywhere else in the world. In the community, the costs borne by joe-soap if they visit their GP or Dentist are tiny by comparison to what one might get charged in Ireland. No eye-watering dental charges just to say "ahhhhhh" never mind get a filling or what-not, and that health insurance is very common in Ireland, yet is not common UK should tell you something.

Having dealt with elements of the HSE in a professional capacity, and on top of both my own experiences and those of family members of both community & A&E in Dublin, I'll take the NHS over the HSE all any day. So, whatever else you might want to say about Brexit, your dismissive line of "lol" regards the NHS is a hiding to nowhere and contributes nothing. There are better things to contruct an argument with; the NHS vs. the HSE is not one of them and will be a very large thorn in the side of squaring Irish unification should Northern Ireland ever vote to join with rest of the country.

Lemming wrote: »

The one thing the UK has - generally speaking - done well since WW2 is its free healthcare system. Yes, it has problems but it is quite frankly leaps & bounds above the Irish healthcare system, particularly when it comes to front-line services. A&E waiting times can still be a pain in the @rse, but the follow-through on front-line services & after-care is very good, although just how far that goes depends a bit on location-lottery much like anywhere else in the world. In the community, the costs borne by joe-soap if they visit their GP or Dentist are tiny by comparison to what one might get charged in Ireland. No eye-watering dental charges just to say "ahhhhhh" never mind get a filling or what-not, and that health insurance is very common in Ireland, yet is not common UK should tell you something.

Having dealt with elements of the HSE in a professional capacity, and on top of both my own experiences and those of family members of both community & A&E in Dublin, I'll take the NHS over the HSE all any day. So, whatever else you might want to say about Brexit, your dismissive line of "lol" regards the NHS is a hiding to nowhere and contributes nothing. There are better things to contruct an argument with; the NHS vs. the HSE is not one of them and will be a very large thorn in the side of squaring Irish unification should Northern Ireland ever vote to join with rest of the country.

The NHS will be privatised faster than a... fast thing post brexit. Never going to survive disaster cap or the whim of US trade policy.