Anthracite wrote: By the way, I'm sure you will have no trouble backing up your claim that our immigrants are more likely to be criminals. Please furnish the evidence.
bilston wrote: » Can someone explain to me how MPs in the HoC can rule out a No Deal Brexit? Presumably it means if the UK govt cant get a WA through Parliament it will have to try and get A50 extended?
Anthracite wrote: » When did Wales vote on this?
eagle eye wrote: » I posted earlier that I can't find stats. Obviously our government don't want to furnish us with those details.
downcow wrote: » Apologies. I was thinking of the 1997 devolution referendum. I don’t think it would be stretching to assume that as the wish for devolution was so incredibly close that there was no stomach for full independencehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Welsh_devolution_referendum
bilston wrote: » Fair enough, but I still don't understand what difference MPs voting to rule out No Deal makes. Maybe it puts pressure on the UK govt to offer the EU something significant (like a 2nd referendum or GE) in order to get A50 extended should notjing be agreed.
eagle eye wrote: » I posted earlier that I can't find stats. Obviously our government don't want to furnish us with those details. I'm not saying they are all criminals just that imo we've a higher percentage of non-national criminals than shoukd be the case. I'd bet that there is a much higher percentage of them committing crime in this country than there is in their own country.
Strazdas wrote: » The UK is still not a single 'country' though (just as Belgium isn't). The referendum is effectively saying there is no difference between Scotland and Northern Ireland and Lancashire and Berkshire, they have the exact same status (which they don't in truth).
Folkstonian wrote: » It makes a nice change for the Scottish to hate someone else as opposed to each other once in a while, I guess. And I’d probably go to war with the world if I was welsh too. But in all seriousness, I don’t think you can draw many conclusions about wider political trends from the potato-brained louts at an international football match that will yell anything if it may get a rise from the opposition fans. In saying that however, I do think an independent England would be a good thing. Scottish politics have diverged wildly over the last few years. The SNP government north of the wall are every bit as inept, and even more extreme than their counterparts in London.
RobMc59 wrote: » Well actually in the eyes of the EU and UK all countries within the UK have the exact same status.
Anthracite wrote: » True, but that means they are all subservient to England, as seen in recent events. If you are interested in how well the UK system works, compare the trajectory of the NI economy with the ROI economy since independence.
prawnsambo wrote: So you're basing this on feelings, opinions and beliefs. And the absence of evidence is evidence of a cover up. Got it.
Anthracite wrote: So you have no evidence to suggest immigrants are more likely to be criminals, but you are saying it anyway?
eagle eye wrote: » Well it's a bit more than just pulling it out of things air but I've nothing more to add. Surely if you are so upset by what I'm saying you have figures to prove I'm wrong?
RobMc59 wrote: » I don't think the rest of the UK is subservient to England(if you said that in Scotland you'd be a very brave person!)but I do think this whole brexit disaster has exposed some serious flaws in the UK political system.
downcow wrote: » The UK was a patchwork of in and out. 2 countries voted in & 2 countries voted out There were regions voted in and there were regions voted out And even in NI there constituencies voted in and there were constituencies voted out Wales and Scotland have both recently voted to be part of the UK and NI isn’t even close enough to consider haveing a referendum to opt out. How could it be more democratic and how luderous would it be to start saying County Antrim stays and County Fermanagh goes
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Asking other people to back up your claims for you isn't acceptable here. Either stop making the claim or substantiate it and cut out the soapboxing.
Anthracite wrote: » If you are interested in how well the UK system works, compare the trajectory of the NI economy with the ROI economy since independence.
downcow wrote: » Scotland have both recently voted to be part of the UK
RobMc59 wrote: » I don't think the rest of the UK is subservient to England.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Posts deleted. Let's leave it at that please.
downcow wrote: » Currently I work for an all ireland organisation and colleagues from the south often express open envy at many of our systems eg access to free doctors, prescriptions, etc.
VinLieger wrote: » LoL the irish healthcare system may not be first in the world but the NHS isnt that far ahead of it with its record levels of staffing shortages to name but one major issue facing it.
downcow wrote: » I can’t believe you are suggesting what I think you are suggesting. My father family of 11 all left roi to get jobs in the north. As I grew up the south was a standing joke (and I am not say that was a nice way to behave but it is fact) around their roads, telephones, their electric, etc, etc. Currently I work for an all ireland organisation and colleagues from the south often express open envy at many of our systems eg access to free doctors, prescriptions, etc. I commend the south for the progress on equality and separating church from state etc over the last decade. Indeed you have caught up from a long way behind and overtook us on these
Lemming wrote: » The one thing the UK has - generally speaking - done well since WW2 is its free healthcare system. Yes, it has problems but it is quite frankly leaps & bounds above the Irish healthcare system, particularly when it comes to front-line services. A&E waiting times can still be a pain in the @rse, but the follow-through on front-line services & after-care is very good, although just how far that goes depends a bit on location-lottery much like anywhere else in the world. In the community, the costs borne by joe-soap if they visit their GP or Dentist are tiny by comparison to what one might get charged in Ireland. No eye-watering dental charges just to say "ahhhhhh" never mind get a filling or what-not, and that health insurance is very common in Ireland, yet is not common UK should tell you something. Having dealt with elements of the HSE in a professional capacity, and on top of both my own experiences and those of family members of both community & A&E in Dublin, I'll take the NHS over the HSE all any day. So, whatever else you might want to say about Brexit, your dismissive line of "lol" regards the NHS is a hiding to nowhere and contributes nothing. There are better things to contruct an argument with; the NHS vs. the HSE is not one of them and will be a very large thorn in the side of squaring Irish unification should Northern Ireland ever vote to join with rest of the country.
