WRU Dragons vs IRFU Munster, Sat 26th January 3pm, ES1

thomond2006 · 25-01-2019 12:36pm #1

Dragons:
Jordan Williams, Jared Rosser, Tyler Morgan, Jack Dixon, Will Talbot-Davies, Josh Lewis, Rhodri Williams;
Brok Harris, Richard Hibbard (c), Lloyd Fairbrother, Joe Davies, Matthew Screech, Harrison Keddie, Nic Cudd, Ollie Griffiths

Replacements: Rhys Lawrence, Rhys Fawcett, Dan Suter, Lewis Evans, Taine Basham, Rhodri Davies, Jason Tovey, Zane Kirchner

Munster:
Mike Haley; Darren Sweetnam, Dan Goggin, Tyler Bleyendaal (C), Ronan O’Mahony; Bill Johnston, Alby Mathewson;
Jeremy Loughman, Rhys Marshall, Stephen Archer; Jean Kleyn, Billy Holland; Fineen Wycherley, Conor Oliver, Arno Botha.

Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, Liam O’Connor, Ciaran Parker, Darren O’Shea, Gavin Coombes, Neil Cronin, Calvin Nash, Jaco Taute.

While they are shed of many of their starters, Munster will view this trip to Wales as a winnable game as they try to remain top of Conference A. Glasgow will be favourites to win tonight at home to Ospreys so Munster will most likely need to leave Newport with a win to remain ahead in the race for a bye to the semi-finals.

thomond2006 · 25-01-2019 12:59pm

http://www.dragonsrugby.wales/News/Article/54118/lewis-returns-in-new-look-back-line

thomond2006 · 25-01-2019 1:02pm

https://munsterrugby.ie/preview/team-named-munster-side-to-face-dragons/

ROM starting over Nash and Taute on the bench ahead of Arnold is a bit odd. On the other hand it's great to see Johnston starting at 10 and LOC is back on the bench after a long injury absence. Cloete is still presumably injured.

phog · 25-01-2019 1:10pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

https://munsterrugby.ie/preview/team-named-munster-side-to-face-dragons/

ROM starting over Nash and Taute on the bench ahead of Arnold is a bit odd. On the other hand it's great to see Johnston starting at 10 and LOC is back on the bench after a long injury absence. Cloete is still presumably injured.

Cloete was the extra backrower in the warm ups last week

case885 · 25-01-2019 1:11pm

thomond2006 wrote:

ROM starting over Nash and Taute on the bench ahead of Arnold is a bit odd. On the other hand it's great to see Johnston starting at 10 and LOC is back on the bench after a long injury absence. Cloete is still presumably injured.

Yeah I thought Nash and Daly had pushed ahead of him.
Looking forward to seeing how Johnston manages the game, Tyler at 12 will take some of the pressure off him.

aloooof · 25-01-2019 1:12pm

Bleyendaal getting more starts at 12 than 10 this season, suggests his chances of getting a contract are reduced given we're reasonably well stocked there and would only have, at most, one away during RWC.

arsebiscuits1 · 25-01-2019 1:21pm

I have to say fair play to Loughman. He's getting some seriously decent game time down there. I didn't rate him much at Leinster and wasn't sure how well he'd go down there but he's gotten himself Champions Cup minutes.

What are his chances at cementing himself as second choice down there?

Cookiemunster · 25-01-2019 1:26pm

aloooof wrote: »

Bleyendaal getting more starts at 12 than 10 this season, suggests his chances of getting a contract are reduced given we're reasonably well stocked there and would only have, at most, one away during RWC.

I can see him getting a short term deal. Even with only Carbery away that leaves only Johnston and JJH at 10 with possibly 8 games to play before the internationals return.

BoardAtWork · 25-01-2019 1:26pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I have to say fair play to Loughman. He's getting some seriously decent game time down there. I didn't rate him much at Leinster and wasn't sure how well he'd go down there but he's gotten himself Champions Cup minutes.

What are his chances at cementing himself as second choice down there?

Very unlikely. He's definitely behind Kilcoyne and Cronin and hasn't shown much to challenge them for a spot in the squad. LOC is he can find his pre-injury form, should push ahead of him too.

BoardAtWork · 25-01-2019 1:27pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I can see him getting a short term deal. Even with only Carbery away that leaves only Johnston and JJH at 10 with possibly 8 games to play before the internationals return.

Hanrahan is also out with a hip injury, which is a worry due to his problems there in the past.

Defunkd · 25-01-2019 2:05pm

ROM is a surprise for me but he is a good finisher.
TB is surely getting an extension...he's Captained the team nearly every time he starts. They must see something more in him.
Solid team, i hope they click early on.

Tomtom364 · 25-01-2019 3:32pm

aloooof wrote: »

Bleyendaal getting more starts at 12 than 10 this season, suggests his chances of getting a contract are reduced given we're reasonably well stocked there and would only have, at most, one away during RWC.

If anything I think him starting at 12 means he has an even greater chance of staying on.

Munster are very well stocked at 13, however Rory Scannell is the only real option at 12 if Bleyendaal goes. The way Munster are playing recently lends itsself to having a second playmaker in the 12 shirt. The majority of centres in Munster are not suited to that playstyle.

I actually believe that if Bleyendaal puts a few good games together then Scannell could begin to feel the pressure as I think 9. Murray, 10. Carbery, 12. Bleyendaal, 13. Farrell could be a very potent attacking midfield

Dubinusa · 25-01-2019 5:09pm

Loughman has surprisingly done well at Munster. He seems to be making a good impression.
Glad to see R.O.M. He may end up moving on this year though. He's a good player when healthy.
Munster by 10.

leakyboots · 25-01-2019 5:26pm

ROM would be a good signing for Connacht if he's presumably moving on, handy winger

who_me · 25-01-2019 6:47pm

aloooof wrote: »

Bleyendaal getting more starts at 12 than 10 this season, suggests his chances of getting a contract are reduced given we're reasonably well stocked there and would only have, at most, one away during RWC.

I would have assumed he'd be left go, because of his injuries and the other Munster options all being Irish-qualified. But with Keatley now leaving, I'm not so sure.

Carbery is likely to be away (or rested) more, which would just leave JJ and Johnston. While I'm a fan of JJ's, I'm still not convinced he's a great 10; plus it'd leave us very short if there were just one injury.

leakyboots · 25-01-2019 7:12pm

Isn't he Irish-qualified too in a year? Don't think he'll get near the jersey realistically but an extension gives us that option. Not that it should be the reason for an extension - I'd be monitoring his form over the next 2 months and if he states a strong enough case he might get a contract.

I think people forget that amidst the constant injuries from the Glasgow game after Foley passed right up to before the Sarries semi final he was superb, one of our best players that season and we finally got to see why he was nicknamed The General. We got nullified in that game up front and he'd more neck injury woes then if I remember rightly that he's only now coming back from.

Maybe he's had too many chances for an extension but I wouldn't put it past him coming back to that level again if he can stay injury free. With a better pack in front of him too he might strut his stuff again.

who_me · 25-01-2019 7:25pm

Definitely - he didn't play for ages after signing; so no one really knew much about him. When he got the first stretch of games, it was a definite case of "this guy's a bit handy!". Loved his try in the Glasgow game. Seemed to get a bit of a case of the kicking yips in more recent games (it's going around lately....)

If he could stay injury free I'd love to keep him on. Though if it comes down to numbers/budget, I think I'd be more keen to keep Alby, playing alongside the other out-half options.

Yeah_Right · 25-01-2019 7:37pm

How come TB, Matthewson and Marshall are all in the 23? I thought under the Kolpak rule, only 2 of them would be allowed.

Cookiemunster · 25-01-2019 7:50pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

How come TB, Matthewson and Marshall are all in the 23? I thought under the Kolpak rule, only 2 of them would be allowed.

TB has been IQ since the beginning of last season. Also does that rule apply in the Pro14?

Squidgy Black · 25-01-2019 7:52pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

TB has been IQ since the beginning of last season. Also does that rule apply in the Pro14?

Yes it does. Currently Leinster's woe with JGP/Fardy/Lowe.

Yeah_Right · 25-01-2019 7:55pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

TB has been IQ since the beginning of last season. Also does that rule apply in the Pro14?

I thought he was but another poster mentioned him being qualified in a year. Makes sense now.

Cookiemunster · 25-01-2019 8:21pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Yes it does. Currently Leinster's woe with JGP/Fardy/Lowe.

I've seen it being an issue in Europe, but I'd not heard anything about it being an issue in the Pro14. Suppose I hadn't been giving it that much notice.

BoardAtWork · 25-01-2019 8:32pm

leakyboots wrote: »

Isn't he Irish-qualified too in a year? Don't think he'll get near the jersey realistically but an extension gives us that option. Not that it should be the reason for an extension - I'd be monitoring his form over the next 2 months and if he states a strong enough case he might get a contract.

I think people forget that amidst the constant injuries from the Glasgow game after Foley passed right up to before the Sarries semi final he was superb, one of our best players that season and we finally got to see why he was nicknamed The General. We got nullified in that game up front and he'd more neck injury woes then if I remember rightly that he's only now coming back from.

Maybe he's had too many chances for an extension but I wouldn't put it past him coming back to that level again if he can stay injury free. With a better pack in front of him too he might strut his stuff again.

If he's kept on and finds form, I don't think he'd have any issue establishing himself as 3rd choice Irish 10 behind Carberry. It is a big if though.

I'd imagine that Munster will try to keep him on if he proves his fitness before the end of the year. If he can cover 10/12 to a high standard, and Hanrahan covers 10/15, there should be plenty of gametime to go around.

I know that Hanrahan has signed on for another two years, but the re-emergence of his hip issues is a worry.

yerrahbah · 26-01-2019 4:00pm

Conditions and pitch look awful.

Subpopulus · 26-01-2019 4:13pm

This feels more like a B&I cup game...

mangobob · 26-01-2019 4:16pm

Is that Jackman commentating? That must be a bit weird for him.

sioda · 26-01-2019 4:25pm

This is shockingly bad

yerrahbah · 26-01-2019 4:26pm

What's the record for the number of kicks in a rugby game.

mangobob · 26-01-2019 4:26pm

Well. This is pretty dire.

Bridge93 · 26-01-2019 4:27pm

This is the worst game I’ve ever seen at pro level. Conditions are appalling but fear god

sioda · 26-01-2019 4:28pm

Has to be said great hands when the ball is caught

yerrahbah · 26-01-2019 4:29pm

Didn't see much wrong with that

Quint2010 · 26-01-2019 4:30pm

Why was the OH holding his head there? His head wasn't injured as far as I could see?

The Rape of Lucretia · 26-01-2019 4:31pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

Didn't see much wrong with that

I did. The head grab, even though his head made no contact with the ground clearly dishonest and a sign of low moral character attempting to deceive the ref and make more out of the tackle than was there. Rugby really has to bring in a football still simulation sanction.

BoardAtWork · 26-01-2019 4:31pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Why was the OH holding his head there? His head wasn't injured as far as I could see?

He clearly jarred his neck by protecting himself with a stiff arm.

Either that, or he has been watching too much Sexton.

connemara man · 26-01-2019 4:32pm

That was a bad late tackle call, then Munster were offside in the maul ball at the back no dragons attached

BoardAtWork · 26-01-2019 4:34pm

connemara man wrote: »

That was a bad late tackle call, then Munster were offside in the maul ball at the back no dragons attached

It goes back to two phases earlier where the ref ignored the Dragons playing the ball on the ground. Swings and roundabouts.

yerrahbah · 26-01-2019 4:36pm

Stop kicking it Tyler

LuckyGent88 · 26-01-2019 4:36pm

Two absolutely ****e kicks from TB. Kick them low along the wet ****e ground

Muligatawney · 26-01-2019 4:39pm

mangobob wrote: »

Is that Jackman commentating? That must be a bit weird for him.

Especially seeing as Dragons have immediately improved since he left.

BoardAtWork · 26-01-2019 4:42pm

Sweetnam tripped there. Should be a penalty try and yellow there.

Edit: Not even looked at. Terrible.

BoardAtWork · 26-01-2019 4:44pm

Between the high tackle and trip, that's probably two yellows ignored.

Quint2010 · 26-01-2019 4:47pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

He clearly jarred his neck by protecting himself with a stiff arm.

Either that, or he has been watching too much Sexton.

If he hurt his neck he'd be holding his neck not his head. And what's Sexton got to do with it?

shootermacg · 26-01-2019 4:48pm

Wtf is the story with the mauls? Seems like they are just walking up the sides and tackling the man.

Subpopulus · 26-01-2019 4:49pm

Well, that was 40mins of rugby worth forgetting.

eigrod · 26-01-2019 4:53pm

Just 2 cameras for that is poor at this level

BoardAtWork · 26-01-2019 4:54pm

Ref has been very poor. A couple of yellows probably missed, and the Archer try should have stood as per the question the ref asked. Its his first game, but hopefully it doesn't cost Munster.

Absoluvely · 26-01-2019 4:54pm

What was referee's last call of the first half?

He went to the TMO to check any reason not to award a try, they established that it was a double-movement, which is a penalty, but then he instead signalled half-time.

The Rape of Lucretia · 26-01-2019 4:57pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

Archer try should have stood as per the question the ref asked.

Why ? He asked any reason. TMO says crawling to get ball over the line so there is a reason not to award it.

Burkie1203 · 26-01-2019 4:57pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

Ref has been very poor. A couple of yellows probably missed, and the Archer try should have stood as per the question the ref asked. Its his first game, but hopefully it doesn't cost Munster.

TMO said double Movement. So regardless of question the ref disallowed the try. Should have restarted with Dragons Penalty. Archer clearly used his knees to gain momentum

BoardAtWork · 26-01-2019 5:02pm

Haley isn't impressing.

WRU Dragons vs IRFU Munster, Sat 26th January 3pm, ES1

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