Brexit Discussion Thread VI

funkey_monkey wrote: »

No, it did not mean I voted for SF. But I do not expect the DUP to drop their mandate to represent me and the other remainers.
They are thankfully not the government of NI and so do not have to abide by the outcome of the vote.
It might be short sighted of them not to do so, but that is their call.

They are 'partners' in the government of northern Ireland and steadfastly refuse to implement the will of the people.
This isn't just the case with Brexit, they have done the same with regard to decisions made by the majority who voted for the GFA, resulting in that process stalling and the denial of rights enjoyed by everyone else on these islands.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

If not for the snap election giving the DUP ridiculous power, the whole border issue would have been done and dusted in December 2018, with the agreed backstop meaning no hard border.

Perhaps, but in that scenario the ERG and other hard Brexiters would have found another mast to nail their colours to.

Car crash interview with Tim Martin of Wetherspoons as to what his issues are with the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/jan/25/owen-jones-meets-tim-martin-wetherspoons-no-deal-brexit-poverty-wages-dont-ask-childish-questions-video

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Just reading through from last night and haven't read anything else so far this morning, so I was going to ask what crap the indo has published today.

Anyone else getting suspicious about the mendacious nature of the stories? Qui bono?

RT funneling a load of cash to Talbot Street?

Was headline in their app version- I can’t seem to copy paste it to here! It was an article about taxation and Davos conference.

Yea, definitely something or someone is trying to create a chasm between us and europe.

road_high wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/under-siege-world-leaders-take-tax-haven-swipe-at-us-37747655.html

Here we go...

Don't click the link, but I posted the headline above

Under Siege: world leaders take 'tax haven' swipe at us

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Brexit is a Westminster issue. The government is conservatives. As much as I world have preferred the DUP to adopt a more balanced approach, they are within their rights to go to Westminster on a brexit platform as that is what they stood for and were elected in.

If, however, the assembly was up and running, then I would expect OFMDFM to adopt the will of the people and lobby TM accordingly.

However, both SF and DUP have abandoned the electorate. And so here we are...

The DUP abandoned their enshrined commitment to ensure the will of the people was done, a long time ago. Hence the inability of any democrat to sit in government with them.

The Indo has been toilet paper for decades- it’ll be the preferred paper for Gemma O’Doherty types soon

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I've seen this a couple of times, whats the deal with the permits, or more correctly, the complete lack of them? Who is issuing them and surely they must be aware that 60 is a farcically small number given the situation???

This I think refers to ECMT permits that are issued by each country to allow non-national vehicles transit their territory. It's part of emission controls under the OECD / International Transport Forum. Countries like Ireland would have very little need for these as it's unlikely that vehicles from outside the EU would end up in our territory. But on 29th March at 11:00pm we will suddenly have borders with a non-EU territory and there won't be enough permits.

The permits have to be applied for and are based on a quota system, which means that changing the number would require a hefty amount of negotiation. The countries that participate in the scheme are as follows:

Albania, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russian Federation, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine and United Kingdom.

So it's not an EU system, it's just that membership of the EU dispenses with the need for these permits as the EU is treated as one territory for haulage purposes. Also important to note that this system is based on vehicles (not drivers or haulage companies) and structured according to emissions of the vehicles concerned. The UK as a whole has just under 1000 of these permits for HGVs.

road_high wrote: »

Was headline in their app version- I can’t seem to copy paste it to here! It was an article about taxation and Davos conference.

Yea, definitely something or someone is trying to create a chasm between us and europe.

Yeah, I read the article and I actually had to tweet at the indo about it. It's rather pathetic.

funkey_monkey wrote: »

We are starting to sidetrack this thread. I certainly don't disagree about the DUP being an abhorrent party - I'm stuck in one of their 'safe seats' so I know all too well about them.
Although, SF are no angels either. But let's not detail this thread.

Well I certainly didn't claim that there are any fully angelic parties in politics. But some 'angels' have dirtier faces than others!

The Independent through some of it's false reporting in recent weeks has actually done some damage to Ireland's perceived position. The Independent had two headlines that were picked up in the UK press and run with.

One was that Varadkar said to other party leaders at a meeting that checks would have to be put between the EU mainland and Ireland. Even Sinn Féin came out and said that was a completely false take.

There was another one but can't think of it off my head.

But both either total lies or incompetent journalism that Brexiteers seized on as showing division between us and the EU.

Shoddy "journalism"

A lot of politics is looking at Yvette Cooper's amendment on Tuesday which will further throw mud into the water ( it tries to take No-Deal off the table ) . It more or less presupposes an A50 extension but I cannot for the life of me see the EU granting it without a big big change in HoC intentions

What do we think the chances of no deal are now then?

Will they sleepwalk into it? I can’t see enough MPs supporting anything to stop it, be that an extension to article 50, revoking it, or a people’s vote.

Why are they having another vote on the dead deal next week?

Have the EU said anything about the circumstances under which they might offer an extension?

Hurrache wrote: »

Breitbart UK, Cambridge Analytica and advocate for Britain leaving on WTO terms gets an absolute mauling when actually questioned on why Britain should move to WTO rules.

WTF British media hasn't been asking these people these questions before is shameful
https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1088725166266429440?s=19

His wiki entry was subsequently amended
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1088748628582248449?s=19

I watched that last night. Absolute car crash of an interview where the other panelists were openly laughing at him.

Won't have much effect on those like him though. 'We'll be alright' seems to be the default.

murphaph wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised but it would seem very unlikely to succeed. The Irish basically know the score... we're a small open economy and leaving the EU would be economic suicide. We know we're not superior somehow to our continental partners. We know the EU is not perfect too, but we know where we'd be without it.

But what if there is a hit to the economy in less than 70 days and a hard border? That's fertile breeding ground for the likes of those behind this nonsense in the first place. No complacency.