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Used BMW i3 experiences

  • 23-01-2019 2:18pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 12


    Hi all,
    Been pouring over this forum for last while because we’re looking at getting a 2nd car and a used electric i3 is an option we’re considering. My wife would be driving it as she does a 30 minute commute each way to work with motorway driving about 20 minutes of that. We have a toddler so a child seat would need to be fitted as well. We’ve never been in the BMW or Mercedes type price range for a car and I’m a bit worried about the running costs and reliability. Are they a reliable car generally? Is fixing it if something breaks going to cost thousands?
    I’ve been doing the sums and while the car loan would be higher it looks like our monthly outgoings would be about the same/slightly cheaper as buying a relatively new/new Skoda citigo or VW up once we remove the cost of the diesel we fork out every month for my wife’s commute. We would also be getting a lot more car for our money with the i3. I mostly cycle to work so I won’t be driving a whole lot anyway. Any advice/experiences appreciated.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Journey time means very little. If you can provide distances for the journey it would promote an easier response.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Waitin4thebus


    It’s about 40km each way with mix of motorway (About half) and single carriageway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭micks_address


    I would think with reliability you are taking the engine out of the equation so should be much better in theory.. I do a similar commute and think something like an i3 would suit me to.. mad_lad has a thread and is probably the resident expert here on i3's...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,278 ✭✭✭mordeith


    Used i3 owner here. Have a 161 and must be close to a year we have it. Haven't had any hint of anything going wrong with it as yet. Nice to drive and I'd regularly use it to do a round trip of 70kms. About 30-35 of that at motorway speed.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,782 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It’s about 40km each way with mix of motorway (About half) and single carriageway.

    80km. Would you consider a full Electric Vehicle rather than a hybrid?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,278 ✭✭✭mordeith


    kceire wrote: »
    80km. Would you consider a full Electric Vehicle rather than a hybrid?

    Did the OP specify a Rex model?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,782 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    mordeith wrote: »
    Did the OP specify a Rex model?

    Good point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Waitin4thebus


    Sorry..i’d Prefer full electric 94ah/33kw version but would consider the smaller battery model and Rex if people felt it was a good option


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,278 ✭✭✭mordeith


    Sorry..i’d Prefer full electric 94ah/33kw version but would consider the smaller battery model and Rex if people felt it was a good option

    Rex is very useful but if you have a second ICE car and home charging then the 94ah would suit easily.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Waitin4thebus


    Has anybody had any experience with child seat? Looked at few YouTube videos that I found but would like to hear from forumers living with it day to day?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,278 ✭✭✭mordeith


    Has anybody had any experience with child seat? Looked at few YouTube videos that I found but would like to hear from forumers living with it day to day?

    Only used those booster seats with the high back. No problem with them. The coach doors will be great for getting the seat (and the child) in and out. Just don't ask Soarer... he hates em! :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭Soarer


    I had an extended test drive in one (3 days), and found the back doors to be an absolute disaster! Two young fellas (7 & 10) being dropped to school/training/matches, and each stop involves the driver having to get out and open their door.
    The fact you've a small kid means you kinda have to do that anyway. Pain in the hole.

    - The "windows" in the back don't open. Again, mightn't be a big issue.

    - Couldn't control the bluetooth audio from my phone using the steering wheel!

    - The auto-wipers need to be turned on everytime you start the car, even if they're already "on". Apparently this is a safety thing!

    - The reversing screen doesn't automatically revert to the previous screen once you're out of reverse. So if you reverse and park, you have to manually display the radio again (or whatever).

    Loads of little niggly things like that that would drive me mad coming from a Leaf.

    As a driver's car though, it's unbelievable. So much so that, even with all the foibles listed above, I find myself always thinking about buying one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭Soarer


    mordeith wrote: »
    Only used those booster seats with the high back. No problem with them. The coach doors will be great for getting the seat (and the child) in and out. Just don't ask Soarer... he hates em! :-)

    :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,278 ✭✭✭mordeith


    Soarer wrote: »
    I had an extended test drive in one (3 days), and found the back doors to be an absolute disaster! Two young fellas (7 & 10) being dropped to school/training/matches, and each stop involves the driver having to get out and open their door.
    The fact you've a small kid means you kinda have to do that anyway. Pain in the hole.

    - The "windows" in the back don't open. Again, mightn't be a big issue.

    - Couldn't control the bluetooth audio from my phone using the steering wheel!

    - The auto-wipers need to be turned on everytime you start the car, even if they're already "on". Apparently this is a safety thing!

    - The reversing screen doesn't automatically revert to the previous screen once you're out of reverse. So if you reverse and park, you have to manually display the radio again (or whatever).

    Loads of little niggly things like that that would drive me mad coming from a Leaf.

    As a driver's car though, it's unbelievable. So much so that, even with all the foibles listed above, I find myself always thinking about buying one!

    Mine only has the reversing sensor screen (but not the camera) but goes back to the previous screen no problems.
    I haven't tried the Bluetooth controls from the steering wheel yet but must see if I have the same issue.

    One thing I have noticed is the passenger mirror will tilt downwards when reversing but not every time. Not sure if I'm disabling it somehow or it's just temperamental.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    mordeith wrote: »
    ..
    One thing I have noticed is the passenger mirror will tilt downwards when reversing but not every time. Not sure if I'm disabling it somehow or it's just temperamental.

    In my Honda the tilt will only happen when I've the mirror adjustment button (not the "joypad") selecting the passenger window i.e. flicked to the left.
    Could be the same (or variant of) with yours?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,782 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    mordeith wrote: »
    Mine only has the reversing sensor screen (but not the camera) but goes back to the previous screen no problems.
    I haven't tried the Bluetooth controls from the steering wheel yet but must see if I have the same issue.

    One thing I have noticed is the passenger mirror will tilt downwards when reversing but not every time. Not sure if I'm disabling it somehow or it's just temperamental.

    That feature, as per every other Bmw with the option is depending on the position of the switch on the drivers door that goes to left or right for adjusting the mirrors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,278 ✭✭✭mordeith


    slave1 wrote: »
    In my Honda the tilt will only happen when I've the mirror adjustment button (not the "joypad") selecting the passenger window i.e. flicked to the left.
    Could be the same (or variant of) with yours?

    Good call. I'll try that. The folding mirror button is right beside so it's quite likely I nudged it


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I got an i3 33 Kwh Rex 2017 with 46,000 Kms.

    No issues with reliability and have 3 yr and 4.5 yr old, car seats are no issue what so ever.

    Yes indeed the Rex is a mighty life saver and has got me out of many situations which would have been extremely frustrating in a BEV only due to the extremely poor charger situation in Ireland.

    One good example was when we drove around the west of Ireland , from Limerick all around the ring was done on EV from home, all around the ring with about 45 min stop for food and plugged in at AC point @ 11 Kw, without the AC I would have need to use the Rex a lot earlier.

    Got to Killarney , DC is ChaDEMo only which I was aware of, AC point was dead despite showing as working on the map. So next morning we had to use the Rex all the way to Cashel and without it we would have had to put it on the back of a truck.

    On a trip to Galway in December I met a Leaf 40 Kwh and Ioniq owner at the charger in Ballinasloe and they were also p1ssed off with the network, so while the BEV is great for your Wife's 40 Km commute if you take it on longer trips you need to prepared for queues, it will happen and with small Children who may otherwise have already been an hour or more in the car may not appreciate being bored in the car while you charge another 30 mins or possibly have to wait 30 mins before your 30 min charge, that's 1 hr in total, if there are 2 cars waiting then it will be awful experience and your Wife and Children may loose the rag.

    My Oh can just about tolerate a 30 min charge and it's hard to keep the boys from going mad in the back and I'm not someone who will give them Ipads or phones to entertain them , they get books to read or toys to play with but it's better if you Can get out and go in to get food somewhere but when you get back to the car you might meet a p1ssed off Leaf driver scolding you for leaving the car while it's charging lol.

    Anyway, if you go for the BEV it will save you money for sure and take the 2nd car for the long trips.

    The i3 has a very useful 11 Kw 3 phase charger but you will need to buy a 32 amp 3 phase charge lead as BMW only provide a 32 amp single phase charge lead. 11 Kw can get from 10-90 % in little over 2 hrs, it is very useful.

    The rear doors are a pain in tight spaces but I usually park somewhere there is no car beside me but sometimes I can't but it's not something I'd personally let influence my decision not to get the car, I was aware of it when I bought it.

    I was critical of the i3 at first but the 500 odd km test drive convinced me it will be my next car, it's as if BMW designed it for Irish back roads it's a joy to drive.

    We have 2 cars but the reason I got the Rex was because of the charger situation and because I can't always take the Outlander if my OH is using it and my insurance will not allow me drive anything fully comp without having to call them up and transfer.

    Go take a test drive int he i3 and i3 S you will not want to give it back !

    The 42 Kwh is now available for an amazing 400 Euro extra.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Waitin4thebus


    Thanks for all the feedback hugely appreciated..I’m leaning towards an i3 and will look into getting one brought in from uk before Brexit screws things!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭spuddy


    Have an i3 and a toddler, doors are brilliant for rear access. Great to drive, puts a smile on my face everytime I drive it. Buy one, you won't regret it!

    2k3GWV4h.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭zoom_cool


    I have a BMW i3 94AH with Rex and I have now 75000 KM I bought it last year with 31000KM and it is a great car the doors are a nuisance I dont have kids so it doesn't really affect me.

    I had a problem with the steering making a clicking noise but this was repaired under warranty. Great car drive takes a little getting use to do can be a bit skittish especially on frosty morning


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    zoom_cool wrote: »
    I have a BMW i3 94AH with Rex and I have now 75000 KM I bought it last year with 31000KM and it is a great car the doors are a nuisance I dont have kids so it doesn't really affect me.

    I had a problem with the steering making a clicking noise but this was repaired under warranty. Great car drive takes a little getting use to do can be a bit skittish especially on frosty morning

    What's your battery capacity ? dying to know lol.

    75,000 Kms for 30K that's good going. Do you use the Rex much ? great isn't it ?

    https://bmwi3owner.com/2016/01/secrets/

    My i3 is going in for service on the 28th Feb and they're loaning me the 42 Kwh and I'm going to ask them for the S if they can get it, dying to get a spin in that !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭zoom_cool


    My battery capacity is 29.5kw when I bought it was 29.7kw so absolutely no real degradation. I use the REX on some long journeys not that frequently the last time I filled It was November and still have half tank.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s pretty good so far, hopefully the amazing cycle life of the battery proves correct.

    Mine is down about .2 as well lol probably due to the colder weather.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,080 ✭✭✭Patser


    Have a 2nd hand 60ah, pure BEV, 1 small kid and similar commute to what OP described.

    Loving it.

    Little one in back enjoys the high seating position with the low cut window, gives her a great view of the world outside. I also have a sunroof, so again increases the feeling of airiness.

    Cheap to run, saving to planet, etc etc etc but real reason I love it is the performance. It's just so much fun, and so smooth. Go kart racing in silence and comfort.

    Downsides - yes, rear doors are cool and actually handy if you're putting in infants, but often niggly as you have to get out to let passengers out. And if you're parked side by side with cars, there's often a little dance of open front door, open rear door, shuffle up inside front door, close rear door, shuffle back, close front door, now you're no longer trapped.

    Also I'm having no issue with my 60ah range, but the 94ah, 120ah (if you can afford) or Rex option advisable just to give more and more flexibility.


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    Patser wrote: »
    Have a 2nd hand 60ah, pure BEV, 1 small kid and similar commute to what OP described.

    Loving it.

    Little one in back enjoys the high seating position with the low cut window, gives her a great view of the world outside. I also have a sunroof, so again increases the feeling of airiness.

    Cheap to run, saving to planet, etc etc etc but real reason I love it is the performance. It's just so much fun, and so smooth. Go kart racing in silence and comfort.

    Downsides - yes, rear doors are cool and actually handy if you're putting in infants, but often niggly as you have to get out to let passengers out. And if you're parked side by side with cars, there's often a little dance of open front door, open rear door, shuffle up inside front door, close rear door, shuffle back, close front door, now you're no longer trapped.

    Also I'm having no issue with my 60ah range, but the 94ah, 120ah (if you can afford) or Rex option advisable just to give more and more flexibility.

    Curious to know what sort of range you are getting at the moment in the 60ah?

    M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,080 ✭✭✭Patser


    MM3 wrote: »
    Curious to know what sort of range you are getting at the moment in the 60ah?

    M

    Fully charged it's saying 100km, but I work shift, so tend to have lovely empty motorways at 5am, so since range is estimated over previous driving, I'd be confident I could stretch that if needed. Last summer was getting ranges of 130 in the morning


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    Thanks Patser.

    Next question (BTW expect more :) ) I was looking at an i3 with the 20" 430 alloys , anyone here running on those? Is the ride much more harsh than the 19"?

    Thanks

    M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭zoom_cool


    I run the 20 inch 430 alloys and do t find them that bad but never had 19 so can't compare


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  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    Couple more questions for anyone who bought in the uk:

    - did you get a 3rd party inspection done? I’ll probably buy from a bmw dealer so probably not required?
    - How did you get the car back? I don’t fancy a 4-5 drive for my first EV experience 😎. Anyone recommend a transport company?

    M


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    On the subject of 60ah vs 94ah pure BEV, Looking at 2 16 reg cars , one a well specd 60ah vs a fairly basic 94ah (upgraded alloys). Would range trump spec? We’d typically do around 50km per day in the car so I’m tempted to go with the 60ah, 94ah is approx €1000 more.

    Thoughts?


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MM3 wrote: »
    On the subject of 60ah vs 94ah pure BEV, Looking at 2 16 reg cars , one a well specd 60ah vs a fairly basic 94ah (upgraded alloys). Would range trump spec? We’d typically do around 50km per day in the car so I’m tempted to go with the 60ah, 94ah is approx €1000 more.

    Thoughts?

    Is this BEV or Rex ?

    More range is always better, i3 is a great car to drive so I'd over look some gadgets for rang especially if BEV.

    The 94 ah also charges faster at the fast charger as in it allows the battery charge at a higher rate of power for a lot longer so you get more range than the 64 ah for the same time on the charger, definitely worth that alone.

    Remember when the battery is cold, below 20 Deg C it does not charge at full power the same as with all EV's.

    i3 has a battery heater that works when plugged in and a depart timer set 4 hrs prior to depart time, it heats to 10 Deg C and by the time you have driven to need a charge it should be plenty warm, that's my experience anyway in cold weather.

    That 1000 would be far better spend on range and faster fast charging than gadgets in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭zoom_cool


    If it was me I would get the 94ah the bigger battery the better, plus the benefit as Mad_lad said of faster charging which is also a big thing especially if it non Rex version. I got mine in the UK from BMW garage in Lancaster and drove it same day to Hollyhead no problem with the REX.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    + I think the 94 ah battery is a better battery anyway, more time needed of course to establish this but the specs on the cells in the i3 94 ah are amazing if true.


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    Thanks for the replies, it’s a BEV not a REX, we have an ICE so the I3 will only be used for local trips. I’ll have to have a think about it, that €1000 is €1000 over budget so that has to be considered as well. However I’d imagine it would hold its value better over time which would make justifying the additional spend easier.

    M


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  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MM3 wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies, it’s a BEV not a REX, we have an ICE so the I3 will only be used for local trips. I’ll have to have a think about it, that €1000 is €1000 over budget so that has to be considered as well. However I’d imagine it would hold its value better over time which would make justifying the additional spend easier.

    M

    The 1000 is a good investment but hold off until you find the right spec you want, the 94 ah also has a really good 11 Kw 3 phase charger but you'll need to buy a 32 amp 3 phase charge lead.

    We have a lot of 22 Kw AC points so this makes longer distance travel a lot easier as it eliminates the need to hang around at fast chargers or greatly reduced the need for them.

    So definitely if it's BEV only the 94 Ah does have 2 very good advantages, you will probably find yourself wanting to drive the i3 a lot more then the ICE car.
    But, as I said earlier as with all electric cars if the battery is cold charging will be a lot slower, say at 10 deg C you could be charging at 35 Kw v 55 Kw according to the charger power meter. The battery heater does help in very cold weather when setting off from 100% charge with preheat selected and plugged in 4 hrs in advance.

    On 11 Kw ac the i3 94 Ah can get from 10-90% in a little over 2 hrs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,080 ✭✭✭Patser


    MM3 - just to answer all your questions from above, since you seem to be going through identical decisions I made last year:

    I bought my car 'blind' from a registered BMW dealer in the UK from an ad on motors.co.uk. I had a years BMW warranty that would travel, so figured I was safe enough

    Last year NVD had a deal (I actually spotted it thanks to Bargain Alerts here) in February to collect any car in UK for €250 - so I had them collect car. Slight issue with delivery, but that was entirely due to Beast from the East hitting that week and everything coming to a standstill.

    As for 60 vs 93 vs Rex - it's a personal decision. I couldn't really stretch to 93ah last year, and when debating Rex over goodies, I went with goodies. I've a long car history of convertibles, and when family needs overrode that I compromised with large glass roofs, or sunroofs. So for me that was important. Right car at right price came up, within the budget I was sticking to, so I went for it. But I knew I was well withing daily range for travel, have chargers including a CCS on regular route in case of emergencies, so my need for Rex would be limited. It's still a great feature to have, and I'd probably had used it once or twice over last year - but I've survived easily without it. That's just me though, and more range is always, always better if you can afford it.

    Also as I always like to point out, due to less dense battery and lack of weight from Rex, the 60ah is the fastest accelerating i3 except for the new i3s - which it almost matches.

    https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/bmw-0-60-mph-times/


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    MM3 wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies, it’s a BEV not a REX, we have an ICE so the I3 will only be used for local trips. I’ll have to have a think about it, that €1000 is €1000 over budget so that has to be considered as well. However I’d imagine it would hold its value better over time which would make justifying the additional spend easier.

    M

    If the i3 is local trips only would you not consider a Leaf30, it's a proper 5 seater, no doors issue and much cheaper


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Patser wrote: »
    Also as I always like to point out, due to less dense battery and lack of weight from Rex, the 60ah is the fastest accelerating i3 except for the new i3s - which it almost matches.

    https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/bmw-0-60-mph-times/

    Haven't seen that argument used before. Makes a lot of sense, thanks for sharing + proof with your link

    0-60 60Ah 6.4s
    0-60 60Ah REx 7.6s

    That's a massive difference in my book, the BEV is almost on a par with my Porsche


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    slave1 wrote: »
    If the i3 is local trips only would you not consider a Leaf30, it's a proper 5 seater, no doors issue and much cheaper

    tbh we’ve driven BMWs for a long time and I’m not sure I could live with the interior of the Leaf - nothing wrong with the car just a personal preference.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    The interior step down is nothing of course compared to the way a RWD BMW drives vs a FWD Japanese econobox. Haven't owned a BMW myself in over 2 years and I miss them. It's time I'd take an i3 for a test drive :)


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    unkel wrote: »
    Haven't seen that argument used before. Makes a lot of sense, thanks for sharing + proof with your link

    0-60 60Ah 6.4s
    0-60 60Ah REx 7.6s

    That's a massive difference in my book, the BEV is almost on a par with my Porsche

    There u go more of an incentive then to get the 60 ah you were thinking about lol.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The i3 is due an upgrade I'd say, they're a bit behind because they were to discontinue it in 2020 but they are continuing production but they got to give the i3 a proper update. 300 HP 4wd !

    I'd have that more than all the gadgets in the world none of that autopilot/ propilot sh1t lol !

    Even the 94AH Rex is a lot of fun but BMW really need to give the i3 a proper power boost.

    The S is supposed to be even more fun.


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    Think I’m going to go for the 94ah , has 65k km on it (it’s a late 2016) , any concerns re mileage?


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MM3 wrote: »
    Think I’m going to go for the 94ah , has 65k km on it (it’s a late 2016) , any concerns re mileage?

    Yep, you will not regret that decision and you can take it on a lot further trips and charge faster and save some petrol and got 11 Kw AC charger for the AC points once you buy a 3 phase charge lead.

    A good decision.

    Mileage concerns ? I have not heard of anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,080 ✭✭✭Patser


    MM3 wrote: »
    Think I’m going to go for the 94ah , has 65k km on it (it’s a late 2016) , any concerns re mileage?

    But what colour is the main issue!??


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    Patser wrote: »
    But what colour is the main issue!??

    Mineral grey

    Btw does anyone know if the aa or rac do a pre purchase inspections on electric cars? I’d like to get one done for peace of mind as I’ll probably get the car transported here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭zoom_cool


    You are making right decision the 94Ah is the way to go will hold it's value better and 3 phase charging also.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    3 phase AC "only" with separately purchased 32 amp 3 phase lead, for anyone who does not know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Or at a tethered triple head fast AC charger of course!


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