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Why do alot of clubs train on tues/thurs

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  • 20-01-2019 6:23pm
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    average_runner
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    Alot of the club training days are tuesday and Thursday.

    Alot of training plans recommend a mid week run of 7-9 miles, but how to fit it in?

    For example the following is a typical runner week:
    - Monday aerobic run
    - Tues club
    - Wed recovery run
    - Thurs club
    - Fri recovery run
    - Sat/Sun long run

    So where does the midweek run fit in?

    Would Mon/Thurs not be better club nights?

    For me it seems to be Monday for the. Midweek run.


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    Djoucer
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    Wednesday is the mid week run in most plans. It’s easy miles.


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    average_runner
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    Djoucer wrote: »
    Wednesday is the mid week run in most plans. It’s easy miles.

    But alot of coaches recommend midweek run be faster than recovery run and the recovery run is recommended after a hard session?


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    28064212
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    You seem to be trying to mash two plans together: the club's and your own. That's not going to work. You need to decide which plan you're going to follow and then stick to it. If you can adapt club sessions around your plan, all the better

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    average_runner
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    Not trying to mash two plans together. But the world top coaches of the past and current recommend a midweek run so i was wondering the history behind tues/thurs when it goes against those principles?

    Especially when it comes to clubs wanting their athletes to run the marathon.

    I am not planning to run a marathon either. Buts it more of a question why those days?


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    RayCun
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    Do your long midweek run on Wednesday. Long run the day after a session is good training.


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    ultrapercy
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Not trying to mash two plans together. But the world top coaches of the past and current recommend a midweek run so i was wondering the history behind tues/thurs when it goes against those principles?

    Especially when it comes to clubs wanting their athletes to run the marathon.

    I am not planning to run a marathon either. Buts it more of a question why those days?
    There are only 4 midweek days to choose from. Monday is the day after long run day so Tuesday is the first real option so to leave a day gap for recovery Thursday is the next day. It dosent matter whato day certain types of Runs are done provided adequate recovery is allowed for. No coach worth the name works on a standard 7 day week cycle anyway. 10 day 14 day or even 21 day or more overy lapping cycles work much better. You cannot fit long run, intervall hills tempo and speed work into a 7 day cycle and allow for recovery.


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    RayCun
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    Plus, there's no reason you have to go to every club session. I'm sure part of the reason for two training sessions a week is that people won't be able to make one. When we had training twice midweek I picked one and went for an easy run the other day.


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    BeepBeep67
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    Do your recovery run Wednesday morning and your midweek run Wednesday evening - simples


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    Swashbuckler
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    average_runner wrote:
    Alot of training plans recommend a mid week run of 7-9 miles, but how to fit it in?

    7-9 miles wouldn't be all that unusual for any run at any stage during the week. All of my runs are 7 milers either side of sessions during the week and used to be 8 milers for a short while.


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    average_runner
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    RayCun wrote: »
    Do your long midweek run on Wednesday. Long run the day after a session is good training.

    Doez that not increase the chance of injury. Listening to pfitzinger podcast he recommends recovery from a hard session the next day and not pushing it?


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    average_runner
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    ultrapercy wrote: »
    There are only 4 midweek days to choose from. Monday is the day after long run day so Tuesday is the first real option so to leave a day gap for recovery Thursday is the next day. It dosent matter whato day certain types of Runs are done provided adequate recovery is allowed for. No coach worth the name works on a standard 7 day week cycle anyway. 10 day 14 day or even 21 day or more overy lapping cycles work much better. You cannot fit long run, intervall hills tempo and speed work into a 7 day cycle and allow for recovery.

    Very true but do you need a recovery from a standard long run more than a hard session?

    Asumming(a big if) most do long run sat or sun morning, so would it not be more effective to have a hard session Monday night, rec tue, decent wed run, thurs club, fri rec?

    Not a dig at clubs just something that came into my head today. Thought it might get some interesting views.


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    Lazare
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Doez that not increase the chance of injury. Listening to pfitzinger podcast he recommends recovery from a hard session the next day and not pushing it?

    Apologies for derailing, but is that the marathontalk ep or does he have his own?


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    average_runner
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    Lazare wrote: »
    Apologies for derailing, but is that the marathontalk ep or does he have his own?

    It was an old mt


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    28064212
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Doez that not increase the chance of injury. Listening to pfitzinger podcast he recommends recovery from a hard session the next day and not pushing it?
    But looking at the P&D plans (55-70, 70-85), most of the weeks involve a session on Tuesday, followed by a medium-long steady run on Wednesday e.g. 5x600m at VO2 max on Tuesday, followed by 23k on Wednesday. That seems to mesh fairly well with a club Tuesday session.

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    RayCun
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Doez that not increase the chance of injury. Listening to pfitzinger podcast he recommends recovery from a hard session the next day and not pushing it?

    7-9 miles at a pace as easy as you like is not pushing it
    (Depending on the rest of your week, of course)


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