US Death penalty

mad m · 19-01-2019 11:09PM

A mate of mine is an electrician, used to service the electric chair. Said it was a death trap. :rolleyes:

Capt'n Midnight · 19-01-2019 11:14PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Bullet to the back of the head like in China or the Soviet union back in the day, electric chair or lethal injection is barbaric

And then ...

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/AguirreTheWrathOfGod

Anyone who even thinks of deserting this mission will be hacked into 198 pieces. Those pieces will be trampled until what is left can be used only to paint walls.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 19-01-2019 11:15PM

Chair got banned out of Florida in 2000. Murderer Alan Davis suffered something fierce on the night of his execution. The chair malfunctioned repeatedly .

Staff members were prosecuted after it, Cruel and Unusual Punishment.

Capt'n Midnight · 19-01-2019 11:16PM

mad m wrote: »

A mate of mine is an electrician, used to service the electric chair. Said it was a death trap. :rolleyes:

Not true.

I heard the manufacturers were so proud of it that it came with a lifetime guarantee.

RiderOnTheStorm · 19-01-2019 11:17PM

Surprised the guillotine has not been mentioned. The time it takes to cut the neck (its not a chop as the blade is angled) is less than a second. The drop of the blade takes longer. Severing the spinal cord means guaranteed no pain or lingering death. There are stories however of severed heads with blinking eyes and mouths moving. But with no body attached, there cant be transmission of nerve impulses.

SlowBlowin · 19-01-2019 11:18PM

I was very pro death penalty when I was a kid (mid 50s now). I remember arguing with people who were against the death penalty

In 2006 my 72 year old dad was murdered by a 27 year old Estonian woman (his new wife).

In the weeks following the murder, I was capable of revenge and very cold, but things changed after the trial (she was sentenced to life released last year and deported from the UK). Over the years my view has totally changed, I realised that my feelings were now, IMO, no one has the right to take a life as my fathers had been taken.

I posted this as I was so surprised by this turnaround, being a victim can change your feelings 180 degrees. I am not getting into a debate about what is right or wrong as I have been on both sides of the fence so either way I would be being a hypocrite.

SB

Stovepipe · 19-01-2019 11:19PM

The Russian execution by shooting involved firing a single 7.62mm bullet into the back of the skull. The bullet immediately destroys the central cortex of the brain and is not heavy enough to penetrate the skull to exit so it does massive damage to the brain, resulting in immediate death. No possibility of lingering on............... In British type hanging, the leather washer on the rope is placed under an ear so that it shears the spine sideways, resulting in immediate spinal cord rupture as well as immediate suffocation. The person being executed is weighed ahead of time and the length of rope calculated so that death by severance of the spinal cord kills them and not slow strangulation. Usually, the deceased is suspended for about 20 minutes before being taken down and then examined by a doctor and declared dead.......in firing squad shooting, provided the shooters hit the heart as planned, death is as good as instant, because of the heart being pulverised by being hit by military grade rifle bullets...grim, but if it's done right, death is quick and in many cases, considerably better than the horror meted out to victims.

Mad_maxx · 19-01-2019 11:25PM

tomoliver wrote: »

Electric chair is comical

It's about the last way you'd think of giving someone a humane death

Can only assume its easier to facilitate those viewing the execution, can't imagine the relatives of the convicts victim looking on during a Firing squad execution

Checkmate19 · 19-01-2019 11:27PM

My problem with the death penalty is the chance of killing an innocent person. And what i have seen and read of the american justice system that chance is high. The american justice system from what i can see is shocking. If your poor and black the cards are stacked against you. You'll end up with an overwork underpaid rep. Your up against it unless you can afford your own council. So no i don't agree with the death penalty. Mistakes will happen and in the us they happen to often.

tomoliver · 19-01-2019 11:31PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Can only assume its easier to facilitate those viewing the execution, can't imagine the relatives of the convicts victim looking on during a Firing squad execution

Lol , that must be what it is

It's the spectacle, never thought of that

DEFTLEFTHAND · 19-01-2019 11:49PM

Timothy Evans was an innocent man who hanged in Britain.

He was wrongfully convicted of the murder of his baby daughter.

Years later in a follow up investigation a man who was renting a room from him admitted to the murder.

The Evans case sowed the seeds for the abolition of the DP in Britain.

Checkmate19 · 19-01-2019 11:52PM

The Evans case has probably happened thousands of times in the us. That's why i don't agree with the death penalty. I think life without parole is a harsher sentence anyway for murder and other serious offence's.

SlowBlowin · 19-01-2019 11:59PM

Checkmate19 wrote: »

The Evans case has probably happened thousands of times in the us. That's why i don't agree with the death penalty. I think life without parole is a harsher sentence anyway for murder and other serious offence's.

I agree.

Before the question of the death penalty the debate on the parole thing should be at the forefront.

Why do they call it a "Life sentence" when, in my experience, its 12 years ???

Life should mean life, otherwise it just gives a false sense of justice.

SB

Gael23 · 20-01-2019 12:04AM

Checkmate19 wrote: »

The Evans case has probably happened thousands of times in the us. That's why i don't agree with the death penalty. I think life without parole is a harsher sentence anyway for murder and other serious offence's.

Your right but why keep housing and feeding a prisoner who will never see the light of day again? Better to give a death sentence and free up a cell

Checkmate19 · 20-01-2019 12:04AM

The sentence's in the uk as here in ireland for murder and other serious offences are in general a joke. Murder should carry a mandatory life sentence as should other really serious offences. I don't like the us justice system but i do like the harsh sentences for serious crime. If your a victim of a serious crime (say someone you know murdered) must be galling to see someone free in 15 years. It's happened where a murderer has been set free and murdered again. Imagine the victim's family friends finding that out. Just not right.

Wibbs · 20-01-2019 12:11AM

the_syco wrote: »

After being beheaded, people have still responded to their name being called...

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

There are stories however of severed heads with blinking eyes and mouths moving.

While reports of facial twitching have been reported, most likely down to nerve spasms, the story about the response to their name being called comes from one "report" of a doctor in the late 19th century that allegedly conducted this "experiment". Problem being that the particular execution was public and no witnesses mention this guy and the photos don't show him. Never mind that in his story the severed head conveniently lands on the stump, whereby he is able to observe and say his name. Not possible with a guillotine execution by this time(and would have been difficult at any time). The deep basket that received the head was attached to the main frame of the device(as was the box for the body, both full of straw) so couldn't have landed the way he describes. Chances are high that the massive and sudden trauma to the neck and head and the near instant drop in blood pressure renders the brain unconscious, or damn close to it and all the lights out within seconds. The story is much more likely down to an invention of a penny dreadful type writer wanting a ghoulish twist, which was popular at the time(grandpa Simpson's voice). That said we can't know if it was "instant" in all cases. Some may have felt their head drop into the basket anyway.

Spannerplank · 20-01-2019 12:13AM

Feisar wrote: »

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Thank you for the ciiche,
The crap you're thinking
Thanks for all
You're clever inklings

SlowBlowin · 20-01-2019 12:16AM

Checkmate19 wrote: »

The sentence's in the uk as here in ireland for murder and other serious offences are in general a joke. Murder should carry a mandatory life sentence as should other really serious offences. I don't like the us justice system but i do like the harsh sentences for serious crime. If your a victim of a serious crime (say someone you know murdered) must be galling to see someone free in 15 years. It's happened where a murderer has been set free and murdered again. Imagine the victim's family friends finding that out. Just not right.

I agree, I am sure it's just politics and cost saving.

Something I did not expect though was that before my dads murderer was released we were contacted and asked what the families view was on the release, did we think she should be deported or stay a UK resident. We let them, know our feeling and she was deported. Only a small thing, but it did help knowing she was not going to get a cushy ride in the UK and had to start over again.

SB

mynamejeff · 20-01-2019 12:21AM

only sure fire way of preventing re offending isnt it . and some people are just bad

there are many people in the world who should be removed from it for the safety of every one else

doesn't really matter how long as its not cruel for cruelty's sake

Checkmate19 · 20-01-2019 12:29AM

If you could 100% prove that the offender committed the offence i would agree with the death penalty. As you can't i don't agree with the death penalty. Mistakes miscarriages of justice happen and there is no way of taking them back with the death penalty. Everyone would love to think that a justice system gets it right all the time. But if you look at the us justice system is a broken system where wealth helps and your colour helps.

Capt'n Midnight · 20-01-2019 12:39AM

Checkmate19 wrote: »

My problem with the death penalty is the chance of killing an innocent person. And what i have seen and read of the american justice system that chance is high. The american justice system from what i can see is shocking. If your poor and black the cards are stacked against you. You'll end up with an overwork underpaid rep. Your up against it unless you can afford your own council. So no i don't agree with the death penalty. Mistakes will happen and in the us they happen to often.

But if they removed the Death Penalty how would Republican governors get re-elected ?

Lackey · 20-01-2019 12:44AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Chair got banned out of Florida in 2000. Murderer Alan Davis suffered something fierce on the night of his execution. The chair malfunctioned repeatedly .

Staff members were prosecuted after it, Cruel and Unusual Punishment.

Alan Davis was an American mass murderer executed for the May 11, 1982, murder of Nancy Weiler, who was three months pregnant, in Jacksonville, Florida. According to reports, Nancy Weiler was "beaten almost beyond recognition" by Davis with a .357 Magnum, and hit over 25 times in the face and head.

He was also convicted of killing Nancy Weiler's two daughters, Kristina (age 10, shot twice in the face) and Katherine (age 5, shot as she was trying to run away and then skull beaten in with the gun). Davis was on parole for armed robbery at the time of the murders. He was executed on July 8, 1999.[1]

From Wikipedia....sorry but my sympathies are with his victims

Jessie Belle · 20-01-2019 12:45AM

I think death is an easy way out for them. Let life mean life as it does in the US and let them stew away. Take away their freedom and go slowly insane knowing it. Death penalty imo is only an eye for an eye. It wont bring back a loved one.

Checkmate19 · 20-01-2019 12:50AM

The death penalty doesn't act as a deterrent anyway so i don't see the point. As i said if you could guarantee 100 percent you have the right person then ok. But just look at the wrongful convictions in the usa and i just don't agree with it. At least with life without parole the person will serve life and is not a danger to the public. Also if they where convicted in the wrong then they have a chance of getting out. With the death penalty there is no way back.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-01-2019 01:00AM

19 year old Derek Bentley was another man who fell foul of the system.

He was not an angel by any means, himself and an accomplice attempted to rob a warehouse one night . Two Police Officers on patrol noticed the robbery and accosted the boys. Bentley came quitely but the other boy pulled out a gun and aimed it at the officer, the policeman demanded that he give him the gun, a cuffed Bentley said to him 'Let him have it'.

The young lad had been watching too many gangster movies and misconstrued Bentleys words. He opened fire and killed the policeman.

Because the killer was underage at 16 Bentley stood Trial for his life and was convicted and hanged under Joint Enterprise , despite mass outpourings for leancy with even the policeman 's family getting involved .

wakka12 · 20-01-2019 01:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You realise how many innocent people have been executed?

Is it better an innocent person serve a life setence?

SlowBlowin · 20-01-2019 01:37AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Is it better an innocent person serve a life setence?

Yes, so if they are still alive when the miss-justice comes to light they can be released...

SB

mynamejeff · 20-01-2019 01:40AM

Checkmate19 wrote: »

The death penalty doesn't act as a deterrent anyway so i don't see the point. As i said if you could guarantee 100 percent you have the right person then ok. But just look at the wrongful convictions in the usa and i just don't agree with it. At least with life without parole the person will serve life and is not a danger to the public. Also if they where convicted in the wrong then they have a chance of getting out. With the death penalty there is no way back.

I have yet to hear of a executed prisoner from death row committing more crimes

so it seems to work

Ash.J.Williams · 20-01-2019 01:52AM

Feisar wrote: »

Google "countries in the world with the death penalty" and look at the google images and a world map.

Says a lot.

N America sticks out a bit there!!

tuxy · 20-01-2019 02:00AM

mynamejeff wrote: »

I have yet to hear of a executed prisoner from death row committing more crimes

so it seems to work

It does nothing to lower the actual crime rate though.

If you use the death penalty as punishment it will cost much more than life in prison because of the appeal process. If you have no appeal process that means you are happy to have a very large number of innocent people put to dearth.

Life in prison(actual natural life not life sentence) stops that person re-offending and is cheaper.

It's crazy that you think we should spend more money on dealing with convicted murders and rapists than we have to.

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