Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Goldengirl · 17-01-2019 07:21PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Why should the council have checked the site?

Personal responsibility is the key. The council didn't get rid of the smoke alarm. The council didn't take their eye of a chip pan with burning oil.

No fault of the council. I have found some of the testimony and blaming of the council to be deeply disturbing. It seems some people want to profit wrongly out of the death of their relatives.

Straight away you say people want to profit wrongly out of the death of their relatives...that's the only thing you can think to say about a horrible tragedy.
It is an unbelievable horrific tragedy and hopefully lessons will be learned by more than the travelling community .

Galwayguy35 · 17-01-2019 07:22PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think taking personal responsibility went out of fashion a few years ago now!

It appears to be the case all right.

RTE news are going out of their way to mention about the council but not a peep about the guy who is responsible for what happened.

Goldengirl · 17-01-2019 07:25PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think taking personal responsibility went out of fashion a few years ago now!

Can you as a moderator take personal responsibility for the cruel and interminable traveller bashing on this site!

Goldengirl · 17-01-2019 07:27PM

tretorn wrote: »

The chip pan was placed on a hot plate and the hot plate was set at its highest setting.

I think most of the victims died in bed with one male found dead in the kitchen area.

The responsibility for the danger those children were put in was the person who turned on the hot plate and put the chip pan full of oil on top of it.

Yes, undeniably . So the council have no responsibility ?

tuxy · 17-01-2019 07:27PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Can you as a moderator take personal responsibility for the cruel and interminable traveller bashing on this site!

The bashing is worse on Youtube!

freshpopcorn · 17-01-2019 07:30PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Can you as a moderator take personal responsibility for the cruel and interminable traveller bashing on this site!

Yes they can,
Threads have being locked, deleted, users banned, giving warnings, posts edited/deleted.
However we have to leave discussion to go on!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 17-01-2019 07:32PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes, undeniably . So the council have no responsibility ?

Do you expect a council representative to be placed in each trailer and home across Ireland armed with a fire blanket and a hose?

Galwayguy35 · 17-01-2019 07:32PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Can you as a moderator take personal responsibility for the cruel and interminable traveller bashing on this site!

Some of them are fairly handy at the bashing themselves, bashing old people that is.

17-01-2019 07:33PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes, undeniably . So the council have no responsibility ?

If I have friends around at night. Drink to excess, take drugs, then in the wee small hours, put a pan of oil on the highest setting on the hob intending to make chips, leading to a fatal fire, would you still blame the council? Bear in mind that I own my house.

Roger Hassenforder · 17-01-2019 07:33PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Fair play you are consistent in your attempt to lay blame anywhere except where it belongs. 'The lad that put on the chip pan, insisted on the smoke alarm being changed, drinking to unconsciousness is responsible '. NOONE ELSE.

Is it me, or do other parents just not get stoned or pıssed when having to mind kids as well?

tretorn · 17-01-2019 07:37PM

Listening to the inquest it gets clearer and clearer why people object so strongly to travellers halting sites near them.

The information regarding the tampering with the electricity supply is chilling. There is no way the Council can police such activities, they simply dont have the staff.

tuxy · 17-01-2019 07:39PM

tretorn wrote: »

Listening to the inquest it gets clearer and clearer why people object so strongly to travellers halting sites near them.

The information regarding the tampering with the electricity supply is chilling. There is no way the Council can police such activities, they simply dont have the staff.

Can you imagine the reaction to them attempting a safety inspection. They would be chased off the site.

Goldengirl · 17-01-2019 07:39PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Fair play you are consistent in your attempt to lay blame anywhere except where it belongs. 'The lad that put on the chip pan, insisted on the smoke alarm being changed, drinking to unconsciousness is responsible '. NOONE ELSE.

And fair play you are consistent in NOT READING the post! And then taking one line out to quote. I HAVE on more than occasion said that those are to blame AS WELL as lack of adequate fire safety requirements .

Plumbthedepths · 17-01-2019 07:49PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote:

Is it me, or do other parents just not get stoned or pÄ±ssed when having to mind kids as well?

Cultural thing I guess, according to some the council should provide babysitting ( apparently adult sitting) services as a key service along with detailed instructions how to use a fire extinguisher and the dangers of chip pans.

DavidLyons_ · 17-01-2019 07:51PM

tuxy wrote: »

Goldengirl wrote: »

Can you as a moderator take personal responsibility for the cruel and interminable traveller bashing on this site!

The bashing is worse on Youtube!

Deary fcuking me. Absolute low life scum.

Why is it that there always has to be disgusting nakedness in these animal’s videos?

Pure dregs of society.

Ray Palmer · 17-01-2019 07:54PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

He's ducked several questions

*would he rent to a traveller? (sidestepped neatly)
* what services would he cut funding to? (as punishment for Councils not spending 'traveller money' he seems to think is is a drawer in the local town hall).

I dont think he's up yet. Or he's too busy touring his property portfolio and counting his cash.
But the "I earn more than you" stuff is pure gold. Bless his little cotton socks.

No I have nothing suitable and that is the reason. I rented to drug addicts getting clean in the past
All council funding
Was at work
People were going on about how they didn't like "their" taxes being paid and I pointed out I pay more than they do. If you think me mentioning tax is any different from people pointing out they got a job and bought their own house then you just are blind to hypocrites.

Lots of people avoided questions like you. What level of racist are you so?

Goldengirl · 17-01-2019 07:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If I have friends around at night. Drink to excess, take drugs, then in the wee small hours, put a pan of oil on the highest setting on the hob intending to make chips, leading to a fatal fire, would you still blame the council? Bear in mind that I own my house.

Yes, If you live in a council house that doesn't for some reason have regard for fire safety regulations, which all habitable accommodation, under building regulations have to have installed and built in, and not just in recent years either, but especially enacted by law since 2014 ?
Yes , the council are responsible for enforcement . You as the owner of your own home have responsibility as it is your own home.
These people were living in portacabins placed cheek by jowl on an emergency council site ( and it was a long time an emergency site ).
Were the people in Grenfell responsible for the cxxp apartments built for them?
Do you think the individuals whose kitchen fire started the Grenfell fire are the only ones responsible for the deaths of all those people? Would you blame them too?

Many people are responsible, some of whom are paid to be accountable.

Goldengirl · 17-01-2019 08:04PM

tuxy wrote: »

Can you imagine the reaction to them attempting a safety inspection. They would be chased off the site.

Again they have a legal responsibility to do so, but yes they probably don't have the staff.

freshpopcorn · 17-01-2019 08:05PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

If you live in a council house that doesn't for some reason have regard for fire safety regulations, which all habitable accommodation, under building regulations have to have installed and built in, and not just in recent years either, but especially enacted by law since 2014 ? Yes , the council are responsible for enforcement .
You as the owner of your own home have responsibility as it us your own home. These people were living in portacabins supplied to them and placed cheek by jowl.
Were the people in Grenfell responsible for the cxxp apartments built for them?
Do you think the individuals whose kitchen fire started the Grenfell fire are the only ones responsible for the deaths of all those people? Would you blame them too?

Many people are responsible, some of whom are paid to be accountable.

I know if I lived in a unsuitable council house/residence/rented house. I wouldn't continue to add to my family. I wouldn't invite visitors to my house to spend the night and I'd be very cautious about drinking alcohol around children. I'd also never light a chip pan especially if I had consumed alcohol.

Plumbthedepths · 17-01-2019 08:07PM

freshpopcorn wrote:

I know if I lived in a unsuitable council house/residence/rented house. I wouldn't continue to add to my family. I wouldn't invite visitors to my house to spend the night and I'd be very cautious about drinking alcohol around children. I'd also never light a chip pan especially if I had consumed alcohol.

You probably wouldn't smoke weed either......

kowloon · 17-01-2019 08:08PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Loud noises :mad: :mad: :mad:

You make a good point.

Goldengirl · 17-01-2019 08:08PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Cultural thing I guess, according to some the council should provide babysitting ( apparently adult sitting) services as a key service along with detailed instructions how to use a fire extinguisher and the dangers of chip pans.

Actually, yes , there should be detailed instructions on all fire safety equipment , especially fire safety on particularly vulnerable areas . That's the fxxxin point!
Other councils refuse to allow families with children in emergency sites, whether they get abuse for it or not .

Goldengirl · 17-01-2019 08:10PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I know if I lived in a unsuitable council house/residence/rented house. I wouldn't continue to add to my family. I wouldn't invite visitors to my house to spend the night and I'd be very cautious about drinking alcohol around children. I'd also never light a chip pan especially if I had consumed alcohol.

Well good for you , I am glad to hear it !

Plumbthedepths · 17-01-2019 08:11PM

Goldengirl wrote:

Actually, yes , there should be detailed instructions on all fire safety equipment , especially fire safety on particularly vulnerable areas . That's the fxxxin point! Other councils refuse to allow families with children in emergency sites, whether they get abuse for it or not .

Actually there is, have a look at a fire extinguisher, fire blanket. Not just text but visual aids how to use device.
Still trying to blame the council I see. Any thoughts on the actions of the individual that caused the fire?

tuxy · 17-01-2019 08:17PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Again they have a legal responsibility to do so, but yes they probably don't have the staff.

They don't have the riot gear either.
No chance of doing onsite inspections when there is ongoing illegal actively.

Ruraldweller56 · 17-01-2019 08:22PM

kowloon wrote: »

You make a good point.

Why yes, yes I do.

kowloon · 17-01-2019 08:29PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Why yes, yes I do.

I killed a man with a trident.

strandroad · 17-01-2019 08:33PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Actually, yes , there should be detailed instructions on all fire safety equipment , especially fire safety on particularly vulnerable areas . That's the fxxxin point!
Other councils refuse to allow families with children in emergency sites, whether they get abuse for it or not .

Have you ever seen a fire extinguisher? There's an illustrated step by step instruction sticker on it.

Ruraldweller56 · 17-01-2019 08:35PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

No I have nothing suitable and that is the reason. I rented to drug addicts getting clean in the past
All council funding
Was at work
People were going on about how they didn't like "their" taxes being paid and I pointed out I pay more than they do. If you think me mentioning tax is any different from people pointing out they got a job and bought their own house then you just are blind to hypocrites.

Lots of people avoided questions like you. What level of racist are you so?

Yes, good man Ray. That's the first thing you've posted on here I'll agree with you on. I distinctly remember you asking Roger if he had kids and him dodging the question like a slippery eel.

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I have rented to people on social welfare payments and taken rent allowance. My properties are all above the limits so no longer do.

You called me a liberal and are just wrong and have failed to understand a word I said.

I can assure the way you speak I am fully aware you don't earn more than me. I pay a lot of taxes as a landlord and am not so protective about being proud of buying my own house as some massive achievement to lord over people like you have.

Have you got kids?

We don't call him Roger Roger question dodger around these parts for nothing you know.

What other gems did you have 'dodged' yesterday? Something about tribes in the forest and asylum seekers wasn't it?

Well done for paying more taxes than us all too btw. You probably just use a sh!t accountant more than anything else I'd say though.

Plumbthedepths · 17-01-2019 08:35PM

strandroad wrote:

Have you ever seen a fire extinguisher? There's an illustrated step by step instruction sticker on it.

Sssh...it's the council's fault there was no council worker on watch with an extinguisher incase the lads got p*ssed and whacked out of their minds on weed .

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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