blanch152 wrote: » Why should the council have checked the site? Personal responsibility is the key. The council didn't get rid of the smoke alarm. The council didn't take their eye of a chip pan with burning oil. No fault of the council. I have found some of the testimony and blaming of the council to be deeply disturbing. It seems some people want to profit wrongly out of the death of their relatives.
freshpopcorn wrote: » I think taking personal responsibility went out of fashion a few years ago now!
tretorn wrote: » The chip pan was placed on a hot plate and the hot plate was set at its highest setting. I think most of the victims died in bed with one male found dead in the kitchen area. The responsibility for the danger those children were put in was the person who turned on the hot plate and put the chip pan full of oil on top of it.
Goldengirl wrote: » Can you as a moderator take personal responsibility for the cruel and interminable traveller bashing on this site!
Goldengirl wrote: » Yes, undeniably . So the council have no responsibility ?
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Fair play you are consistent in your attempt to lay blame anywhere except where it belongs. 'The lad that put on the chip pan, insisted on the smoke alarm being changed, drinking to unconsciousness is responsible '. NOONE ELSE.
tretorn wrote: » Listening to the inquest it gets clearer and clearer why people object so strongly to travellers halting sites near them. The information regarding the tampering with the electricity supply is chilling. There is no way the Council can police such activities, they simply dont have the staff.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: Is it me, or do other parents just not get stoned or pıssed when having to mind kids as well?
tuxy wrote: » Goldengirl wrote: » Can you as a moderator take personal responsibility for the cruel and interminable traveller bashing on this site! The bashing is worse on Youtube!
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » He's ducked several questions *would he rent to a traveller? (sidestepped neatly) * what services would he cut funding to? (as punishment for Councils not spending 'traveller money' he seems to think is is a drawer in the local town hall). I dont think he's up yet. Or he's too busy touring his property portfolio and counting his cash. But the "I earn more than you" stuff is pure gold. Bless his little cotton socks.
[Deleted User] wrote: » If I have friends around at night. Drink to excess, take drugs, then in the wee small hours, put a pan of oil on the highest setting on the hob intending to make chips, leading to a fatal fire, would you still blame the council? Bear in mind that I own my house.
tuxy wrote: » Can you imagine the reaction to them attempting a safety inspection. They would be chased off the site.
Goldengirl wrote: » If you live in a council house that doesn't for some reason have regard for fire safety regulations, which all habitable accommodation, under building regulations have to have installed and built in, and not just in recent years either, but especially enacted by law since 2014 ? Yes , the council are responsible for enforcement . You as the owner of your own home have responsibility as it us your own home. These people were living in portacabins supplied to them and placed cheek by jowl. Were the people in Grenfell responsible for the cxxp apartments built for them? Do you think the individuals whose kitchen fire started the Grenfell fire are the only ones responsible for the deaths of all those people? Would you blame them too? Many people are responsible, some of whom are paid to be accountable.
freshpopcorn wrote: I know if I lived in a unsuitable council house/residence/rented house. I wouldn't continue to add to my family. I wouldn't invite visitors to my house to spend the night and I'd be very cautious about drinking alcohol around children. I'd also never light a chip pan especially if I had consumed alcohol.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Loud noises :mad: :mad: :mad:
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Cultural thing I guess, according to some the council should provide babysitting ( apparently adult sitting) services as a key service along with detailed instructions how to use a fire extinguisher and the dangers of chip pans.
freshpopcorn wrote: » I know if I lived in a unsuitable council house/residence/rented house. I wouldn't continue to add to my family. I wouldn't invite visitors to my house to spend the night and I'd be very cautious about drinking alcohol around children. I'd also never light a chip pan especially if I had consumed alcohol.
Goldengirl wrote: Actually, yes , there should be detailed instructions on all fire safety equipment , especially fire safety on particularly vulnerable areas . That's the fxxxin point! Other councils refuse to allow families with children in emergency sites, whether they get abuse for it or not .
Goldengirl wrote: » Again they have a legal responsibility to do so, but yes they probably don't have the staff.
kowloon wrote: » You make a good point.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Why yes, yes I do.
Goldengirl wrote: » Actually, yes , there should be detailed instructions on all fire safety equipment , especially fire safety on particularly vulnerable areas . That's the fxxxin point! Other councils refuse to allow families with children in emergency sites, whether they get abuse for it or not .
Ray Palmer wrote: » No I have nothing suitable and that is the reason. I rented to drug addicts getting clean in the past All council funding Was at work People were going on about how they didn't like "their" taxes being paid and I pointed out I pay more than they do. If you think me mentioning tax is any different from people pointing out they got a job and bought their own house then you just are blind to hypocrites.Lots of people avoided questions like you. What level of racist are you so?
Ray Palmer wrote: » I have rented to people on social welfare payments and taken rent allowance. My properties are all above the limits so no longer do. You called me a liberal and are just wrong and have failed to understand a word I said. I can assure the way you speak I am fully aware you don't earn more than me. I pay a lot of taxes as a landlord and am not so protective about being proud of buying my own house as some massive achievement to lord over people like you have.Have you got kids?
strandroad wrote: Have you ever seen a fire extinguisher? There's an illustrated step by step instruction sticker on it.
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