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Gillette | Toxic masculinity advert.

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    #872
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,664 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    As professore said earlier, we have thick skins. I'm worried about the next generation of lads growing up being told "you're most likely a bad person even if you think you're not. Be ashamed."

    Would you be saying "get thicker skin" to women, black people or gay people who had spent their lives seeing hate speech against their kind accepted and normalised in mainstream society, back when that was still socially acceptable?

    "you're most likely a bad person even if you think you're not. Be ashamed." - I don't get that from that advert at all.


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    #873
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    maccored wrote: »
    "you're most likely a bad person even if you think you're not. Be ashamed." - I don't get that from that advert at all.

    Ok let me put this another way. If one believes the vast majority of men to be good people already, then why would they need to be told to be good people?


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    #874
    PhiloCypher
    Registered Users Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    Had a chortle at this

    DxBZG6FWkAANiTX.jpg:small


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    #875
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Aye, I must admit - unsurprising, and at this point almost boring misandrist narratives aside - I'm enjoying all the funny pictures (memes?) being created :D


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    #876
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Ok let me put this another way. If one believes the vast majority of men to be good people already, then why would they need to be told to be good people?

    How about if all men were fundamentally toxic and ****s why would anyone bother asking them to call out bad behaviour. Sure, presumably they all, being completely lost in toxicity would be so evil, what would be the point. Game already over.

    But no one is saying that and the ad just isn't either. The message is imo that it's because you are good that we have faith in your sense of fair play & disgust of bad behaviour and that you should be proud to portray your decency rather that letting a few little ****s swagger around getting the message they have free rein.


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    #877
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Imagine if Discover Island brought out an ad specifically addressing travellers. Proceeding to lecture them on cleanliness of their temporary dwellings while telling them to get their sh*t in order, to get a job and pay taxes, contribute to the system in which they take from that Irish society seem to subsidise. Continuing on to denigrate their group in how they raise their children, instructing that they complete second level education. Telling the travelling community that they must have respect and show civility for the public when outside of their community.


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    #878
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    How about if all men were fundamentally toxic and ****s why would anyone bother asking them to call out bad behaviour. Sure, presumably they all, being completely lost in toxicity would be so evil, what would be the point. Game already over.

    But no one is saying that and the ad just isn't either. The message is imo that it's because you are good that we have faith in your sense of fair play & disgust of bad behaviour and that you should be proud to portray your decency rather that letting a few little ****s swagger around getting the message they have free rein.

    If they believe that I'm already good, they shouldn't believe I need to be condescendingly told to act like it. If they believe that anything like a majority of men need to be told to do the right thing, then fundamentally they don't believe we're good people to begin with unless we're "prodded" in the right direction.

    It's as offensive as the "teach boys not to rape" crap. It implies that our default position or behaviour is a negative one unless we're actively "steered straight".

    Nobody ever makes such claims about women, certainly not in the mainstream. Hence the outrage over double standards.


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    #879
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    If they believe that I'm already good, they shouldn't believe I need to be condescendingly told to act like it. If they believe that anything like a majority of men need to be told to do the right thing, then fundamentally they don't believe we're good people to begin with unless we're "prodded" in the right direction.

    It's as offensive as the "teach boys not to rape" crap. It implies that our default position or behaviour is a negative one unless we're actively "steered straight".

    Nobody ever makes such claims about women, certainly not in the mainstream. Hence the outrage over double standards.

    You're wasting your time!


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    #880
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Am I a wrong in the only issue I have is them breaking up the lads fighting?


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    #881
    Augme
    Registered Users Posts: 5,312 ✭✭✭Augme


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Imagine if Discover Island brought out an ad specifically addressing travellers. Proceeding to lecture them on cleanliness of their temporary dwellings while telling them to get their sh*t in order, to get a job and pay taxes, contribute to the system in which they take from that Irish society seem to subsidise. Continuing on to denigrate their group in how they raise their children, instructing that they complete second level education. Telling the travelling community that they must have respect and show civility for the public when outside of their community.


    Ironically most of the people who seem to hate the gilette ad would love that.


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    #882
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,338 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Am I a wrong in the only issue I have is them breaking up the lads fighting?

    Lots of people have various issues with the ad.
    A few peiole are extreme and some people have the odd little thing they dislike about it and some question would Gillette do a similar ad for women.
    Take for instance I'd never pull back a person from approaching somebody on the street. I think that's over the top. If they were pestering somebody then I'd say leave them alone.
    My only issue really is people saying oh you can't be offended or discuss the ad or of you question it you have major issues with it. I love discussion on lots of topics and think its important.


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    #883
    lertsnim
    Registered Users Posts: 9,728 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    Augme wrote: »
    Ironically most of the people who seem to hate the gilette ad would love that.

    Most men hate travellers too? What else?


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    #884
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    lertsnim wrote: »
    Most men hate travellers too? What else?

    Do most met hate travellers? Maybe on boards


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    #885
    lertsnim
    Registered Users Posts: 9,728 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Do most met hate travellers? Maybe on boards

    I didn't make the claim so no point asking me.


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    #886
    up for anything
    Registered Users Posts: 5,776 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Cockford Ollie wrote: »
    Why is there a narrative in the first place that thinks men need to be told to do better?


    You really have to ask that question? :D:D:D


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    #887
    Augme
    Registered Users Posts: 5,312 ✭✭✭Augme


    lertsnim wrote: »
    Most men hate travellers too? What else?

    Glad to know you've taken a poll form every man on what they think about the gilette ad. Well done.


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    #888
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    It's good thing ads like that weren't released just before D-Day or the whole bloody thing might well have been called off!


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    #889
    An_Toirpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭An_Toirpin


    Augme wrote: »
    Ironically most of the people who seem to hate the gilette ad would love that.
    That is pure prejudice.


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    #890
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Could one not say the ad is a version of the old Edmund Burke quote - "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

    Indeed. It's almost as if the advert is appealing to classic christian/western virtues such as justice, temperance and prudence.

    I mean, aren't reactionaries forever bemoaning the erosion of western values/virtues by the cultural-Marxists? And along comes Gillette to save the day and, nope, a massive hissy fit is the result!

    Ya. Just. Can't. Win.


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    #891
    An_Toirpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭An_Toirpin


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Indeed. It's almost as if the advert is appealing to classic christian/western virtues such as justice, temperance and prudence.

    I mean, aren't reactionaries forever bemoaning the erosion of western values/virtues by the cultural-Marxists? And along comes Gillette to save the day and, nope, a massive hissy fit is the result!

    Ya. Just. Can't. Win.


    Guilt by genitals.



    There is no epidemic of men not intervening.


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    #892
    Cartroubles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Cartroubles


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Indeed. It's almost as if the advert is appealing to classic christian/western virtues such as justice, temperance and prudence.

    I mean, aren't reactionaries forever bemoaning the erosion of western values/virtues by the cultural-Marxists? And along comes Gillette to save the day and, nope, a massive hissy fit is the result!

    Ya. Just. Can't. Win.
    Remember that time you said the Tinder serial sex pest was innocent but then it turned out he really wasn't at all?


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    #893
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Gillette doesn’t seem to be for the sensitive skinned after all.

    Ba da dum. Tish.

    WAH wah.


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    #894
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,354 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think the advert is like an unintentional comedy sketch, made by a think tank.
    It seems very false and forced.
    More shocking to me is the extortionate price of Gillette products disposable razors etc.
    Rip offs.
    I have not used one of them in years

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #895
    Muckka
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Muckka


    Ironically some old Welsh gardener told me Gillette razor blades are made from melted down steel part's from British Nuclear submarines and warships....

    He said he'd never go near them ;)


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    #896
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,317 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    That ad makes we want to slit my wrists with some really sharp blades.


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    #897
    citytillidie
    Registered Users Posts: 22,040 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Also using some extremist Americans on he video seems to have not gone down well. The young Turks

    ******



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    #898
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Augme wrote: »
    Ironically most of the people who seem to hate the gilette ad would love that.


    Ironically most of the people who seem to accept the gillette ad would be the ones outraged by that hypothetical example .


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    #899
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    citytillidie wrote: »
    Also using some extremist Americans on he video seems to have not gone down well. The young Turks
    The Armenians won't be happy.


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    #900
    aaronjumper
    Registered Users Posts: 14,128 ✭✭✭✭aaronjumper


    Just under two minutes long and not one fecker anywhere shown shaving.


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    #901
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,354 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    aaronjumper wrote: »
    Just under two minutes long and not one fecker anywhere shown shaving.

    It is almost like one of those exotic perfume ads.
    If you did not know what the product was for you would have no notion what was going on in it.
    Very obscure stuff.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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