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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    It isn't even a month old

    I watched it on the night it aired. It still isn't a rounded documentary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    If that's a "rounded documentary" i'd hate to see one that isn't


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I watched it on the night it aired. It still isn't a rounded documentary.

    They talked to both sides fairly equally and let people reply. Just because you don't agree with what is being said doesn't make it unbalanced.

    Do you think councils should be refusing to spend money they actually have to spend on services they have to provide? Does it matter what it is for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    BattleCorp wrote: »


    Not exactly a stellar example of a positive story.

    How about this for a positive story, a 14 year old saving the life of his 4 year old nephew -


    'A 14-year-old boy bravely climbed into a burning portable cabin to rescue his four-year-old nephew from an horrific fire that claimed 10 lives.

    Little Tom Connors was the only survivor of the Carrickmines halting site tragedy.

    His teenage uncle John Keith Connors told how he pulled Tom out of the smoke-filled cabin barely alive. "I had Tom in my arms. He was trying to breathe. He was making choking noises," he said.

    John Keith had climbed into the cabin through a smashed bedroom window but was unable to see due to the thick black smoke. Three times he had to go back to the window to gulp a breath before returning inside.

    "There was that much smoke I couldn't open my eyes. I felt around the bed but there wasn't anybody on the bed," he said. "When I started feeling on the ground, I felt my brother and I tried to lift him and I couldn't lift him. I lost any breath I had."

    He also felt the body of his sister-in-law Sylvia (30). He tried to lift her too, but was unable to.

    John Keith told Dublin Coroner's Court that his father handed him a fire extinguisher to tackle the blaze, but when he pressed the button he couldn't get it to work.

    "My father was saying 'come out'. I knew I couldn't go back in again," he said.'


    Of course all the little hitlers on here use the fire as an excuse for more abuse, absolutely disgusting people you are.

    You obviously had terrible parents if they raised you to have no respect or compassion for other people.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/player/movie/rt%C3%A9-investigates--travellers-lives-on-the-fringes/87082536278

    Worth watching to see a rounded view and it does acknowledge issues mentioned here

    I watched that when it was on. Absolutely crap. Not one difficult question asked, of which there should have been many.

    What I found the most bizarre was where the crowd in Sligo wouldn't move into a halting site because of a feud with the other travellers living there.

    And yet, as settled folk who lead a culturally very different lifestyle are supposed to have no problem whatsoever with these people rocking up next to us.

    That RTÉ left them off so lightly was a disgrace.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    If that's a "rounded documentary" i'd hate to see one that isn't

    Care to elaborate what you found so unbalanced?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    They talked to both sides fairly equally and let people reply. Just because you don't agree with what is being said doesn't make it unbalanced.

    Do you think councils should be refusing to spend money they actually have to spend on services they have to provide? Does it matter what it is for?

    Its not about whether I agree or not. Its about a lack of proper questioning into what's really going on there. It was typical RTE in many ways.

    I think councils should spend everything they get, as long as its needed. In fact, I was under the impression they had to spend their budget by a certain deadline or have their budget cut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I watched that when it was on. Absolutely crap. Not one difficult question asked, of which there should have been many.

    What I found the most bizarre was where the crowd in Sligo wouldn't move into a halting site because of a feud with the other travellers living there.

    And yet, as settled folk who lead a culturally very different lifestyle are supposed to have no problem whatsoever with these people rocking up next to us.

    That RTÉ left them off so lightly was a disgrace.

    Would you move in beside somebody who was fighting with your entire family?

    What questions did you want asked?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Its not about whether I agree or not. Its about a lack of proper questioning into what's really going on there. It was typical RTE in many ways.

    I think councils should spend everything they get, as long as its needed. In fact, I was under the impression they had to spend their budget by a certain deadline or have their budget cut.

    You don't recall the show correctly. The budget was not spent.

    What questions did you want asked?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    They talked to both sides fairly equally and let people reply. Just because you don't agree with what is being said doesn't make it unbalanced.

    Do you think councils should be refusing to spend money they actually have to spend on services they have to provide? Does it matter what it is for?

    At the time I asked why such a fund should even exist in the first place. Me and my wife scrimped and saved for a deposit for our house and now have a 20 year mortgage we'll have to work for to pay back.

    Why won't the gubbernererment pay for my house? If I come in pi$$ed for the pub and am under the influence of illegal substances and cause a chip pan fire is it the gubbernererments fault?

    So many questions. So few answers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    You don't recall the show correctly. The budget was not spent.

    What questions did you want asked?

    I never said the budget was spent. I said:
    "I was under the impression they had to spend their budget by a certain deadline or have their budget cut."

    You've asked that to anyone disagreeing with you so I'll let someone with a better memory delve in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    At the time I asked why such a fund should even exist in the first place. Me and my wife scrimped and saved for a deposit for our house and now have a 20 year mortgage we'll have to work for to pay back.

    Why won't the gubbernererment pay for my house? If I come in pi$$ed for the pub and am under the influence of illegal substances and cause a chip pan fire is it the gubbernererments fault?

    So many questions. So few answers.

    It doesn't matter what you think about the fund. It exists and they are meant to provide a service. That is the question not if you think the fund should exist. It is part of are membership of the EU to do so along with are own long standing policies. You do get the British said the same about all Irish and actively tried to destroy our culture. You think your attitude is any different?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Would you move in beside somebody who was fighting with your entire family?

    Just to address this point, this is a huge problem when housing travellers anywhere, the same problem had those people who died in Carrickmines where they were, another family had to move off Labre Park recently and it’s a huge issue.

    The HSE actually set up field triage in Rathkeale for the Christmas period – how f-ed up is that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I never said the budget was spent. I said:
    "I was under the impression they had to spend their budget by a certain deadline or have their budget cut."

    You've asked that to anyone disagreeing with you so I'll let someone with a better memory delve in.

    You said they didn't ask questions? What questions do you want answered? If you can't remember sounds like you really had an open mind while watching:rolleyes:

    They budget wasn't used for 10 years in one case, not a deadline issue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Would you move in beside somebody who was fighting with your entire family?

    Would you move in beside a halting site?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    You said they didn't ask questions? What questions do you want answered? If you can't remember sounds like you really had an open mind while watching:rolleyes:

    No correlation, makes no sense. At least try a bit harder when you're trying to annoy people Ray.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Oh dear me this thread is been totally pulled off track.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Would you move in beside somebody who was fighting with your entire family?

    What questions did you want asked?

    No. I didn't. I used my money that I earned myself and paid taxes on to buy the house I want.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭xi5yvm0owc1s2b


    Of course all the little hitlers on here use the fire as an excuse for more abuse, absolutely disgusting people you are.

    You obviously had terrible parents if they raised you to have no respect or compassion for other people.

    What on earth are you on about?

    As many legitimate issues as there are with Travellers in Irish society, I don't take pleasure in the thought of anyone dying in a fire, and I'm sure the vast majority of other posters feel similarly.

    However, I will note that Margaret Cash has been known to post on Facebook hoping that Leo Varadkar dies a painful death. Are you going to criticize her for her lack of respect and compassion?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic



    You obviously had terrible parents if they raised you to have no respect or compassion for other people.

    Like travelers?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    They don't make Travelers like they use to:

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭xi5yvm0owc1s2b


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    And it's a massive essay about how Travellers are discriminated against and settled people are to blame for all their problems :rolleyes:

    I'm sure Dr. Joyce will have a job at Pavee Point in no time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    It doesn't matter what you think about the fund. It exists and they are meant to provide a service. That is the question not if you think the fund should exist. It is part of are membership of the EU to do so along with are own long standing policies. You do get the British said the same about all Irish and actively tried to destroy our culture. You think your attitude is any different?

    More tripe.

    I don't care about their culture. What even is their 'culture'? We've already established that the seasonal farm work and hammering pots and pans is a thing of the past. Can they speak their own language anymore is there anything at all left.

    All that aside. They can do what they like as far as I'm concerned. I just don't see why I should have to pay for it. I've done it my whole life (and will until the day I die) and get nothing only grief in return.

    As for me being the same as the British I'll refer you to my previous point. I'm not trying to destroy anything. I'm actually all for them travelling the countryside, minding horses and nana instead of going to school getting an education and spending their lives in a 9-5 cubicle.

    Who's going to pay for it though Ray?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    They talked to both sides fairly equally and let people reply. Just because you don't agree with what is being said doesn't make it unbalanced.

    Do you think councils should be refusing to spend money they actually have to spend on services they have to provide? Does it matter what it is for?

    The Council arent refusing to spend money.

    The problem is no one wants travellers in their locality and its impossible for councils to progress plans for halting sites.

    Its a waste of time anyway. These people are generally of low iQ and constantly getting into fueds with each other over nothing. One party to the fued will then upsticks and move to the side of the road and then contact the meeja saying they are homeless and the council wont do anything for them.

    We are having this conversation since 1960 and travellers havent improved their lot at all. Most of the problems they have are self inflicted, how many of us could afford to take our families to Lanzarote at Christmas time or fly to Australia and New Zealand for holidays. I dont know why these people even left Rathkeale, the holidays seemed to consist of shoplifting, drinking, littering beaches, annoying and intimidating other people, basically everything these scrotes do at home. seriously, whats to be gained by travelling except too show the world what the Irish taxpayer is funding and putting up with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Did this Joyce woman appear on one of the televised Presidential debates?

    Remember the one where traveller students berated Peter Casey from the audience?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    No. I didn't. I used my money that I earned myself and paid taxes on to buy the house I want.

    Me too what is your point? I know lots of people who get state aid and free housing. Is it just you begrudge them being helped? Should we get rid of them?

    How do you feel about native tribes in forests preventing people from cutting down the forests? Should they just start living like everyone else?

    Just trying to gauge what the lines are I should be following


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Did this Joyce woman appear on one of the televised Presidential debates?

    Remember the one where traveller students berated Peter Casey from the audience?

    Was that the Late Late Show interview?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Was that the Late Late Show interview?

    It could have been actually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    It could have been actually.

    I can't remember her on it but I could he wrong!
    I remember a black haired woman and a few lads!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    More tripe.

    I don't care about their culture. What even is their 'culture'? We've already established that the seasonal farm work and hammering pots and pans is a thing of the past. Can they speak their own language anymore is there anything at all left.

    All that aside. They can do what they like as far as I'm concerned. I just don't see why I should have to pay for it. I've done it my whole life (and will until the day I die) and get nothing only grief in return.

    As for me being the same as the British I'll refer you to my previous point. I'm not trying to destroy anything. I'm actually all for them travelling the countryside, minding horses and nana instead of going to school getting an education and spending their lives in a 9-5 cubicle.

    Who's going to pay for it though Ray?

    Yes they still speak their own language. So your general argument is their culture has been so successfully destroyed they might as well give up. It doesn't bother you because you don't want to pay for it.

    Now you do pay for it and always will that's just how it goes. Whether you think something is important or not the government and the world view of such things is more developed. There is funding and it is not being spent.

    I also pointed out that your attitude is the same as the British population when the government was trying genocide of the Irish people and culture. No different you just not being self aware is a whole other issue


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