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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,271 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Division - Clear the lobby !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,851 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Might tell you how many Hard Brexiteers there really are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    I'm liking the speaker, he should be on tv more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Here we go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Unsurprisingly, the noes have it on the Baron vote - 600 to 24.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


    This is great entertainment!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    24 vs 600 :p

    Was that the unilateral end to the backstop amendment?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭CZ 453


    I thought that amendment would have far greater support from pro union folk. Why didn't it have more?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Was that the unilateral end to the backstop amendment?

    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25


    Division - Clear the lobby !

    Need to use that next time an argument erupts in the pub over football :)


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    I don't understand the UK's whole fascination with unilateral amendments to agreements.

    The whole idea of not being unilateral change mechanisms in such amendments are so one side cannot put the fast one over the other and basically one day decide it doesn't want to abide by the things it agreed to. This doesn't protect just one side, it protects both sides from pulling fast ones on the other side.

    When there is a unilateral exit mechanism it basically means that the agreement isn't worth a thing because it means any party can turn around and rip it up at any point.

    The irony is if the EU wanted to unilaterally change something the UK would cry blue murder to that. The UK just isn't used to being an equal signatory to an agreement, it always believes it should have the upper hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Yes.

    Would I be right in saying that this can be taken as showing that parliament is not bothered about not having a unilateral mechanism to leave the backstop?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,394 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Would I be right in saying that this can be taken as showing that parliament is not bothered about not having a unilateral mechanism to leave the backstop?

    If the amendment passed, despite it nullifying the WA, it would mean that May and the conservatives can say that the meaningful vote wasn't on her deal, and try to go for a second vote on the contents of her deal. Nobody wants that so I suspect this played a large part.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭Adamcp898


    Chances of Corbyn's possible no confidence call tonight resulting in a bolstering of the Tories, and then subsequent backing of May's Plan A mkII when it's put to them Friday?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,271 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    While we are waiting ... a summary
    https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/01/15/the-meaningful-vote-welcome-to-political-bandersnatch/
    Labour could try and force a general election, presumably so Jeremy Corbyn can stand on a platform of not having a position on Brexit.

    ...
    Brexit is amazing in its ability to consume everything but be completely detached from reality. The run up to today’s vote has made that even clearer. The meaningful vote is the culmination of two years’ worth of time wasting, terrible political decisions and hubris.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,271 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Ayes 202 Noes 432


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    The only way an agreement put before parliament with the arithmetic as it currently sits is accepted, is a revised deal with a customs union for the whole of the UK entered into.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,394 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Adamcp898 wrote: »
    Chances of Corbyn's possible no confidence call tonight resulting in a bolstering of the Tories, and then subsequent backing of May's Plan A mkII when it's put to them Friday?

    The DUP have already said they'd back her on a no confidence vote.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    She's lost.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,414 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Lol, carnage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,106 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://twitter.com/paullewismoney/status/1085259214644264966

    There is going to be a lot of disappointed people in this crowd. Hopefully there is no trouble outside after the vote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,394 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    So WTF now.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,593 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    230 votes in it.
    The HOC is such a zoo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Evd-Burner


    That is a very large majority!

    It is going to be a very interesting few days, I really didn't think that it would be that bad!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Big defeat there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,394 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    She's calling a no confidence herself?!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Putting it up to Corbyn now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,851 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I'd say worse even than worst predictions. TM invites Motion of Confidence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Yeah cos remainers are famous for their violence.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Infini


    WA defeated by 230 votes.


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