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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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CZ 453

I thought that amendment would have far greater support from pro union folk. Why didn't it have more?

Imreoir2

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

24 vs 600

Was that the unilateral end to the backstop amendment?

crusier

This is great entertainment!

An Ciarraioch

Unsurprisingly, the noes have it on the Baron vote - 600 to 24.

Thargor

Here we go.

RoryMac

I'm liking the speaker, he should be on tv more

Water John

Might tell you how many Hard Brexiteers there really are.

Capt'n Midnight

Division - Clear the lobby !

Imreoir2

devnull wrote: »

That's laughable that they seem to think that you can change a withdrawal agreement without the permission of the other party and still call it an agreement. Do they not know what the word agreement means?

If only our government had thought to break out the tipex before the Lisbon treaty referendum we could have saved ourselves a bit of bother.

Capt'n Midnight

24 vs 600

Hurrache

That was hammered!

Water John

Simple, amendments are voted on first. Anytime an amendment is carried it overrules the main vote which then doesn't happen.
Yes, that amendment is delusional. Typical Hard Brexiteer line.

devnull

Enzokk wrote: »

Three of the amendments have been pulled and they are voting on only one amendment now, amendment F.

That seems to be this one, I think:

Conservative MP John Baron's amendment

Gives the UK the right to terminate the Northern Ireland backstop without the agreement of the EU
Amendment backed by cross-party group of Brexiteers, including 12 Conservatives, one independent and one DUP MP.

That's laughable that they seem to think that you can change a withdrawal agreement without the permission of the other party and still call it an agreement. Do they not know what the word agreement means?

An Ciarraioch

Stetsonfrank wrote: »

I'm lost. I don't understand what's happening in hoc at the moment, will they be voting on WA or not?

Yes - result of Baron amendment vote will be known in a few minutes, they then proceed straight to the WA vote, which will give a result within 15 minutes of entering the lobbies.

Capt'n Midnight

Stetsonfrank wrote: »

I'm lost. I don't understand what's happening in hoc at the moment, will they be voting on WA or not?

Some of the amendments would break the WA. Which would make the final vote moot.

Blowfish

tuxy wrote: »

Are you saying it could be amended then voted through parliament only for the EU to not recognise it?

Yes. It's a complete farce.

Stetsonfrank

I'm lost. I don't understand what's happening in hoc at the moment, will they be voting on WA or not?

tuxy

Enzokk wrote: »

Three of the amendments have been pulled and they are voting on only one amendment now, amendment F.

That seems to be this one, I think:

Conservative MP John Baron's amendment

Gives the UK the right to terminate the Northern Ireland backstop without the agreement of the EU
Amendment backed by cross-party group of Brexiteers, including 12 Conservatives, one independent and one DUP MP.

Are you saying it could be amended then voted through parliament only for the EU to not recognise it?

Water John

Adam Bolton is right. TM was elected with one job, to get the UK through Brexit whilst keeping Parliament united. Totally failed, because she did not reach across the broad middleground in the HoC.
Withdrawal of amendments is to her defeat being the only talking point.

Enzokk

Three of the amendments have been pulled and they are voting on only one amendment now, amendment F.

That seems to be this one, I think:

Conservative MP John Baron's amendment

Gives the UK the right to terminate the Northern Ireland backstop without the agreement of the EU
Amendment backed by cross-party group of Brexiteers, including 12 Conservatives, one independent and one DUP MP.

[Deleted User]

What was the point of the amendments if they were going to be withdrawn?

gooch2k9

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They have no problem playing the only victims when it suits them. I wouldn't mind him, the DUP's days in the sun are coming to an end.

Over there aye, we'll still have to suffer here. He knows rightly the peace is a valid consideration.

EDIT: Meaningful vote result expected in around half an hour after Lab and SNP drop amendments.

FrancieBrady

tuxy wrote: »

I think his point was that the issue should not be used disingenuously by MPs to backup their position.

They have no problem playing the only victims when it suits them. I wouldn't mind him, the DUP's days in the sun are coming to an end.

Christy42

Water John wrote: »

No Deal has to be ruled out by MPs on both sides. It is criminally irresponsible.

Well yeah. They will use this vote to claim that they tried to stop it.

Meaningless muck. Entire Parliament sat on the fence at the same time.

Capt'n Midnight

lawred2 wrote: »

uuurgggh

July means 6 more months of this tiresome nonsense

Oh you poor deluded fool.

Unless the UK calls off Brexit there'll be years of trade deals with the EU and the border/backstop/customs and immigration and all the other stuff.

spacecoyote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKmE-URthsA

Full O'Brien - Rees-Mogg interview here. I think the previous link was a 6 minute cut from it

intellectual dosser

tuxy wrote: »

I think his point was that the issue should not be used disingenuously by MPs to backup their position.

Disingenuous or not its a very real part of the debate.

tuxy

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Did Dodds just demand that peace in Northern Ireland have no bearing on the debate or decisions being made throughout Brexit?

I think his point was that the issue should not be used disingenuously by MPs to backup their position.

Water John

No Deal has to be ruled out by MPs on both sides. It is criminally irresponsible.

intellectual dosser

Did Dodds just demand that peace in Northern Ireland have no bearing on the debate or decisions being made throughout Brexit?