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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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theguzman

Dissolve Parliament for a GE after Brexit day ensuring a hard Brexit crash out. Good enough for the Socialist Bigot Remain campaigners.

briany

Ouch.

Water John

Now saying she'll consult with all the leaders in the House. Should have done that over 2 years ago.

Mr.Nice Guy

Tusk comments.

Edit: didn't see it posted.

Wonder what happens next.

Adamcp898

Hurrache wrote: »

The DUP have already said they'd back her on a no confidence vote.

That's what I mean, unifies on party lines and not brexit lines, resulting in May putting forward pretty much the same deal again and having it passed

Hurrache

Tusk sitting watching the TV like the rest of us
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1085260488903090176?s=19

Evd-Burner

She's really called Corbyn out there, it's now or never for him to call a vote of no confidence. It's basically I dare you!

Enzokk

Surely a no-confidence vote has to follow now. I don't know how Tories that voted against her deal can have any confidence in her getting a new deal through at all.

Infini

WA defeated by 230 votes.

Harry Palmr

Yeah cos remainers are famous for their violence.

Water John

I'd say worse even than worst predictions. TM invites Motion of Confidence.

RoryMac

Putting it up to Corbyn now

Hurrache

She's calling a no confidence herself?!?

Captain Obvious

Big defeat there.

Evd-Burner

That is a very large majority!

It is going to be a very interesting few days, I really didn't think that it would be that bad!

Hammer Archer

230 votes in it.
The HOC is such a zoo.

Hurrache

So WTF now.

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/paullewismoney/status/1085259214644264966

There is going to be a lot of disappointed people in this crowd. Hopefully there is no trouble outside after the vote.

Atlantic Dawn

Lol, carnage.

ancapailldorcha

She's lost.

Hurrache

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Chances of Corbyn's possible no confidence call tonight resulting in a bolstering of the Tories, and then subsequent backing of May's Plan A mkII when it's put to them Friday?

The DUP have already said they'd back her on a no confidence vote.

WoollyRedHat

The only way an agreement put before parliament with the arithmetic as it currently sits is accepted, is a revised deal with a customs union for the whole of the UK entered into.

Capt'n Midnight

Ayes 202 Noes 432

Capt'n Midnight

While we are waiting ... a summary
https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/01/15/the-meaningful-vote-welcome-to-political-bandersnatch/

Labour could try and force a general election, presumably so Jeremy Corbyn can stand on a platform of not having a position on Brexit.

...
Brexit is amazing in its ability to consume everything but be completely detached from reality. The run up to today’s vote has made that even clearer. The meaningful vote is the culmination of two years’ worth of time wasting, terrible political decisions and hubris.

Adamcp898

Chances of Corbyn's possible no confidence call tonight resulting in a bolstering of the Tories, and then subsequent backing of May's Plan A mkII when it's put to them Friday?

Hurrache

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Would I be right in saying that this can be taken as showing that parliament is not bothered about not having a unilateral mechanism to leave the backstop?

If the amendment passed, despite it nullifying the WA, it would mean that May and the conservatives can say that the meaningful vote wasn't on her deal, and try to go for a second vote on the contents of her deal. Nobody wants that so I suspect this played a large part.

Imreoir2

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Yes.

Would I be right in saying that this can be taken as showing that parliament is not bothered about not having a unilateral mechanism to leave the backstop?

devnull

I don't understand the UK's whole fascination with unilateral amendments to agreements.

The whole idea of not being unilateral change mechanisms in such amendments are so one side cannot put the fast one over the other and basically one day decide it doesn't want to abide by the things it agreed to. This doesn't protect just one side, it protects both sides from pulling fast ones on the other side.

When there is a unilateral exit mechanism it basically means that the agreement isn't worth a thing because it means any party can turn around and rip it up at any point.

The irony is if the EU wanted to unilaterally change something the UK would cry blue murder to that. The UK just isn't used to being an equal signatory to an agreement, it always believes it should have the upper hand.

sjb25

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Division - Clear the lobby !

Need to use that next time an argument erupts in the pub over football

An Ciarraioch

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Was that the unilateral end to the backstop amendment?

Yes.