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Zzippy · 14-01-2019 02:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually I think she is dead right to say that and with my loose recollection of defamation standards I think she's fine in what she said.

We aren't going to push back against this wave of populism by hiding from difficult words.

Well, Waters has a history of suing for libel/slander, and the awards in this country can be ridiculous, so media outlets are rightly terrified of any whiff of defamation. I think their bottom line comes ahead of playing their role in fighting populism...

14-01-2019 03:11PM

True Detective is back with two episodes. It feels like a remake of the first season which isn't a bad thing.

14-01-2019 03:42PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Well, Waters has a history of suing for libel/slander, and the awards in this country can be ridiculous, so media outlets are rightly terrified of any whiff of defamation. I think their bottom line comes ahead of playing their role in fighting populism...

Again it's a long time since my knowledge of the relevant laws was current but I think Newstalk is fine in the situation as described. Additionally the author of the statement can say that someone is racist in their opinion and similarly that's an adequate defence in many circumstances.

Waters might take a case because he's clearly lost his mind. O'Doherty might initiate an action for a pay off, but if it went to court then all her previous comments get to form the basis of an argument that she is racist. It would be very risky and a potentially streisandesque move on her part.

Deleted User wrote: »

True Detective is back with two episodes. It feels like a remake of the first season which isn't a bad thing.

Contrary to general opinion I liked season 2. It wasn't perfect but it was still an enjoyable serial and better than an awful lot else on the TV.

Season 1 was fantastic, one of the most enjoyable and surprising TV events in recent years.

errlloyd · 14-01-2019 03:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Contrary to general opinion I liked season 2. It wasn't perfect but it was still an enjoyable serial and better than an awful lot else on the TV.

Season 1 was fantastic, one of the most enjoyable and surprising TV events in recent years.

I think "season 2 was all right" is a generally accepted statement. Looking forward to sitting down with Season 3 tonight though.

Squidgy Black · 14-01-2019 03:48PM

Newstalk are absolutely fine in that regard, they can't be held responsible for an outside source making a statement on a live radio show that isn't pre-screened.

Defamation/libel cases against an individual are a different kettle of fish, and are a complete shot at nothing trying to make them stick. Especially when it's just an off the cuff verbal statement, if they were involved in a campaign to slander the person incl publishing it through multiple outlets it's a different story.

Buer · 14-01-2019 03:54PM

I wouldn't have thought Newstalk would be in any trouble at all. They can't control a one off inverviewee and made immediate attempts to defuse the situation. If anything, I'd have thought that the accused would seek legal input for any potential recourse against the individual.

I don't think anything will come of it, noise at most. It was just humourous to see Newstalk squirm so quickly with the bonus of GOD/Waters getting called out publicly for their actions.

14-01-2019 04:18PM

Buer wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought Newstalk would be in any trouble at all. They can't control a one off inverviewee and made immediate attempts to defuse the situation. If anything, I'd have thought that the accused would seek legal input for any potential recourse against the individual.

I don't think anything will come of it, noise at most. It was just humourous to see Newstalk squirm so quickly with the bonus of GOD/Waters getting called out publicly for their actions.

I doubt anything will come of it either. O'Doherty deserves it all and more so a part of me hopes she pipes up and makes things worse for herself.

Watters though whilst detestable is clearly in a diminished mental state and I think a responsible media would deny him any platform for his own sake.

They already have in many ways.

sydthebeat · 15-01-2019 09:44AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I doubt anything will come of it either. O'Doherty deserves it all and more so a part of me hopes she pipes up and makes things worse for herself.

Watters though whilst detestable is clearly in a diminished mental state and I think a responsible media would deny him any platform for his own sake.

They already have in many ways.

Newstalk just broadcasted a strong apology to waters and o doherty

Dave_The_Sheep · 15-01-2019 09:49AM

Snivelling is the word I'd use.

Squidgy Black · 15-01-2019 10:07AM

The Luas website is still down and hasn't been fully restored, two weeks after the initial attack.

I feel bad for the poor intern who must be stuck with it.

Buer · 15-01-2019 10:09AM

I've no doubt there was some form of communication from a legal representative within a few hours yesterday. Newstalk just covering themselves which is fair enough.

Anyone with half a brain can look at Gemma O'Doherty's Twitter feed and make up their own mind, though.

thomond2006 · 15-01-2019 10:12AM

Buer wrote: »

Anyone with half a brain can look at Gemma O'Doherty's Twitter feed and make up their own mind, though.

Was she always like this? I only heard of her in the last year.

Buer · 15-01-2019 10:25AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Was she always like this? I only heard of her in the last year.

She was strongly opinionated and forthright in her journalism but she didn't come up with the madness that she has spouted over the past 1-2 years. That could be down to the fact that she was operating within a national publication who would have kept her on a leash and steered her towards the more palatable and reasonable stories/approaches. She did have the opinion that fluoride in the water was causing cancer whilst she was still with INM but that pales in comparison to what she has come out with since.

She has completely gone off script in the past few years. Aside from the nationalistic, right wing rhetoric that she has come up with of late, she has questioned vaccines and made some very serious claims about multiple murder cases involving the state and cover ups. I'm sure there are a number of of other claims that aren't as fresh in my mind.

15-01-2019 12:06PM

How did you all go about picking a name for your kids? My wife and I are having a really hard time of it and we only have a week to go.

b.gud · 15-01-2019 12:09PM

Addison Yummy Fashion wrote: »

How did you all go about picking a name for your kids? My wife and I are having a really hard time of it and we only have a week to go.

We a picked a name after she was born and then changed it the next morning to one we felt worked better

Buer · 15-01-2019 12:28PM

Addison Yummy Fashion wrote: »

How did you all go about picking a name for your kids? My wife and I are having a really hard time of it and we only have a week to go.

An angel appeared and spoke "Hark, you shall sire a son. He shall be loud and defiant. He shall refute all logic. You shall name him after the mod....the one you call awec".

True story.

We had two names for our daughter...when she arrived we felt one was more suitable than the other.

I think we made a shortlist of our preferred names, compared them, revised our lists and then saw which ones were common to the two lists. Things got narrowed down pretty rapidly. You will love a name which your other half will think is f*cking ridicuolous.

You won't be sure about the names either when you give them but a month later, you won't be able to imagine them being called anything else.

15-01-2019 12:38PM

We have an added complication of wanting a name that sound mostly the same in her native language as it does in English. There are a good few to pick from but nothing that we really want.

We have a short list from that. But nothing is really a firm yes yet

swiwi_ · 15-01-2019 12:41PM

Addison Yummy Fashion wrote: »

How did you all go about picking a name for your kids? My wife and I are having a really hard time of it and we only have a week to go.

Your username doesn’t really inspire confidence when it comes to making a decision...

awec · 15-01-2019 12:50PM

We bought a baby name book and narrowed it down to 2 or 3 names for each gender.

Then when our daughter was born we felt one was just right.

We thought it was relatively unique, but it seems it was one of the most popular names last year.

troyzer · 15-01-2019 12:50PM

awec wrote: »

We bought a baby name book and narrowed it down to 2 or 3 names for each gender.

Then when our daughter was born we felt one was just right.

We thought it was relatively unique, but it seems it was one of the most popular names last year.

Isn't a baby name book just a name book?

awec · 15-01-2019 12:51PM

troyzer wrote: »

Isn't a baby name book just a name book?

I am not an expert in this area.

Paul Smeenus · 15-01-2019 12:56PM

We came up with the name for the first one, changed it the day after they were born. By the time we'd a third, we just let the eldest one pick a name.

troyzer · 15-01-2019 12:58PM

awec wrote: »

I am not an expert in this area.

I've always wondered this.

thomond2006 · 15-01-2019 01:49PM

awec wrote: »

I am not an expert in this area.

Nothing is your area, awec. You do not have an area. Unless it is some sort of play area, with sandcastles, and buckets, and spades! Now do what you're told, right?!

mfceiling · 15-01-2019 02:15PM

Addison Yummy Fashion wrote: »

How did you all go about picking a name for your kids? My wife and I are having a really hard time of it and we only have a week to go.

First one I liked a girl's name from a Beatles song so that was easy.
Second was a name I liked after a very elderly neighbour lady who lived beside us years ago and also a very famous Tom Waits song. People always comment on it being a lovely name (very old fashioned but I liked it).
Third....I'm not pushed as I got my choices for the 1st two.

As the lads have said you will pick the name and it will be the right one.

If you are a teacher you must name your child a ridiculous irish name meaning "valley of the beautiful angels"....with extra fadas.

Zzippy · 15-01-2019 02:45PM

mfceiling wrote: »

First one I liked a girl's name from a Beatles song so that was easy.
Second was a name I liked after a very elderly neighbour lady who lived beside us years ago and also a very famous Tom Waits song. People always comment on it being a lovely name (very old fashioned but I liked it).
Third....I'm not pushed as I got my choices for the 1st two.

As the lads have said you will pick the name and it will be the right one.

If you are a teacher you must name your child a ridiculous irish name meaning "valley of the beautiful angels"....with extra fadas.

Martha? Great tune...

We narrowed it down to 4/5 boys names and the same for girls, while in the labour room we narrowed it down again, and when baby was born (a boy) one just seemed right. Second baby we did the same but couldn't agree until the following day on one.

sydthebeat · 15-01-2019 02:56PM

no 3 was named after a grandparent
no 4 was named after a drive in rural parts of galway and we came across the the name in a few different areas and liked it
no 5 was discovered reading old irish mytholoy stories

all three names are simple 4 lettered names

15-01-2019 03:11PM

We spent very little time picking names we both liked that were relatively straight forward.

If our children want to be exceptional or unique they can decide that for themselves, we gave them both Irish names that will allow them to blend in. I generally feel sorry for kids whose parents went out of their way to be different.

Buer · 15-01-2019 04:01PM

Am I reading things right?

Syd, do you have 5 kids? Fix the TV for f*ck sake!

Rigor Mortis · 15-01-2019 04:15PM

Addison Yummy Fashion wrote: »

How did you all go about picking a name for your kids? My wife and I are having a really hard time of it and we only have a week to go.

On child one, we decided wife picks girls name and husband picks boys.

One child two, We each made a list of names. Went for dinner the night before the due date and swapped lists. We had two names in common on the lists.

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